Which Canadian Carrier Would You Wanna Fly For?
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Wow buddy, your reaction is kind of over the top. You think? Do you feel better now? Bitter? I think you're contradicting yourself. How can I be so happy at AC that I'm bitter?. I simply started out making a point that the thread was hijacked and next thing I know the AC bashers(including yourself) come out in full force. I knew there were losers out there, I didn't know it was such an epidemic. Bitter? No. Sorry might be a better word. Next time I'll just let you guys say whatever you want if that's what makes you feel reassured you did the right thing. If it helps to let it out, go right ahead.
P.S. No Daddy didn't get me in. Long term planning, hard work, and the right decisions did. Just like you.
Wow buddy, your reaction is kind of over the top. You think? Do you feel better now? Bitter? I think you're contradicting yourself. How can I be so happy at AC that I'm bitter?. I simply started out making a point that the thread was hijacked and next thing I know the AC bashers(including yourself) come out in full force. I knew there were losers out there, I didn't know it was such an epidemic. Bitter? No. Sorry might be a better word. Next time I'll just let you guys say whatever you want if that's what makes you feel reassured you did the right thing. If it helps to let it out, go right ahead.
P.S. No Daddy didn't get me in. Long term planning, hard work, and the right decisions did. Just like you.
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The best?
S-angus post really got my interest.
I know he comes from a family of fine pilot's and he, most likely, is one too. Seems to me though that he may be a bit 'wet behind the ears'. I'll tell you something I said on another forum many years ago and that is: "The minute you start thinking you're so 'Sierra Hotel' you better start watching your backside because something is about to come up and bite it real hard"! I'm speaking from 42 years in aviation and think I learned that very early on. Think back to the time you just knew you were going to 'grease' this one on and, wow, did it bang on! Young man, you are among the best, no doubt, but Air Canada doesn't have an exclusive club of 'the best'. West Jet, Skyservice, Air Tansat etc. all have fine pilots. When you think of the 'best' you have to look at Canadian pilot's in general. There is a lot of repect in the world for them. I had the honour of representing Canadians at IATA meetings around the world and was very proud that we stood out among the rest. Canada did not have to take a backseat in the standards of our pilot's.
I was around when there was a lot of hiring at AC and we weren't perfect in our choices all the time. Many who didn't make our hiring went on to have great careers with other airlines.
I hope I haven't hurt your feelings but I wanted you to step back and have a look at another perspective.
I know he comes from a family of fine pilot's and he, most likely, is one too. Seems to me though that he may be a bit 'wet behind the ears'. I'll tell you something I said on another forum many years ago and that is: "The minute you start thinking you're so 'Sierra Hotel' you better start watching your backside because something is about to come up and bite it real hard"! I'm speaking from 42 years in aviation and think I learned that very early on. Think back to the time you just knew you were going to 'grease' this one on and, wow, did it bang on! Young man, you are among the best, no doubt, but Air Canada doesn't have an exclusive club of 'the best'. West Jet, Skyservice, Air Tansat etc. all have fine pilots. When you think of the 'best' you have to look at Canadian pilot's in general. There is a lot of repect in the world for them. I had the honour of representing Canadians at IATA meetings around the world and was very proud that we stood out among the rest. Canada did not have to take a backseat in the standards of our pilot's.
I was around when there was a lot of hiring at AC and we weren't perfect in our choices all the time. Many who didn't make our hiring went on to have great careers with other airlines.
I hope I haven't hurt your feelings but I wanted you to step back and have a look at another perspective.
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AC the best??
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Another typical ACPA pilot!
Wow that ACPA disease travels fast over there. Make sure you step back and not take for granted the job you have, and the attitude of "how AC are the best". What comes around goes around, so I would jump off your high horse and watch what you say. Its people like you that set reputations of pilots and you are being added to that pile of pilots at Air Canada. Word travels fast in this industry. Trust me, been it for over 12 years. This thread is showing how unprofessional you are!
Another typical ACPA pilot!
