Current job market in Canada, are things good for new pilots?
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Current job market in Canada, are things good for new pilots?
Just wondering what the current job market is like for new pilots in Canada and if there are any predicted demands for the next few years. I know it's not as good as Europe but does anyone think things will change?
Coming from the U.K, there seems to be a huge difference in the circumstances of pilots seeking their first job, with 200 hour pilots going straight to jets in the U.K being commonplace, compared to Canada where a gradual build up of hours and experience is achieved over several years before hitting the regional carriers. I won't get into the debate of which is better, but would like to know what peoples thoughts are on this, or if anyone has any inside information on future requirements.
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Coming from the U.K, there seems to be a huge difference in the circumstances of pilots seeking their first job, with 200 hour pilots going straight to jets in the U.K being commonplace, compared to Canada where a gradual build up of hours and experience is achieved over several years before hitting the regional carriers. I won't get into the debate of which is better, but would like to know what peoples thoughts are on this, or if anyone has any inside information on future requirements.
Thanks.
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Generally you need alot more time to get on with an airline in Canada than in the UK. Im a national of both countries currently living in Canada. I could have got a job with Easyjet/ryanair etc years ago with my experience but only just now am getting the same in Canada.
Canada is a great place to live but the wages are alot less and the prospects for pilots are MUCH less here than in the UK/Europe. There are alot of jobs here but you will need at leat 1500-2000 hours to be considered by Jazz, 2500-3500 to be considered by Air Canada, and 3500+ to be considered by Westjet. Also, the cost of living in Vancouver and Toronto is very similiar to that of many places in the UK like Southampton (used to live there so I can make the comparison)
There are very few 200 hours jobs here compared to the 1500 hour jobs. I think Alberta is your best bet for 200 hour jobs and you might get FO on a kingair.
Hope that helps
Canada is a great place to live but the wages are alot less and the prospects for pilots are MUCH less here than in the UK/Europe. There are alot of jobs here but you will need at leat 1500-2000 hours to be considered by Jazz, 2500-3500 to be considered by Air Canada, and 3500+ to be considered by Westjet. Also, the cost of living in Vancouver and Toronto is very similiar to that of many places in the UK like Southampton (used to live there so I can make the comparison)
There are very few 200 hours jobs here compared to the 1500 hour jobs. I think Alberta is your best bet for 200 hour jobs and you might get FO on a kingair.
Hope that helps
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I just got back from a road trip in Ontario - going through Thunder Bay et al - and while I generally recieved very good information from all the operators I visited, the story was pretty much the same...come back with 1000tt and 100 multi and we will look at you. With 500tt I was told by friends at the King Air/MU-2 level that I was in a good position for at least right seat, but it seems anything less than 1000tt gets you a ramp job still - but then I could just be in the wrong part of the country at the wrong time...par for course.
Ive heard the rumour mill that Alberta is pretty hot at the moment, but have not had any luck with the email/fax/snail mail/phone call thing, so it seems that if you have the money to go out there you may bag a job (confirm/deny?). Also Atlantic Canada seems to have numerous postings for positions, and then there is always Yellowknife.
Ive heard the rumour mill that Alberta is pretty hot at the moment, but have not had any luck with the email/fax/snail mail/phone call thing, so it seems that if you have the money to go out there you may bag a job (confirm/deny?). Also Atlantic Canada seems to have numerous postings for positions, and then there is always Yellowknife.
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Jazz recruiting pilots.....
Jazz have just posted this advert for pilots today:
http://www.flightglobal.com/jobs/job...--10206466.htm
http://www.flightglobal.com/jobs/job...--10206466.htm
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The French language ability is not a requirement, it is on the list of things 'considered an asset' like the jet & turbine experience, as far as language requirements go, only fluency in English is stated:
In order to be considered for employment pilots must meet certain basic criteria:
• possess a Canadian Airline Transport Pilot's License (ATPL);
• have a minimum of 1,500 hours fixed wing flight experience ;
• hold a valid Transport Canada Class 1 Instrument Rating;
• hold a valid Transport Canada Class 1 Medical;
• must be able to obtain an Airport Restricted Area Access Clearance (i.e. security pass);
• hold a current passport and any additional visa documentation required to operate aircraft within the USA;
have completed a High School diploma;
• fluency in English
• be legally entitled to work in Canada.
These qualifications will be considered an asset:
• turbine engine experience;
• jet experience;
• heavy aircraft (i.e. greater than 12,500 lbs. MTOW) experience;
• post secondary education; and
• multi-engine IFR experience
• French language ability.
• computer knowledge.
In order to be considered for employment pilots must meet certain basic criteria:
• possess a Canadian Airline Transport Pilot's License (ATPL);
• have a minimum of 1,500 hours fixed wing flight experience ;
• hold a valid Transport Canada Class 1 Instrument Rating;
• hold a valid Transport Canada Class 1 Medical;
• must be able to obtain an Airport Restricted Area Access Clearance (i.e. security pass);
• hold a current passport and any additional visa documentation required to operate aircraft within the USA;
have completed a High School diploma;
• fluency in English
• be legally entitled to work in Canada.
These qualifications will be considered an asset:
• turbine engine experience;
• jet experience;
• heavy aircraft (i.e. greater than 12,500 lbs. MTOW) experience;
• post secondary education; and
• multi-engine IFR experience
• French language ability.
• computer knowledge.
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Thats very intersting info about jazz, im going to canada now in jan 08 for start training looks like ill have to brush up on french ,
I say the PIC hours could varey over the next year for requirements from what ive heard ,
alot more jobs being made avail in canada and less PIC hours required
I say the PIC hours could varey over the next year for requirements from what ive heard ,
alot more jobs being made avail in canada and less PIC hours required
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Airline Job Market In Canada lolz
What are you all talking about, there is no job market in Canada for airlines. your ither layed off or let go, Canada doesnt have a well established airline industry your best bet for top pay and long hours is the USA. Ive worked air canada for 2 years and was let go as cabin crew and french to them sorry is a must. Whether or not they say asset for air canada jazz you have to speak french. If Canada is where you must live because it is so great up here then take the time to get over 3500+ hours in the air to go for westjet or sunwing.
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What are you all talking about, there is no job market in Canada for airlines. your ither layed off or let go, Canada doesnt have a well established airline industry your best bet for top pay and long hours is the USA. Ive worked air canada for 2 years and was let go as cabin crew and french to them sorry is a must. Whether or not they say asset for air canada jazz you have to speak french. If Canada is where you must live because it is so great up here then take the time to get over 3500+ hours in the air to go for westjet or sunwing.
At the moment, all Jazz and AC crews has been recalled and Jazz, Westjet and AC are all hiring. This is not to say that things won't change at some point. However, the industry in Canada is doing pretty well at the moment.
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DJRC,
I think the Europe cenario is more desireable. I would rather pound around on in a 737/320/Emb than a King Air or Navajo or some twin prop. Thats not to say those jobs aren't fun, but driving the previous in my experience was more fun and more rewarding. Not to mention its just plain more valuable in the log books.
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I think the Europe cenario is more desireable. I would rather pound around on in a 737/320/Emb than a King Air or Navajo or some twin prop. Thats not to say those jobs aren't fun, but driving the previous in my experience was more fun and more rewarding. Not to mention its just plain more valuable in the log books.
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I call BS on the "money is in the states". Have a look at the hourly rates for the US legacy carriers vs Air Canada. Air Canada makes as much or more than any of the legacy carriers on the top end (777 vs 340 vs 747-400). The french thing is also incorrect. The vast majority of the pilots currently being hired don't speak french.
