Looking from the outside
 

Befree, you pointed out the financial mismanagement that your CEO seems to be spinning, and making a mountain, look like a mole hill is good work.

However, BoB, you seem like a very loyal crewmember for which I'm sure Silverjet are very grateful. from what I hear... they need them! However your comment below is scary..
Silverjets number spinning and sprinkling fairy dust on the financial books to make things look rosey will not bode well for your suppliers, and customers. Befree pointed out that the figures are indeed incorrect, and that shouldn't be forgotten, just to spare some emotional grief.

Silverjet needs to wake up, and make changes to there ineffiecient aircraft, which seem probed with technical issues!

Silverjet WILL go bust and pretending to the financial markets that they are doing very well, sending out "facts" (and I use the term loosely) like below!

Suppliers, Crew, Investors, and Customers, will only be fooled for so long!

Sphere

I hate spin and playing with numbers to make dreadful numbers look good. I understand that to get funding the CEO has to come as close to being dishonest as he can without actualy telling a lie. The airline has expanded too quickly. It should be getting the first service profitable before moving on. At the end of working with one plane it managed 80% load factor. Adding extra planes too fast means every sector is making a loss. The oil price is very high so the airline should be waiting to expand to when or if the conditions get better. I do feel sorry for the staff who have joined an airline that has started at just the wrong time.

While there is a bit of spin in that sentence it is also true as Silverjet did indeed have lower fuel per sector as they flew shorter routes!

What they really need to compare would be fuel cost per 1000 miles flown or something like that, that would show a like for like comparison.

What are the crew attritian rates like!?

hi there
 

I was just wondering how long it usually takes before you hear anything back after having sent an application??

Thanks

Does Silverjet have 120 min ETOPS?
 

Remember, Maxjet was never qualified for 120 minute or greater ETOPS, meaning their flights were all operated under the 60 minute rule. This could have caused them to spend significantly more on fuel. I agree that a comparison needs to be made on cost per pound or 1000 miles or some other method.

Does Silverjet have 120 min ETOPS or are they operating under the same rule that MY was?

Silverjet has 180 minutes ETOPS. we plan our flights using 138mins

Massive fuel savings compared to less than 120mins :ok:

Im a Silverjet Pilot... Sorry for intruding into your forum. I just thought Id answer the etops question for ya!

PS. I'll just add that we have the nicest bunch of Cabin crew ya could ever ask for! A pleasure to work with you all. :D

Thanks. Well that solves our fuel issue. Regardless of what the comparison was between Y7 and MY, MY clearly spent significantly more on fuel due to not being certified for ETOPS. It's unlikely they would have been certified anytime soon either given the massive number of mechanicals, diversions, and tech issues. The white ghost seemed to be grounded more than it was in the air, plus the announced idea of using one of the 762's as a "spare" is clearly not a financially responsible use of assets.

Even given all this, I still think it's possible that Y7 is only trailing MY in time. Time will tell.

I will respectfully disagree with you on that!

I think we will do just fine.

I will now leave the Cabin crew forum and crawl back into the flightdeck!!!

ops I did it again! x

Advice Please!!!
 

Hi, I was reading your post- great info, but im in abit ov a dilema. I am working for Emirates Airline based in dubai. do bout 5-6 flights a month with alot ov time off really, pay is ok, around £1200- £1300 a month transport to and from wrk and lovely company accom for free. I have an interview for Silverjet as I a wanting to return home. but my home in UK is in Cheshire, maybe I will have to move to nearer if I got job. I would really apprieciate if you could tell how much you get a month. also do crew comute and how long are your layovers? oh and is it true you have to find own accom while training.
reading some ov the threads im not sure my making a good decision, even flying back for the interview.

:rolleyes:

silverjet
 

I have to say after sitting here for hours reading all coments on Silverjet I have made my mind up not to go for the interview which is end of month. I realise that like most airlines and jobs have there problems. I am pleased I have read all comments and find this info very helpful, as I may have been making a big mistake. I am working for Emirates airline and think I may continue to stay as the perks are great, and the trips are ok too.:)

Be very careful with SJ

A friend had a pilots interview with them recently and although they were supposed to let him know before Christmas they have only in the last few days told him of the oucome despite numerous phone calls and emails.