Wow that ACPA disease travels fast over there. Make sure you step back and not take for granted the job you have, and the attitude of "how AC are the best". What comes around goes around, so I would jump off your high horse and watch what you say. Its people like you that set reputations of pilots and you are being added to that pile of pilots at Air Canada. Word travels fast in this industry. Trust me, been it for over 12 years. This thread is showing how unprofessional you are!
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Been in it for 12 years? Wow, congrats. That's some accomplishment. That means that when I did my first solo you were eating Pablum baby jars. I guess now a days that makes you a real pro, eh? You f**kn little dipsh*t. Hey buddy, AC isn't everything. It ain't the best. We are just like you. OK? You want the best? Go overseas. No wait, go work for WJ. You probably already do. That's where it's at, baby. And then write us back to tell us how good you have it.
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“Speaking as a third generation Air Canada pilot, I can honestly say we only hire the best, and whoever we didn't hire, its because they didn't make the grade.”
Funny. I was just talking to crew sked and were talking about the folks you are taking from us. And it seems you are taking a fair amount from the “difficult” column. Your attitude makes me smile due to some of the people I have personally seen taken on by your great organization. One comes to mind who during lineindock was giving static to the training captain, and there after wrecking the AC not once but three times. So keep one swallowing the red Cool Air there buddy. And try to get out some more will ya.
Funny. I was just talking to crew sked and were talking about the folks you are taking from us. And it seems you are taking a fair amount from the “difficult” column. Your attitude makes me smile due to some of the people I have personally seen taken on by your great organization. One comes to mind who during lineindock was giving static to the training captain, and there after wrecking the AC not once but three times. So keep one swallowing the red Cool Air there buddy. And try to get out some more will ya.
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Very Professional
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Actually don't work for WJ and once again, you make us proud at how professional you are.
I'm not sure why you are taking this so personal, reading back at all the reply's, this just started as a question and all of sudden we have guys with their backs up and slammin people left right and center.
When it comes down to it, we all do the same job, just for different companies and different aircraft. We all love to fly. So take it easy man!
Actually don't work for WJ and once again, you make us proud at how professional you are.
I'm not sure why you are taking this so personal, reading back at all the reply's, this just started as a question and all of sudden we have guys with their backs up and slammin people left right and center.
When it comes down to it, we all do the same job, just for different companies and different aircraft. We all love to fly. So take it easy man!
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Yes, more popcorn and bring some Kool Aid while you're at it..seems that the other two first generation AC pilots obviously didn't drink enough.....this is genuine entertainment.....only in Canada boys, only in Canada!!
By the way, I guess Harmony is one less Canadian airline to work for....see a pattern here!? Something like if it ain't Red, it's Dead....
I better just continue with the rest of the "sub standard" aviators....
RWTY
By the way, I guess Harmony is one less Canadian airline to work for....see a pattern here!? Something like if it ain't Red, it's Dead....
I better just continue with the rest of the "sub standard" aviators....
RWTY
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AC is an airline like any other airline. Lots of people work there. That means lots of different characters. I find it funny how a thread gets hijacked with the ego of some expats but when someone calls them on it, it's the old "AC arrogance" routine. This forum provides us all with good info. When you intervene and try to change the subject, you are only serving you own ego, which led me to react the way I did. I fear for this industry because of this. "It's all about me" has to be replaced "with it's all about us". Maybe we're just too quick to draw to conclusions. I'm just as much to blame because I stated my case the way I did. As pilots, we should know better. What started out as a thread about Canadian aviation soon turned into an expat's info forum. We have seen this on this forum before. Expats telling us how great they have it. Fine, start a thread on it. There were other ways of doing this but they took the "look at me" road and then the AC minority got blamed for the arrogance (with some merrit after reading a certain post). Thank God the many bad characters that make up the airlines are only minorities. I believe most companies have mostly good people with good intent. Too bad this thread was hijacked though and my theory was shot to hell. Cheers.
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My guess is you almost have a choice, you get a local call and make slow move making peanuts in Canada with a local company, or you take short cuts go overseas fly big jet, live overseas with big money retire back home if you can....
