What a load of CRAP !
 

For those that are interested, there is a very touchy subject to all of us going on in the Dunnunda Forum titled - " cup of tea.....that will be $70,000 thanks "
http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/For...ML/003367.html

Apparently, Flight attendants are overpaid according to these " hard done by " pilots...

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Trust your captain .... but keep your seatbelt securely fastened.

Yes I appreciate that a flight attendent has its own demands and difficulties, but surely the flight tech crew have a higher demand, more responsibility to their jobs, hence the bigger pay packet, don't you agree?

It doesn't sound like anyone is saying that tech crew don't have more responsibiliy, but why have a go at us saying we're overpaid? There are plenty of airlines out there that underpay f/a's. There are SOME tech/flight crews out there that think we are there purely to serve them tea/coffee for the entire flight and have absolutely no appreciation of just how physcially hard the job is, and how long WE have to go on for without so much as a cup of tea, let alone something to EAT!

Well, and tech crew wonder why cabin crew don't give them the time of day.... it's because of morons like that !!!!

Oh and 'Windowseat driver', yes I agree techies have more responsibility..... but the jobs are completely different, and the remuneration shouldnt even be compared.... and it's never cabin crew who are doing the whinging about what the pilots earn - always the other way around.

[This message has been edited by Evacu8 (edited 02 October 2000).]

That is exactly right Evacu8 !! ...I mean look who started the topic over in the other forum ! .....

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Trust your captain .... but keep your seatbelt securely fastened.

In my airline the cabin crew rarely complain about how much they're paid in relation to flight crew. Must be 'cos the head waiter gets paid 50-100% more than I get for flying the aircraft! Aaah, the power of BASSA.

come on guys - In my company, flight deck will land down route and drive 20 miles because they've heard of a seedy bar that has beer 2 cents cheaaper than the crew hotel - who has the money problem here? I have to admit my other half (flight deck) is embarrassed at the amount of money he earns compared to the amount of work he does compared to myself and my fellow cabin crew. but WE don't moan about it!

I have to say that we have flight deck in my company who feel that us poor F/As don't get paid enough and tell the company management that too!! (not that they listen) So not all F/D think we are overpaid.

[This message has been edited by chilled (edited 06 October 2000).]

Ouch! Obviously a very touchy subject. I will speak to the captain and ask them to retract his/her comments.
Don't have a go at me, remember it wasn't me that made the original comments.
But I am sure that where the F/As are underpaid, the pilots are probably underpaid too. Its all relative. Anyway, I wasn't complaining about my pay, in fact I'm pretty happy with what I got.

C'mon let's be friends.

Red Minx - how true!!!

well folks - this shows just how far apart most f/a and flight deck are, its a simple fact, each depend on one another.

Did no one teach these men(and ladies) to be kind to the people that see their food before they do?

Now that's a different topic altogether. You scare me.

Jeez traveler, nice pilots have nothing to fear. Actually only heard of that happening once after the fact.But would be a good thread.

Cabin Boy,
I wouldn't get too het up Mate, the topic deviated rather quickly to the heart of the matter. What we earn is irrelevant, we do different jobs with different responsibilities (one of which is to drag unconscious techies from the f/d and push them down the slide in an emergency evacuation) and different methods of remuneration. Big companies pay the big bucks and small companies the not so big ones.
The key to it all of course is to negotiate as a group, preferably by being unionised. (but that is a personal opinion of course ;))
It is quite obvious to most people that individuals have little power and the thread on the pilots forum - quickly identified the problem, and it isn't that we are overpaid, it is that others are not paid enough.
Just a thought:
Denigrating anyone's job because it's not your 'cup of tea'(pun intended) only creates animosity on the aircraft and that achieves nothing.

Yeh, good point, Tarantella, you see if one occupations wage drops, in the industry, you can bet yours will be next, they won't pay F/As $20,000 P.A., and techies $300,000P.A., everything will be in line, over at Impluse they pay the cabin crew low, but also the Pilots, so we should all be kind to each other, we are all just employees with little say, Pilots, F/As, C.S.Os, Engineers, it doesn't matter, the big companies just want you to work harder and pay you less, no matter what job you do for them!

spot on nav light

Hmmm the eternal discussion

In the beginning I was really amazed how many captains were asking a red/white wine or mini out of the business trolley. As if they don't get enough paid. I've seen capt's who take all the crew'fruit home after a flight without asking someone else. The more money you get, the gredier you become??

If I'm on a ferry flight (flight without pax) I just don't do any kind of service... C.A. is cabin attendant not COCKPIT ATTENDANT

I'd like to see a member of the flight deck in the cabin fighting with pax about luggage, or even trying to help the dieing lady. It 's so funny to do recurrent trainings with them and that they don't have a clue about what equipment is in the cabin and surely how it works.

http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/frown.gif
sad sad sad

Last week I had a capt who worked for a major eastern airline who came out of the toilet and asked why the soap was not foaming... I just told him that this was a toilet refreshing tablet (deo) and not soap.