Sounds just like BA then. It seems that the aviation industry has much to learn.

Chezdubai - of course you are entitled to your decision, but the negative comments on this forum are posted by a minority. Bare in mind that SJ has grown in numbers and despite the two people who post to the contrary, the majority of crew are extremely happy.
I too used to work for Emirates and can say with all honesty that the move for myself was a good one. Feel free to PM me if you have any concerns or anything you would like clarifying.

With regards to the waiting time on interviews, SJ are no different to any other carrier, BA, Emirates etc, you cannot take this as an indication of what a company are like to work for.

Safe flying to all.;)

llanfairpg

It's very simple, they offered Job to another Pilot he said no for whatever reason. They then offer to your Pilot friend :\

Re: Recruitment Replies
 

Many thanks for all of your contributions. As I am sure many are aware, the initial new year period is a very busy time. Not just for Silverjet, but also for individuals. Could it be a possibility that our recruitment team were awaiting responses from a number of individuals before they made their announcement about successful candidates? Just a speculation...

I hope everybody is having a successful New Year so far, may it be a prosperous one for all...

Regards

Bob

With simplicity such as that I can see why you are angry and in Purley.

I would add that the pilot that went in in front of my colleague for the interview was advised (selected) a couple of days later which says little for their interview techniques and selection procedures. I would advise they take up references very carefully!

hey got an interview with silverjet,
been reding the posts on here
but can it really be that bad ??

Fao Speedbird...
 

Hi there,

Unfortunately the majority of the posts on here do seem very one sided. To be honest, a lot of our crew do not post on here, and do not even look at the site...

From my perspective, I have been with Silverjet since the very beginning, and I am very happy. As a start up airline things needed a little time to sort out teething issues. We have more and more crew coming on line now, so any issues with rostering etc will be rectified very shortly.
I love my job, and will always be a devoted advocate for us...

Come for your interview, and make your own mind up! Thats the best piece of advice I can give...

Good luck if you decide to go for it...

BoB

hello
 

I applied for a cabin crew position with silverjet in mid december. I haven't heard anything and I was wondering if I will get a rejection email if im not selected? basically whether I can expect to hear from them or now.

Cheers

Silverjet - Next Dest SFO / LAX ?
 

Me thinks that the next new route for SJ will be west cost USA... SFO/LAX...

Info please
 

Hi,

Please could someone who is currently working for Silverjet let me know the following.

Generally....

1) What is the minimum amount of time you get off downroute?
2) What is the minimum amount of time you get off on a b2b when back?
3) On average what would a main crew member take home (I am aware it vaires, but on average)?
4) What is the standby call out time?
5) Do people commute by public transport from far away? How possible is this?

Thanks and safe travels

:)

lol
 

well things aint looking all that good for the jet having 2 major inversors pull out and them cancelling there 4th and 5th aircraft hmmmmmm i feel a maxjet coming on

Firstly, the next two aircraft have not been cancelled they arrive as planned in March/April !!!!!!

Secondly, investors have not pulled out. With the current low share price an investor decided to not convert a loan into equity !

I,ll get back to ya in march/april see what happens

HotelHopper...
 

In response to your queries...

1. Our minimum time down route is at least 24 hours...
2. Minimum time between a back to back is 26 hours
3. Average salaries are very dependant on duties, if you check previous
posts on FDP, and do the calculations you can roughly work out how
much you would earn per trip... Multiply that by the average 5.5 trips
per month, and add it to your basic salary...
4. SBY call out time is 90 minutes
5. We have crew commute from the Algarve, Eastern Europe and Northern
England... Anything is possible.

Hey Vainbone. Long time no speak! Galley FM rears it's ugly head again and people are believing everything they read in the papers. If you can bide time until March/April, I hope (in the nicest sentiment) that the slander launched by the press is proven wrong! I hope all things are well with you!

Accuracy Please!
 

Shame on you Vainbone. Investors have not pulled out. You need to (nay Must) be much more precise and careful when commenting on these important matters.

Here are the facts:-

Quote "Silverjet today announces that TFB will not be converting its £10 million
convertible loan into new Silverjet ordinary shares at 60 pence per share.


As a result, TFB forgoes its conversion rights whilst Silverjet still benefits
from the £10 million loan on highly attractive terms of LIBOR plus 200bps until
it is repayable on 17 December 2009.

