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Does anyone know if laid-off Air Canada pilots have been recalled? I hear that they should be back by spring '05, but was wondering if anyone has actually been given a restart date.
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No calls yet and I'm not holding my breath...I think they will call back in 3 groups of around 57.....maybe 50-60 back next year spring more in late 05 or early 06 and the rest back in late 06 early 07.
IMHO not policy, just what I see.
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IMHO not policy, just what I see.
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Initial layoffs were 317. Following bid reduced to 287 and the last bid 100 or so "surplus" returned to active status.
So as of today around 180 are actually on the street of wich about 55 are due to be recalled. As of today I was talking to a buddy who is in the 55 or so to be brought back and indeed no calls from the company........though they say that those calls could and the word is COULD start in the new year.
I'm not sure I agree with the timetable mentionned in the previous post..........the company wants to bring in 2 more 767 and 2 more A330's as well as new EMB170's on the next equipment bid......they have already asked for increased flying hours because they are short of pilots.
More likely everyone will be back by the summer and the word around the office is hiring in about a year.Also dont forget we have 800 or so retirements from now to 2009.
I hope those phonecalls start coming soon!
So as of today around 180 are actually on the street of wich about 55 are due to be recalled. As of today I was talking to a buddy who is in the 55 or so to be brought back and indeed no calls from the company........though they say that those calls could and the word is COULD start in the new year.
I'm not sure I agree with the timetable mentionned in the previous post..........the company wants to bring in 2 more 767 and 2 more A330's as well as new EMB170's on the next equipment bid......they have already asked for increased flying hours because they are short of pilots.
More likely everyone will be back by the summer and the word around the office is hiring in about a year.Also dont forget we have 800 or so retirements from now to 2009.
I hope those phonecalls start coming soon!
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geardoor,
Sorry about the confusion. Air Canada uses 2 terms :surplus and furlough. Surplus means you are on the list to get layed off but you are still on line flying.Furloughed means you are phisically off the property.Initially the 317 number is the number of Surplus.Of that number only about the 160 you aRE referring to got the axe.
The remaining surplus pilots were returned to active status,in other words those planned layoffs were cancelled as the situation here improved.
Of the 160 or so that are on the street ,55 are supposed to start being brought back in sometime in the new year wich will leave around 100 mainline pilots still unemployed.
These numbers are for the mainline and I have no idea what they are at Jazz.
I know it's confusing but I hope this helps.
Sorry about the confusion. Air Canada uses 2 terms :surplus and furlough. Surplus means you are on the list to get layed off but you are still on line flying.Furloughed means you are phisically off the property.Initially the 317 number is the number of Surplus.Of that number only about the 160 you aRE referring to got the axe.
The remaining surplus pilots were returned to active status,in other words those planned layoffs were cancelled as the situation here improved.
Of the 160 or so that are on the street ,55 are supposed to start being brought back in sometime in the new year wich will leave around 100 mainline pilots still unemployed.
These numbers are for the mainline and I have no idea what they are at Jazz.
I know it's confusing but I hope this helps.
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Thanks, confusion eliminated.
I'm trying desperately to get an interview there some day, but my master plan was set back a bit with the CCRA stuff. However, I've been following their progress, and the new business plan gives me some hope that I may still be an Air Canada employee sometime.
I've been faithfully sending updates every six months, and I have all the minimum requirements, even some bonus ones (like university degree, turbine-EFIS experience, a bit of French etc.)
I could go and get a job at another jet airline, but it would be just that, a job. A career at AC is what I really want. Anyhow, if you have any more inside info, feel free to let me know.
I'm trying desperately to get an interview there some day, but my master plan was set back a bit with the CCRA stuff. However, I've been following their progress, and the new business plan gives me some hope that I may still be an Air Canada employee sometime.
I've been faithfully sending updates every six months, and I have all the minimum requirements, even some bonus ones (like university degree, turbine-EFIS experience, a bit of French etc.)
I could go and get a job at another jet airline, but it would be just that, a job. A career at AC is what I really want. Anyhow, if you have any more inside info, feel free to let me know.
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Chris, (and all)
With the word yesterday of 15 emb175's comeing in July, that will change things a bit, the idea that all of us will be back (all 172 at main line)by spring is a nice idea but I don't think the training department can train us that fast.
Meaw I thought it was 2-767 and 1-340? either way you sound like you have info from an office I don't have so I hope your right I just think realistically it will take more time than you think to spool things up.
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With the word yesterday of 15 emb175's comeing in July, that will change things a bit, the idea that all of us will be back (all 172 at main line)by spring is a nice idea but I don't think the training department can train us that fast.
Meaw I thought it was 2-767 and 1-340? either way you sound like you have info from an office I don't have so I hope your right I just think realistically it will take more time than you think to spool things up.
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After they get those Embraer's and CRJ's there just might have to hire another couple hundred pilots, that really helps releive the lower spots currently occupied by high time pilots
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from today's Toronto Star
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http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...=1100559008812
The airline also said yesterday that it plans to add six large used jets on its Asian and Latin American routes in time for next summer's tourist season.
Milton said the Montreal-based carrier was "scouring the used-aircraft market" for wide-body, long-haul Boeing 767 and Airbus 340 jets.
"The international piece of our operation has just moved to a position of extremely strong profitability and so we want to increase our activity there," he added.
Milton wouldn't say how much additional revenue Air Canada might generate from adding the six aircraft.
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...=1100559008812
The airline also said yesterday that it plans to add six large used jets on its Asian and Latin American routes in time for next summer's tourist season.
