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This question is manily addresed to any Seneca student that is currently on the program or already graduated. However, any person with some info about the program may be able to input.
I will like to know how is the training experience and how many hours are you allowed to fly on the sim? How is the program overall; and what most of you are planning on doing after the 4th year? (for those who already graduated what r u guys currently doing? )
I currently have an 82% overall do you think I will get accepted? What was the average or cut off mark when u guys entered?
Thanks for the feedback
This question is manily addresed to any Seneca student that is currently on the program or already graduated. However, any person with some info about the program may be able to input.
I will like to know how is the training experience and how many hours are you allowed to fly on the sim? How is the program overall; and what most of you are planning on doing after the 4th year? (for those who already graduated what r u guys currently doing? )
I currently have an 82% overall do you think I will get accepted? What was the average or cut off mark when u guys entered?
Thanks for the feedback
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CUB181,
I'm not a Seneca graduate, so I wouldn't know about the course.
I have flown with numerous Seneca graduates in my 30+ years in the industry. I can honestly say they are some of the smartest pilots I have had the pleasure to fly with. They seem to be trained well.
If you decide on Seneca, I hope to fly with you before I retire.
Cheers,
ex-beagle
I'm not a Seneca graduate, so I wouldn't know about the course.
I have flown with numerous Seneca graduates in my 30+ years in the industry. I can honestly say they are some of the smartest pilots I have had the pleasure to fly with. They seem to be trained well.
If you decide on Seneca, I hope to fly with you before I retire.
Cheers,
ex-beagle
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CUB181,
I'm not a Seneca graduate, so I wouldn't know about the course.
I have flown with numerous Seneca graduates in my 30+ years in the industry. I can honestly say they are some of the smartest pilots I have had the pleasure to fly with. They seem to be trained well.
If you decide on Seneca, I hope to fly with you before I retire.
Cheers,
ex-beagle
I'm not a Seneca graduate, so I wouldn't know about the course.
I have flown with numerous Seneca graduates in my 30+ years in the industry. I can honestly say they are some of the smartest pilots I have had the pleasure to fly with. They seem to be trained well.
If you decide on Seneca, I hope to fly with you before I retire.
Cheers,
ex-beagle
. I've heard that it is a good school, and you get no summers off which I find very good; contrary to other people. A summer flying means hard work and lots of time to learn what I've always wanted to.
You sound like a very nice person and I thank you for your comments regarding Seneca students. I also hope to fly with you and meet you some time in life before an "odd" number take you away from flying.
you take care and thanks for the feedback
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Things may have changed, but in the past high school GPA was not a factor in being accepted. All candidates were given a math test and acceptance was based on your score on the test. Anyhow I went to Seneca and I found it to be a very good program. Frustrating while I was in it, but after the fact I came to appreciate just how comprehensive it was. The things I learned there have definitely been more helpful since entering the "airline" world...not so much for those first couple of jobs in the "bush" world, however. In my opinion it should be considered amongst the top aviation programs in North America.
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Things may have changed, but in the past high school GPA was not a factor in being accepted. All candidates were given a math test and acceptance was based on your score on the test.
Anyhow I went to Seneca and I found it to be a very good program. Frustrating while I was in it, but after the fact I came to appreciate just how comprehensive it was. The things I learned there have definitely been more helpful since entering the "airline" world...not so much for those first couple of jobs in the "bush" world, however. In my opinion it should be considered amongst the top aviation programs in North America.
Anyhow I went to Seneca and I found it to be a very good program. Frustrating while I was in it, but after the fact I came to appreciate just how comprehensive it was. The things I learned there have definitely been more helpful since entering the "airline" world...not so much for those first couple of jobs in the "bush" world, however. In my opinion it should be considered amongst the top aviation programs in North America.
Just as a side note, I had to fill my College Aplication with more than 1 option so I get my money's worth. My first option was Seneca, then Sault, and finally Confederation..all to the flight program. What do you guys think?
For Universities I applied for Waterloo's Science and Aviation, and Western's Management and Aviation. How are this programs? other than being very but very expensive. Although my dad and family are dying for me to go to university..Seneca is my top choice. Man I dream about it everynight this is so important for me, and means a heck of a lot!!
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The training doesnt matter, you will learn more in your first flying job than you will in all the training that you did. Training just covers the basics, now to make you a great pilot, you need the experience.
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CUB181 -
Those 5 schools are the exact ones ill be applying to next year... but i think my first shoice will be Sault. Any graduates/students on here from the soo? Care to lend some advice? marks needed? thanks.