I may never retired so I'd prefer the beer drinking with my extended family, hunting deers, railing walleyes making the 11 of November, the 1st of July and the 14 Juillet a normal ritual no mater what happens, i wont take it in the grave anyways, i love Canada, I AM CANADIAN (born in France).....
I could have been captain on a 737 if I wanted to, but my job is a job not my life... I work to live not the other way around.... I made a retired 747 driver cried when I told him he ****** his life big time.....He was a CX driver lost his wife, kids cut of his sister and by the time he "made it " his parent were gone.... and he was alone... Good luck.
I'd rather fly a Navajo here than a 777 there...
I may never retired so I'd prefer the beer drinking with my extended family, hunting deers, railing walleyes making the 11 of November, the 1st of July and the 14 Juillet a normal ritual no mater what happens, i wont take it in the grave anyways, i love Canada, I AM CANADIAN (born in France).....
I could have been captain on a 737 if I wanted to, but my job is a job not my life... I work to live not the other way around.... I made a retired 747 driver cried when I told him he ****** his life big time.....He was a CX driver lost his wife, kids cut of his sister and by the time he "made it " his parent were gone.... and he was alone... Good luck.
I'd rather fly a Navajo here than a 777 there...
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Just wanted to say if any non canadian was to read this thread he would definetely tell his government to invade. Divide and conquer is easy from the looks of it. Down right embarrassing. We are all part of a professional group AC/WJ and everyone else most people tend to forget this in the struggle to become successful. We all chat about helping each other out but a few sour words and we are at each other. No wonder the wages are so low cause most of us would do it to get ahead. Guys PLEASE grwo up. I don not care if u have 60yrs in this industry that doesn't mean u have learned how to conduct yourself as a professional on here atleast. My 17 yr old nephew has more COMMUNICATION skills than this thread.
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TonySoprano? I must be missing something...
bzh.
"My guess is you almost have a choice, you get a local call and make slow move making peanuts in Canada with a local company, or you take short cuts go overseas fly big jet, live overseas with big money retire back home if you can...."
That pretty much sums it all up.
TonySoprano? I must be missing something...
bzh.
"My guess is you almost have a choice, you get a local call and make slow move making peanuts in Canada with a local company, or you take short cuts go overseas fly big jet, live overseas with big money retire back home if you can...."
That pretty much sums it all up.
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I just want to thank Brucelee. I am a proud Air Canada pilot, and I think it about time Air Canada is recognized for what it is; the best.
Speaking as a third generation Air Canada pilot, I can honestly say we only hire the best, and whoever we didn't hire, its because they didn't make the grade.
Anyone who doesn't work for us is a jealous washout.
Speaking as a third generation Air Canada pilot, I can honestly say we only hire the best, and whoever we didn't hire, its because they didn't make the grade.
Anyone who doesn't work for us is a jealous washout.
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geezz guys. can everybody just cut the crap! 'nuff with the BS already.
We should be helping each other out, giving advices, supporting, and treating each other with respect. What's with the competition lately? It looks to me like we are willing to do whatever it takes just to get ahead of others and make it to the top list.....then start a thread in here saying how much better pilot you are from the rest.
believe me, the amount of professional pilots has unimaginably decreased throughout the years. That sense of professionalism, and admiration I felt back when i was a kid, and saw them wearing a uniform is no longer present.
In today's world we see pilots complaining about wearing uniforms at certain colleges, we see guys like brucelee, with no respect whatsoever for anyone. Pilots were a completely different kind of people in the 70's and 80's, very polite, professional, admired, respected and well educated. Now all they do is complain about the money, their schedule, and how much "for worst" the industry has changed.
Well...you guys have also changed....and a lot....not exactly for good.