Milton said the Montreal-based carrier was "scouring the used-aircraft market" for wide-body, long-haul Boeing 767 and Airbus 340 jets.
"The international piece of our operation has just moved to a position of extremely strong profitability and so we want to increase our activity there," he added.
Milton wouldn't say how much additional revenue Air Canada might generate from adding the six aircraft.
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C150,
The pay tables have changed a few times since the last 2 years.
It is open to interpretation here at AC but this is what I make of it.
A new GROUP PAY has been introduced and will cover EMB190 fo/CL65 FO/ A340 RP/B767 RP. Once you get off flat pay (used to be 2 years....not sure how much it is now though..used to be about 50000/year for first 2 years.)
Assuming you get hired into one of these positions,and unless things start going through the roof ,this will be the case for you,
you can expect to make around 77 Dollars an hour wich works out at 85 hours/month to about 78000 Dollars per year.
If you are lucky and get the A320 right away after your 2 years you will make about 90 000/year.
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The pay tables have changed a few times since the last 2 years.
It is open to interpretation here at AC but this is what I make of it.
A new GROUP PAY has been introduced and will cover EMB190 fo/CL65 FO/ A340 RP/B767 RP. Once you get off flat pay (used to be 2 years....not sure how much it is now though..used to be about 50000/year for first 2 years.)
Assuming you get hired into one of these positions,and unless things start going through the roof ,this will be the case for you,
you can expect to make around 77 Dollars an hour wich works out at 85 hours/month to about 78000 Dollars per year.
If you are lucky and get the A320 right away after your 2 years you will make about 90 000/year.
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Meaw, thanks for the info.
Do you have a guess on what the average number of crews are for each a/c? I would guess there would be about 5-10 crews per aircraft. The fact that they are searching for "long-haul" aircraft could imply that some cruise pilots may be required also.
Have the 737 drivers been absorbed by the rest of the fleet already? I'm not even sure if they (the airplanes) have all been retired yet. I do know that Jazz is supposed to have started doing the Zip flights in the West already.
Only thing I can do is hope for an interview. It is still possible for me to have a 25 year career at team Red.
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Do you have a guess on what the average number of crews are for each a/c? I would guess there would be about 5-10 crews per aircraft. The fact that they are searching for "long-haul" aircraft could imply that some cruise pilots may be required also.
Have the 737 drivers been absorbed by the rest of the fleet already? I'm not even sure if they (the airplanes) have all been retired yet. I do know that Jazz is supposed to have started doing the Zip flights in the West already.
Only thing I can do is hope for an interview. It is still possible for me to have a 25 year career at team Red.
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Those numbers sound a bit high to me. I made less than 40k for the first year and not much more after year two. The flat pay for two years is a scam in my opinion. On formula you can expect to make about 50-60k as an RJ F/0, maybe 75k on the 320. Not great, but hopefully there will be more movement soon.
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Saltaire,
CL65 f/o salary was indeed about 55000-year, you are correct.
But that position is now part of the GROUP PAY as it is called in the new contract. So the R/p's have taken a pay cut and the CL65's a raise and now everybody makes the same (cl65 fo/emb190f/o/ RP 767-340)
You will mow make about 75000 per year in this position and that is a fact.
As for the 320 salary it has never been anywhere close to 75000 per year.
I was on it for 3 years and never made less than 105 000/year.With the pay cut it is around 90000/year .
Meaw
CL65 f/o salary was indeed about 55000-year, you are correct.
But that position is now part of the GROUP PAY as it is called in the new contract. So the R/p's have taken a pay cut and the CL65's a raise and now everybody makes the same (cl65 fo/emb190f/o/ RP 767-340)
You will mow make about 75000 per year in this position and that is a fact.
As for the 320 salary it has never been anywhere close to 75000 per year.
I was on it for 3 years and never made less than 105 000/year.With the pay cut it is around 90000/year .
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EARLIER THIS WEEK, IN RESPONSE TO A QUESTIONS ON OUR MESSAGE BOARD, I DETAILED THE FACT THAT WE ARE ACTIVLEY SEARCHING FOR UP TO SIX ADDITIONAL WIDEBODY AIRCRAFT FOR THE SUMMER 2005. THESE SIX AIRCRAFT WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO FINS 611, 621 AND EMB 175S.
BID 04-02 WILL REFLECT A REQUIREMENT TO RECALL MOST OF OUR PILOTS ON FURLOUGH. WITH EMB190S SCHEDULED TO ARRIVE AT THE RATE OF ONE PER MONTH COMMENCING IN NOVEMBER, BID 05-01 WILL RESULT IN THE RECALL OF THE REMAINING FURLOUGHED PILOTS.
NEEDLESS TO SAY, OUR TRAINING FACILITIES WILL BE OPERATING AT 100% CAPACITY NEXT YEAR WITH NO ROOM FOR ADDITIONAL GROWTH UNTIL FALL 2005.
For your info.
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BID 04-02 WILL REFLECT A REQUIREMENT TO RECALL MOST OF OUR PILOTS ON FURLOUGH. WITH EMB190S SCHEDULED TO ARRIVE AT THE RATE OF ONE PER MONTH COMMENCING IN NOVEMBER, BID 05-01 WILL RESULT IN THE RECALL OF THE REMAINING FURLOUGHED PILOTS.
NEEDLESS TO SAY, OUR TRAINING FACILITIES WILL BE OPERATING AT 100% CAPACITY NEXT YEAR WITH NO ROOM FOR ADDITIONAL GROWTH UNTIL FALL 2005.
For your info.
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