Those 5 schools are the exact ones ill be applying to next year... but i think my first shoice will be Sault. Any graduates/students on here from the soo? Care to lend some advice? marks needed? thanks.
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Just remember that Sault and Seneca have quotas. If you're not in the top X of the class, you get cut from the program as they only have a certain number of spots available for students in later semesters. Confederation, on the other hand, has no such quotas and all though attrition is high, there are spots available for all students so long as they achieve passing marks.
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Hi,
I used to be in Toronto and thought about the Seneca aviation program too.
When i went online and did some research on flight school in Canada, I searched Coastal Pacific Aviation.
If you look at their course outline. it's a really good and challenging program.
Also, you can get a degree of B.B.A. in aviation too.
I'm in the program now and i'd say it's been a good experience so far!
I used to be in Toronto and thought about the Seneca aviation program too.
When i went online and did some research on flight school in Canada, I searched Coastal Pacific Aviation.
If you look at their course outline. it's a really good and challenging program.
Also, you can get a degree of B.B.A. in aviation too.
I'm in the program now and i'd say it's been a good experience so far!
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WOW.. $75K for the degree program at Coastal Pacific! Am I reading that right?
If so that's incredible. How do people afford that? I thought Seneca was expensive at $40K!
Sault Ste Marie College, diploma and flight training (CPL - MIFR) = ~$13K
Confederation College, diploma and flight training (CPL - Float rating) = ~$8K
If you're deciding on an aviation college, at least try to see if you can get in to one of the subsidized ones first. Confederation's program was under-subscribed this year which means they pretty much accepted everyone who applied.
If so that's incredible. How do people afford that? I thought Seneca was expensive at $40K!
Sault Ste Marie College, diploma and flight training (CPL - MIFR) = ~$13K
Confederation College, diploma and flight training (CPL - Float rating) = ~$8K
If you're deciding on an aviation college, at least try to see if you can get in to one of the subsidized ones first. Confederation's program was under-subscribed this year which means they pretty much accepted everyone who applied.
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Wow, I am getting old. I thought it was rough being $25K in the hole after my Private, Commercial, Multi-IFR and then Instructor’s rating. First twin job was less than $800 a month after tax. Oh how times have changed. What will it be like in another 25 years?
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WOW.. $75K for the degree program at Coastal Pacific! Am I reading that right?
If so that's incredible. How do people afford that? I thought Seneca was expensive at $40K!
Sault Ste Marie College, diploma and flight training (CPL - MIFR) = ~$13K
Confederation College, diploma and flight training (CPL - Float rating) = ~$8K
If you're deciding on an aviation college, at least try to see if you can get in to one of the subsidized ones first. Confederation's program was under-subscribed this year which means they pretty much accepted everyone who applied.
If so that's incredible. How do people afford that? I thought Seneca was expensive at $40K!
Sault Ste Marie College, diploma and flight training (CPL - MIFR) = ~$13K
Confederation College, diploma and flight training (CPL - Float rating) = ~$8K
If you're deciding on an aviation college, at least try to see if you can get in to one of the subsidized ones first. Confederation's program was under-subscribed this year which means they pretty much accepted everyone who applied.
to user maple leaf:
I wish you were wrong, but you are not. Times have indeed changed, and not for better. I won't be paying a cent out of my pocket for any of this programs because I don't have the money for it. I'm applying for an student loan because that's the only way I can afford my post secondary education. Not sure about whether they'll give all the money but, at least it's worth a try!
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Actually at Seneca the flight training is subsidized by the Ontario government so in affect you're only paying for tuition. This is why the program is only $40K not $75K like other aviation degree programs.
What you have to realize is that the degree you obtain from Seneca is an Applied Technology Degree which is not practical for anything outside aviation. It's fine if you're able to pursue a lifelong career in aviation but what if you lose your medical or want a career change (for whatever reason)?
You must also realize that your degree will have no bearing on your first few jobs in aviation and the same could be said about the aviation diplomas received from Sault and Confederation. Instructor, dock, ramp or entry level flying positions, in most cases, don't require post secondary education. Skills and personality are really what most employers are interested in. There are a few operators that do require an aviation diploma/degree like North Wright Aviation but most do not. Another thing to consider is that entry level positions in aviation pay very poorly and it can be difficult to manage a heavy debt load.