Are they aliens?

p. Arempi.

I am still a youngster in this game and I hope I do not become like the people you have just described. It does seem very sad that people do become greedier and pettier as they get older. The airline I work for doesnt seem to have that problem. All relatively young and tech/cabin crew do respect each other and get along well.

Dunno how much your on, but as a mil helo driver had a lot of respect for the FA CA or whatever there called now who put up with a big fat german git on my last long haul through Singapore, she should get waay more cash just for sheer proffesionalism, IE Not breaking down and smacking the !!!!

Arempi, Id like to see you in the cockpit fighting to land the ac in bad conditions, or even trying to understand what ATC tells you.
You on the other hand know exactly what the instuments in the cockpit are for, right? And you know how to use them all as well, don't you?

Oh and another point, in our flight safety manual it says that we have to check the cockpit every 30 minutes. I'd bet a small fortune that it says exactly the same in yours! Like it or not, making sure your pilots are safe and healthy is part of your job. :)
Sure some pilots are absolute ignorant d!ckheads. But so are some flight attendants, P.Arempi. :rolleyes:

Like Tarantella-the-wise says: Animosity on the ac achieves nothing. And the way you nurse that chip on your shoulder, animosity must be your constant travelling companion.


Arempi, the more of your posts I read, the more I cringe at you being in the same profession as I am.



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A Singularly Simple Person........

hay you guys/gals

God i've been at this a long time

we're a team are we not ?

We all do our bit and fair play to us

there's a lot of ***P out there

lets be together cos otherwise we're F***ed

i work with a million different nationalities

it works if we confide in each other

you'd be surprised !!!

Girls and Boys,

To quote the great lady herself "I can take all the madness the world has to give but I wouldn't last a day without you". Let us come together in the spirit of Karen and Richard and acknowledge that whether we are top or bottom on the aircraft we truly need each other to be "on top of the world". For the sake of interplanetary co-operation we must cherish and wonder at the marvel of aircrew teamwork and resist the darkness of solitaire.

Jumbalaya!

xoxoxoxox

:)

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Hey you guys are really really different, and I can see why now it is a good idea for tech. crew to bring their own food. One of you is really scary. I hope they find you.
You are seriously deranged and a menace to safe efficient trolley operations.

That Fat German pax. was related to that FA who threatened to tamper with the food, I believe.

When people wil realise that we are working TOGETHER? We need one another and it is not by arguing that we will achieve anything.

In my company I have never heard anyone to complain about the other cathegory's salary.

I have never seen or heard about any FA doing anything nasty to a tech. If a pilot is a DH,
the ostracism and the dislike of the FA (and other pilots, because if you are a DH you generally are to everybody) cathegory is enough.

Management can only take advantage of such selfish riots.

Let's be constructive. The world has too many minorities to minorize eachother!

Flapsforty:
In my company FA are not paid flying time when deadheading. It is considered off duty. That's why some are not very happy and think that they shouldn't assure any service to F/D as they are not on duty! But they take care of the F/D anyway because they are not the counterpart, but people they have to work with, live with (1 week layovers etc), get to know personally and anyway workers as they are.

Did you read the profile cabin boy?
I would not expect much of anyone from down there, it's so miserable in the first place and they want to burden us with their thoughts on social wellfare, he'se lucky he's got a job! let alone being served a cup of tea. Tell him to come and get it himself!

RedMinx you're on !!!!!

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Howdy Flaps, nice put down to p.Arempi. I'm glad it came from another F/A and not F/D. I am not one of those who has much to fear from 'imaginative' F/A's. On short sectors such as AMS, GCI, JER etc., I always say that if they haven't got time then don't come in. You are right about checking up on F/D though, c'mon guys, it makes sense whether you like them or not.

On a personal note, I think that most of you do a fine job for far too little money. I don't know that I could do your job, not because I would consider it beneath me but because I just can't abide crass individuals. On the flight deck we have our fair share but we know who they are and their freedom to exercise their traits is very limited in the cockpit.

Conversely, there are two issues here. (Please don't take this the wrong way) The market pays workers commensurate with their skills not their hardships. Many of you will have been nurses in a past life and will know what I mean. In this area there is little you can do. The other issue has already been discussed and that is Union representation. This is the best way of improving your conditions.

Now I don't propose to patronise you as to why F/D enjoy better conditions than you because those of you who are hardliners, if you're honest with yourselves, will know why.

We do rely on you to ensure the safety of our passengers; we couldn't do the job without you. There's no excuses for bad CRM on the part of the F/D but you get @rseholes in all walks of life and our profession is no exception. In the face of adversity, stay professional, at least you'll still have your pride.

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Very funny, Scotty. Now beam up my clothes!