Complain about going to certain schools that offer degrees or for some other reasons requires the student to stay for longer to finish off. I know of guys with 60% overall wanting to be a pilot....this shouldn't be allowed. marks are only one of the many things that have affected the quality of today's pilot, and I mean my generation of pilots.
being 18 years old, and an immigrant has given me enough "experience" to understand and learn how to treat people like brucelee.
you should check this out and see if you are actually a professional pilot:
http://www.alpa.org/Default.aspx?tabid=270
"An Air Line Pilot the honor of his profession is dear, and he will remember that his own character and conduct reflect honor or dishonor upon the profession.
We should be helping each other out, giving advices, supporting, and treating each other with respect. What's with the competition lately? It looks to me like we are willing to do whatever it takes just to get ahead of others and make it to the top list.....then start a thread in here saying how much better pilot you are from the rest.
believe me, the amount of professional pilots has unimaginably decreased throughout the years. That sense of professionalism, and admiration I felt back when i was a kid, and saw them wearing a uniform is no longer present.
In today's world we see pilots complaining about wearing uniforms at certain colleges, we see guys like brucelee, with no respect whatsoever for anyone. Pilots were a completely different kind of people in the 70's and 80's, very polite, professional, admired, respected and well educated. Now all they do is complain about the money, their schedule, and how much "for worst" the industry has changed.
Well...you guys have also changed....and a lot....not exactly for good.
Complain about going to certain schools that offer degrees or for some other reasons requires the student to stay for longer to finish off. I know of guys with 60% overall wanting to be a pilot....this shouldn't be allowed. marks are only one of the many things that have affected the quality of today's pilot, and I mean my generation of pilots.
being 18 years old, and an immigrant has given me enough "experience" to understand and learn how to treat people like brucelee.
you should check this out and see if you are actually a professional pilot:
http://www.alpa.org/Default.aspx?tabid=270
"An Air Line Pilot the honor of his profession is dear, and he will remember that his own character and conduct reflect honor or dishonor upon the profession.
• He will be a good citizen of his country, state, and community, taking an active part in their affairs, especially those dealing with the improvement of aviation facilities and the enhancement of air safety.
• He will conduct all his affairs in a manner that reflects credit on himself and his profession.
• He will remember that to his neighbors, friends, and acquaintances he represents both the profession and ALPA, and that his actions represent to them the conduct and character of all members of the profession and ALPA.
• He will realize that nothing more certainly fosters prejudices against and deprives the profession of its high public esteem and confidence than do breaches in the use of alcohol.
• He will not publish articles, give interviews, or permit his name to be used in any manner likely to bring discredit to another pilot, the airline industry, the profession, or ALPA.
• He will continue to keep abreast of aviation developments so that his skill and judgment, which heavily depend on such knowledge, may be of the highest order."
• He will conduct all his affairs in a manner that reflects credit on himself and his profession.
• He will remember that to his neighbors, friends, and acquaintances he represents both the profession and ALPA, and that his actions represent to them the conduct and character of all members of the profession and ALPA.
• He will realize that nothing more certainly fosters prejudices against and deprives the profession of its high public esteem and confidence than do breaches in the use of alcohol.
• He will not publish articles, give interviews, or permit his name to be used in any manner likely to bring discredit to another pilot, the airline industry, the profession, or ALPA.
• He will continue to keep abreast of aviation developments so that his skill and judgment, which heavily depend on such knowledge, may be of the highest order."
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Sean,
GIVE YOUR HEAD A SHAKE MAN! YOU MAKE LESS MONEY THAN YOU DID AS A CMA CAPTAIN...................!
Its a job, not a life.......................get over it!
Pitotman
GIVE YOUR HEAD A SHAKE MAN! YOU MAKE LESS MONEY THAN YOU DID AS A CMA CAPTAIN...................!
Its a job, not a life.......................get over it!
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Degraded to pilot v pilot recently you think? Nope, this **** has been going on in Canada ever since the feds split up the pie and let 2 airlines fight it out over the pieces. That was how long ago boys? 50 years plus? Been this way since the Pacific went to Canadian Pacific and the rest of the world went to TCA...Nothin new here! And by the sounds of it, it isn't gonna end too soon either, too bad.