Another option would be to graduate from Sault or Confederation, and while working your first few jobs and obtaining aviation experience and flight time, attend university part time through correspondence. Both programs at Sault and Confederation will get you a one year credit at the University of Athabasca towards a Bachelor in Business Admin. You can complete your degree in your spare time in a non-industry specific program which will allow you to have something to fall back on if you are unable to fulfill a career in aviation.
I'm not bashing anyones choice in program or trying to change anyones mind; I'm just offering up suggestions and opinions based on the information I collected when I was deciding what options I had for flight training.
What you have to realize is that the degree you obtain from Seneca is an Applied Technology Degree which is not practical for anything outside aviation. It's fine if you're able to pursue a lifelong career in aviation but what if you lose your medical or want a career change (for whatever reason)?
You must also realize that your degree will have no bearing on your first few jobs in aviation and the same could be said about the aviation diplomas received from Sault and Confederation. Instructor, dock, ramp or entry level flying positions, in most cases, don't require post secondary education. Skills and personality are really what most employers are interested in. There are a few operators that do require an aviation diploma/degree like North Wright Aviation but most do not. Another thing to consider is that entry level positions in aviation pay very poorly and it can be difficult to manage a heavy debt load.
Another option would be to graduate from Sault or Confederation, and while working your first few jobs and obtaining aviation experience and flight time, attend university part time through correspondence. Both programs at Sault and Confederation will get you a one year credit at the University of Athabasca towards a Bachelor in Business Admin. You can complete your degree in your spare time in a non-industry specific program which will allow you to have something to fall back on if you are unable to fulfill a career in aviation.
I'm not bashing anyones choice in program or trying to change anyones mind; I'm just offering up suggestions and opinions based on the information I collected when I was deciding what options I had for flight training.
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How the industry has changed is amazing, when I first started flying I could barely read and write, my math skills reached its zenith when I was able to count high enough to confirm a dozen condoms were in the package.
Now many decades later the industry has far easier airplanes to fly and you need a degree to apply for the job.
What is wrong with this picture?
C.E.
Now many decades later the industry has far easier airplanes to fly and you need a degree to apply for the job.
What is wrong with this picture?
C.E.
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Well
I guess the difference between Seneca and Coastal Pacific is that.
Coastal Pacific : get a B.B.A. degree (business degree) which you can find an office job easily after getting tired of flying (not that you're going to mentally, but you might fail to get Class 1 medical later in life)
Seneca: I'm not not sure what you get, as far as I know, you'll get like a science degree or something. Which it's kind of useless cause it's too general. But the good side of is government funded.
And at coastal, you get to go to a University while Seneca you go to a College. As far as I know, Airliners are now demanding higher educated pilot.
But i mean, both schools are top in Aviation in Canada. So I guess it depends who you are in order to be successful pilot.
**Correct me if I'm wrong about the Seneca program
I guess the difference between Seneca and Coastal Pacific is that.
Coastal Pacific : get a B.B.A. degree (business degree) which you can find an office job easily after getting tired of flying (not that you're going to mentally, but you might fail to get Class 1 medical later in life)
Seneca: I'm not not sure what you get, as far as I know, you'll get like a science degree or something. Which it's kind of useless cause it's too general. But the good side of is government funded.
And at coastal, you get to go to a University while Seneca you go to a College. As far as I know, Airliners are now demanding higher educated pilot.
But i mean, both schools are top in Aviation in Canada. So I guess it depends who you are in order to be successful pilot.
**Correct me if I'm wrong about the Seneca program
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You're right. My avg it's like 75 and i got in to the program.
Well...i got lots of extra activities. But then my friend who got high 60s avg and got in.
Coastal is flexible for getting in. But if you want to continue studying in the school, you need to maintain a B- in the program. That isn't easy at all.
I'm not sure about Seneca, but I heard lots of people saying it's not easy also.
All I know is I know lots of Coastal graduate went to "Pacific Coastal", "Air Canada", "West Jet", But I have never heard a Seneca graduate hits some big name airline industry...
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Well actually parts of it haven't changed that much. First job in 1997 paid $1000/month (before tax). (Navair, PA31 YVR)
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Actually I know for a fact that there are a number of Seneca grads out there working for Air Canada and West Jet. And even some Sault grads too.
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Just remember that Sault and Seneca have quotas. If you're not in the top X of the class, you get cut from the program as they only have a certain number of spots available for students in later semesters. Confederation, on the other hand, has no such quotas and all though attrition is high, there are spots available for all students so long as they achieve passing marks.