Jetsgo YYC today...
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JetsGo hit the grass in Calgary and somehow pulled off a low evergy go around from it. I listened in on tower while it was all going on.
The fiasco snarled up the airport for a good two hours while myself and others chased their tails in holds.
No one hurt, only pissed off, and the aircraft need some work to the flaps, gear door and a few hydraulic lines.
The fiasco snarled up the airport for a good two hours while myself and others chased their tails in holds.
No one hurt, only pissed off, and the aircraft need some work to the flaps, gear door and a few hydraulic lines.
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Also, Thursday Jan. 20, in CYUL, in late afternoon, a Jetsgo MD-83 had an emergency and closed runway 24R for a while.
No idea of what the emer was for.
Anyone at Jetsgo cares to elaborate. Thanks.
No idea of what the emer was for.
Anyone at Jetsgo cares to elaborate. Thanks.
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-----------------------------------------Occurrence 10----------------------------------------
Occurrence No. : A05W0010 Occurrence Type: INCIDENT REPORTABLE
Class : BEING ASSESSED Reportable Type: E. FAILURE TO REMAIN
Date : 20-01-2005 Time : 19:56 MST
Region of Responsibility : WESTERN
Location : CYYC CALGARY INTL, ALBERTA
Aircraft Information:
Registration : C-FRYH Operator : JETSGO
Manufacturer : MCDONNELL DOUGLAS Operator Type: COMMERCIAL
Model : DC-9-80 CARs Info: 705 - AIRLINER
Injuries: Fatal : 0 Serious : 0 Minor : 0 None : 0 Unknown : 0
Occurrence Summary :
A05W0010: The Jetsgo Douglas DC-9-83, C-FRYH, was operating as flight JGO191 from Toronto, ON to Calgary, AB. During the touchdown on runway 34 in Calgary, the aircraft departed the runway surface to the west and traveled for approximately 1800 feet beside the runway before becoming airborne. The aircraft struck a runway hold sign during the excursion resulting in some damage to the flaps and landing gear. The extent of damage to the aircraft is unknown at this time. The aircraft returned for a successful second landing. There were no injuries to passengers or flight crew. The TSB has dispatched two regional investigators to the site. The weather at the time of the accident was as follows: METAR CYYC 210300Z 04007KT 1/2SM FZFG OVC004 M04/M06 A2974 RMK FG6ST2 RVR RWY34 1400 FT SLP123=
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Occurrence No. : A05W0010 Occurrence Type: INCIDENT REPORTABLE
Class : BEING ASSESSED Reportable Type: E. FAILURE TO REMAIN
Date : 20-01-2005 Time : 19:56 MST
Region of Responsibility : WESTERN
Location : CYYC CALGARY INTL, ALBERTA
Aircraft Information:
Registration : C-FRYH Operator : JETSGO
Manufacturer : MCDONNELL DOUGLAS Operator Type: COMMERCIAL
Model : DC-9-80 CARs Info: 705 - AIRLINER
Injuries: Fatal : 0 Serious : 0 Minor : 0 None : 0 Unknown : 0
Occurrence Summary :
A05W0010: The Jetsgo Douglas DC-9-83, C-FRYH, was operating as flight JGO191 from Toronto, ON to Calgary, AB. During the touchdown on runway 34 in Calgary, the aircraft departed the runway surface to the west and traveled for approximately 1800 feet beside the runway before becoming airborne. The aircraft struck a runway hold sign during the excursion resulting in some damage to the flaps and landing gear. The extent of damage to the aircraft is unknown at this time. The aircraft returned for a successful second landing. There were no injuries to passengers or flight crew. The TSB has dispatched two regional investigators to the site. The weather at the time of the accident was as follows: METAR CYYC 210300Z 04007KT 1/2SM FZFG OVC004 M04/M06 A2974 RMK FG6ST2 RVR RWY34 1400 FT SLP123=
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I suspect the OC will be suspended the day after the crash - usually is. I really hate to get on anyone, I'm sure there they are all good people doing their best - but this operation looks like Valuejet all over again - (Even the type of plane!!!)
My wife flew them once and never again - said the condition of the plane scared her - and she is not a pilot!!
On a serious note - why would the pilot go round - did he land so long that he was out of braking room? Unless there was sure disaster ahead I would have thought the safe move was to stay on the ground.
Does not look good for Canadian travellers -
My wife flew them once and never again - said the condition of the plane scared her - and she is not a pilot!!
On a serious note - why would the pilot go round - did he land so long that he was out of braking room? Unless there was sure disaster ahead I would have thought the safe move was to stay on the ground.
Does not look good for Canadian travellers -
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Apparently the OC is still in effect. I must say, having flown with them twice, that the staff certainly did their best. But the planes were full of snags causing serious delays.