TFB said:

"Because of recent market conditions, we have decided not to exercise our right
to convert our loan to Silverjet into equity. Instead we will continue to work
with the company and monitor its performance going forward. We continue to
believe the company has a sound business model and excellent prospects for the
future to become a major player in the global aviation business."



NB: 'Right to convert'!

SJ Share price largely a function of present Stock Market conditions.

SJ will be fine. Wait and see. You have to take the big picture into account.
Well said 8ache.

I hope SJ does get its 4/5th aircraft but working for the originating company I have heard the opposite, that Thomsonfly will now be keeping their 762's

Where are you getting this rubbish from ?

The two aircraft are signed for and will be arriving in 1 and 1/2 months time. Trust me I know !!!!!!!

Bob gave some AMAZING advice earlier that seems to have been overlooked.

GO TO THE INTERVIEW. If you're lucky enough to get one, take it. Go along and see what the company is all about. I work for BA at the moment and, to be honest, would be mad to leave what I currently enjoy for anything less than FSM/CSD/Whatever at Silverjet and that's why I don't work with the company.

I went for an interview back in Feb of 07 and was offered the job of Service Coordinator. It was a fairly difficult decision to make when I chose to turn the offer down, but if I hadn't been with BA, I wouldn't have thought twice.

The airline is run by a management team with passion for the company and a passion for service. The product offered onboard is amazing - the service offered on the ground is spectacular.

I fitted in with all of SJ's requirements for the Number One grade on their flights but they didn't even acknowledge that when I went for the interview. That annoyed me a little. The assumed I was applying for Main Crew and that was what put me off a bit.

Nevertheless, to make a decision based solely on what you read here would be shortsighted.

Get both sides of the argument for/against accepting a position with this company.

DO bear in mind, though, that with EOS' announcement that they will begin flying to DXB in direct competition with Silverjet, I fear Silverjet is facing some fairly difficult times ahead.

ah thank you for those wise words 8che

Only what i've been told from "up high"
I did make it quite clear it was only what I had heard I do hope Tfly get rid of those vile flying sheds however I do not appreciate being shot down and told I am talking rubbish.

No go away and play nicely with your toys.

I hear they are calling crew downroute in the middle of the night and off loading crew downroute to cover flights the following day, sounds a nightmare, anyone know can they force you to do that legally? just curious

dual - sounds a bit extreme but yes this is legal providing proper notice is given:\

Legal as long as a rest period is not disturbed as this would mean the rest period will start again from when they took the call, for instance if you are on 12 hours rest and crewing contact you during this period then your 12 hours start again from the time of the call.

In addition if your down route on rest and they call you to operate a later flight, and your due a day off you can refuse as 7 days notice is the norm for a day off change, they can not force you to give up a day off.

Between airlines really depends whats in the contract. Some airlines might have something like that in the contract. For instance like force draft for BA pilots where they have to give up a day off.

Yeah, it really does depend on the airline and the contract. As long as it does not contradict CAA minimum requirements then it is legal. I once flew for an airline that would not let you leave the hotel before 1000 local time down-route in case of a change. This same airline would also count two of your clear days down-route (we used to have 6 in POP and CUN) as days off towards your 8-in-a-month allocation.

In this case with Silverjet, from an outsiders standpoint, as long as minimum rest is achieved after the phone call, then you would be obliged to operate the change - unless your agreement specifically states otherwise.

I heard the next day would have been standby and undisturbed rest prior to change was disturbed. makes you wonder what they would have done if there was another problem and the change couldnt be actioned, just curious thanks for the answers.

Wish we had these rules in the Private Bizjet world, sometimes phone never stops ringing during rest with changes to flight etc.

Crew compliment
 

Just wondering if some Silverjet crew can help me. I'm doing an assignment for uni and I have a few questions regarding the service and crew compliment.

I guess there is one inflight manager for each flight. Is this a serving position, or is it galley based? What do they actually do?

How many service co-ordinators are there?

How many cabin crew are there?

I realise there are no trollies but is it still a four corner service from the forward and rear galleys?

Sorry for all the questions but any insight would be big help. Cheers!

One year and 6 mths flying then incharge of the aircraft !! Can this be true ?? One of my friends has just told me.