JAA ATPL
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JAA ATPL
Any Canadians working in Europe know what the requirements for transferring a Canadian ATPL to the new JAA ATPL is? Is it true that this procedure becomes siginificantly easier if you have 1500 hours on FAR/JAR 25 a/c? Are there any companies in the UK who will hire somebody subject to them obtaining a JAA ATPL? and can a sim ride for a type rating count as an ATPL ride?
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i have been informed that passing 3 of the six atp tech exams by years end buys you some time to complete a uk atp. from there it can be converted to a jar atp. the caa also stated that they will be making another ruling on this by nov 15.
i have also been informed that a type rating sim can count as your ride towards your atp-just like in the states. not 100% sure, would like to get a firm answer on that one myself.
have also been informed by another pilot that 1500 pic on something over 30,000kg allows for only the writing of an air law exam, possibly one other???
give the caa a call:
01 202 579 819
from canada:
011 44 1202 579 819
time is of the essence
markus
i have also been informed that a type rating sim can count as your ride towards your atp-just like in the states. not 100% sure, would like to get a firm answer on that one myself.
have also been informed by another pilot that 1500 pic on something over 30,000kg allows for only the writing of an air law exam, possibly one other???
give the caa a call:
01 202 579 819
from canada:
011 44 1202 579 819
time is of the essence
markus
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Your comments seem to suggest that getting a JAA ATPL will be more difficult than getting an CAA ATPL.
Do you know if there is anywhere in Canada where you can write CAA exams?
My understanding is that 1500 hrs (PIC or SIC) on anything that's FAR 25 which is pretty much everything over 12,500 lbs (with some exceptions) qualifies.
Do you know if there is anywhere in Canada where you can write CAA exams?
My understanding is that 1500 hrs (PIC or SIC) on anything that's FAR 25 which is pretty much everything over 12,500 lbs (with some exceptions) qualifies.
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Gate dude... That has been my understanding too I just have not been able to verify that yet.
For commercial validation
1000 PIC or SIC in airline ops in a 2 crew A/C ( accord. to typecert. Or ops reqs. )
FAR25 A/C.
For ATPL validation
1500 PIC or SIC Requirments as above.
I have been trying to verify this as well as would that validation be issued permanently for EU citizens ???? and some more ????
JJ
For commercial validation
1000 PIC or SIC in airline ops in a 2 crew A/C ( accord. to typecert. Or ops reqs. )
FAR25 A/C.
For ATPL validation
1500 PIC or SIC Requirments as above.
I have been trying to verify this as well as would that validation be issued permanently for EU citizens ???? and some more ????
JJ
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Well I figured I'd answer my own question so I called the CAA and PPSC, a flight training centre in the UK.
at the moment if you want to get a JAA ATPL you get no credit for any non-EU license unless you have:
- 3000 hours PIC on aircraft with a MTOW of > 30,000 kgs (66,000 lbs)
- 1500 hours flying public transport, INTERNATIONAL flights
If you don't have this, you have to write 14 exams and do a Multi-IFR flight test. The exams are:
- Air Law
- Human Performance
- Meteorology
- General Navigation
- Radio Navigation
- Communication
- Aircraft general knowledge
- Instrumentation
- mass and balance
- Performance
- Planning
- Ops Procedures
- Principles of Flight
only 13 listed, must've missed one when she was reading them to me over the phone.
the exams are multiple choice and 1-2 hours each.
Anyways...you cannot just study by yourself for these exams and then write them, you must take JAA approved courses. PPSC offers home study courses followed by refreshers for a total cost of almost 2000 pounds.
These requirements are for ALL non-EU licenses. However the JAA is currently in negotiations with the FAA, transport Canada, and probably others with regards to all sorts of stuff, so it is possible that this could change, although I wouldn't count on it becoming too much easier.
The good news? You can get a one year temporary validation of your license if you have:
- 1500 hours flying public transport on an aircraft requiring 2 crew.
- an offer of employment from a company in Europe
Of course after that year you're screwed if you haven't got the full license by then.
Any and all contributions to my phone bill will be graciously accepted
[This message has been edited by Gate Crasher (edited 09 November 1999).]
at the moment if you want to get a JAA ATPL you get no credit for any non-EU license unless you have:
- 3000 hours PIC on aircraft with a MTOW of > 30,000 kgs (66,000 lbs)
- 1500 hours flying public transport, INTERNATIONAL flights
If you don't have this, you have to write 14 exams and do a Multi-IFR flight test. The exams are:
- Air Law
- Human Performance
- Meteorology
- General Navigation
- Radio Navigation
- Communication
- Aircraft general knowledge
- Instrumentation
- mass and balance
- Performance
- Planning
- Ops Procedures
- Principles of Flight
only 13 listed, must've missed one when she was reading them to me over the phone.
the exams are multiple choice and 1-2 hours each.
Anyways...you cannot just study by yourself for these exams and then write them, you must take JAA approved courses. PPSC offers home study courses followed by refreshers for a total cost of almost 2000 pounds.
These requirements are for ALL non-EU licenses. However the JAA is currently in negotiations with the FAA, transport Canada, and probably others with regards to all sorts of stuff, so it is possible that this could change, although I wouldn't count on it becoming too much easier.
The good news? You can get a one year temporary validation of your license if you have:
- 1500 hours flying public transport on an aircraft requiring 2 crew.
- an offer of employment from a company in Europe
Of course after that year you're screwed if you haven't got the full license by then.
Any and all contributions to my phone bill will be graciously accepted
[This message has been edited by Gate Crasher (edited 09 November 1999).]
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Gate Crasher...
I know it's not in Canada (which is hwta you asked) but consider e-mailing West Michigan University (web site somewhere - something obvious like 'www.wmu.edu').
They are just the other side of the lake and they do (or at least DID) the full range of CAA written exams.
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I know it's not in Canada (which is hwta you asked) but consider e-mailing West Michigan University (web site somewhere - something obvious like 'www.wmu.edu').
They are just the other side of the lake and they do (or at least DID) the full range of CAA written exams.
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Here is the WMU website. I just sent them an email and will post the reply when I get one.
http://www.aviation.wmich.edu/home.html
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http://www.aviation.wmich.edu/home.html
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