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"The light of truth will always expose the shadows of lies of dishonest men" -W.Churchill
Here's the National Post article:
Jet slides off runway, hits sign: Calgary emergency: 78 passengers on plane as it tears along grass verge
NATIONAL POST
01/25/2005
Federal investigators are trying to determine why a Jetsgo flight with 78 passengers aboard suddenly veered off the runway at Calgary airport last week, trundled along the grass verge, then took off again from the turf.
As it tore 1,600 feet along the frozen ground, the McDonnell Douglas MD83 ran over a sign, apparently damaging flaps, landing gear doors and hydraulics, according to an official report on the incident.
The crew lifted off from the grass after reporting a "fuel emergency," but circled around and landed again safely. About 30 other aircraft were left in holding patterns and emergency vehicles dispatched as the drama unfolded.
Investigators are not saying what caused the mishap, but the most likely culprit would appear to be the weather, said Tom MacMillan, a Jetsgo spokesman.
"The combination of ice fog, low ceiling, low visibility and no centre lights on the runway ... would have come together to make the landing that much more problematic or challenging," he said.
Mr. MacMillan stressed that the fuel emergency only meant that if the plane had been forced to wait in queue behind other flights for its second landing, it would not have had enough fuel to be diverted to another airport, should Calgary be closed.
But one experienced airline pilot said the incident could have ended much more hazardously, especially given the fuel situation and harm inflicted to the jet's airframe and hydraulic lines.
"Had they kept the aircraft on the ground, where would it have ended up?" said the pilot, who asked not to be named. "In what heap, in what snow bank?"
The Transportation Safety Board is investigating the incident and plans to analyze both the cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder at its Ottawa office, said John Cottreau, a spokesman for the agency. He could not say when a report would be issued.
"We investigate when we think there are lessons to be learned," said Mr. Cottreau.
The incident began just before 8 p.m. Calgary time last Thursday, as Flight 191 from Toronto touched down on Runway 34, according to a report on Transport Canada's Civil Aviation Daily Occurrence Reporting System (CADORS), obtained by the National Post.
Crew members reported they felt the aircraft start to slide off the runway, so elected to do a missed approach, meaning they would lift off and try another landing, said the report. The crew told the control tower they had to get back to ground as soon as possible because of what they called a "fuel emergency."
The plane landed safely again at 8:10 p.m., with no injuries reported.
"It was later reported by TSB that the entire aircraft departed the runway during the landing sequences and the go-around was initiated from the grass beside the runway surface," said the CADORS report.
"There is damage to the flaps, gear doors and possibly some hydraulic lines."
Some airlines require their crew to use auto-land in conditions such as those at Calgary, where visibility was reduced to 1,400 feet, said the commercial pilot.
It is possible that, as the Jetsgo flight broke out of the clouds, the pilots were hand flying, thought incorrectly that there were lights embedded down the centre of the runway and lined up the plane accordingly. If so, they would have been looking at lights that were actually along the side of the runway. As they aligned the craft, it would have been half on and half off the runway, said the pilot.
Mr. MacMillan, the Jetsgo spokesman, said the arrival at Calgary initially seemed quite normal.
But "the captain at the time said he felt something abnormal on landing and so pulled up again."
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Hmmm think for a sec before commenting on the whole fuel emergency thing. Lets say they had flown from YYZ-YYC with YEG as an alternate. Fight slightly higher than forecast winds enroute then do an approach. Obviously they damaged the plane on the miss and would not have wanted to go to YEG or even if they had, the fuel burn would have been much higher due to possibly having to leave the gear down or the flaps down. Add all this up and you could easily be a big tight on gas.
Canadian Beech, you obviously have no experience with no alternate IFR or you wouldn't have made that comment. To go no alternate IFR you need weather mins much higher than the YYC weather was.
If you chose to not let your family fly on any airline that has had an incident, then I guess after the accident at YFC, the accident in YEG and the incident involving a 737 taking off with no flaps, you don't have too many choices left for air travel in Canada.
Canadian Beech, you obviously have no experience with no alternate IFR or you wouldn't have made that comment. To go no alternate IFR you need weather mins much higher than the YYC weather was.
If you chose to not let your family fly on any airline that has had an incident, then I guess after the accident at YFC, the accident in YEG and the incident involving a 737 taking off with no flaps, you don't have too many choices left for air travel in Canada.
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Why declare a fuel emergency?? Why not just declare a "we just ploughed through 1600' of dirt, edge lights and taxi signs" emergency?
I hope TC finally wises up and shuts these clowns down before they really hurt or kill someone!
I hope TC finally wises up and shuts these clowns down before they really hurt or kill someone!