Flying as FO without type rating?
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Flying as FO without type rating?
Hi!
I'm just about to move up to Edmonton, hoping to get a job as a FO on a turboprop.
I'm just wondering if it's required by the CAR to type all FO's flying commercially as SIC on equipment like King Air's / B1900's? I've got a B1900 SIC type from the US, but from what I understand that doesn't help me anything at all up in Canada. I've talked to a couple of companies up there and they were talking about type rating even though it was a FO postion. Just nice to know if the Canadian regs are different than the US concerning TR's
Any tips about companies in the Edmonton area that's hiring low hour FO's right now would also be very much appreciated.
I don't know how the market is up there right now - or if I've got a chance at all with my hours (450hrs TT with 350hrs ME - 280hrs B1900)?
Thanks!
- Christian
I'm just about to move up to Edmonton, hoping to get a job as a FO on a turboprop.
I'm just wondering if it's required by the CAR to type all FO's flying commercially as SIC on equipment like King Air's / B1900's? I've got a B1900 SIC type from the US, but from what I understand that doesn't help me anything at all up in Canada. I've talked to a couple of companies up there and they were talking about type rating even though it was a FO postion. Just nice to know if the Canadian regs are different than the US concerning TR's
Any tips about companies in the Edmonton area that's hiring low hour FO's right now would also be very much appreciated.
I don't know how the market is up there right now - or if I've got a chance at all with my hours (450hrs TT with 350hrs ME - 280hrs B1900)?
Thanks!
- Christian
cegeland:
To a certain extent this comes down to semantics, but there are some differences from what you're accustomed to in the US. In Canada, commercial air carrier pilots need two qualifications when flying large aeroplanes or high performance acft types. You need a type rating which qualifies you on the aircraft, and you need a PPC (pilot proficiency check) which qualifies you as a pilot for that carrier in the designated seat, using the company's designated SOPs. There are PPCs which are specific to Captain and FO, but there is no such thing as an FO type rating here in Canada. While a company can designate you as a first officer and you can do your training and check in the right seat, there is only one type rating (i.e. we all get the same annotation on our licence when we get a type rating). If the type is on your licence, that means you can fly as a Captain without doing another type rating check (you would need another PPC though). Where it gets confusing is that in practice, a type rating check ride and a PPC check ride are essentially the same thing. The difference is that a type rating is only needed once for each aircraft type, whereas a PPC is needed either once or twice a year to maintain currency, and is usually (but not always) needed when you change companies, even if you're flying the same type.
Hope this helps.
Jeff
To a certain extent this comes down to semantics, but there are some differences from what you're accustomed to in the US. In Canada, commercial air carrier pilots need two qualifications when flying large aeroplanes or high performance acft types. You need a type rating which qualifies you on the aircraft, and you need a PPC (pilot proficiency check) which qualifies you as a pilot for that carrier in the designated seat, using the company's designated SOPs. There are PPCs which are specific to Captain and FO, but there is no such thing as an FO type rating here in Canada. While a company can designate you as a first officer and you can do your training and check in the right seat, there is only one type rating (i.e. we all get the same annotation on our licence when we get a type rating). If the type is on your licence, that means you can fly as a Captain without doing another type rating check (you would need another PPC though). Where it gets confusing is that in practice, a type rating check ride and a PPC check ride are essentially the same thing. The difference is that a type rating is only needed once for each aircraft type, whereas a PPC is needed either once or twice a year to maintain currency, and is usually (but not always) needed when you change companies, even if you're flying the same type.
Hope this helps.
Jeff
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check out touch aviation recruiting...they're hiring dudes for Paris and Dubai w/ 500TT/300ME, B1900 type to fly freight in Dubai/Paris...or lookup Falcon Express on here (www.feca.bz)
