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lowerlobe 19th July 2006 09:35

QCC2,

I like the idea of a play but as long as it is not a Shakespearean comedy where the protagonist usually gets done over big time when everything that can go wrong usually does....

How about these for an idea for a title..."The Merchant of Mascot"......."Midsummers night dream in Mascot" ...or my favourite ..."MacDarth"


We all know who would play the role of Shylock but I would like to know what the pound of flesh he will inevitably want is going to cost...

Taildragger67 19th July 2006 11:37


Originally Posted by qcc2
lowerlobe we are not doomed but it becomes very difficult to negotiate or get engaged if the other side is not interested in ideas or options.:ugh: as for ideas how to approach the next eba keep a close eye on the domestic pilots outcome (whenever that may happen).
i know of a few collegues (and my humble being included) have presented ideas which would give them more flexibility, without infringing the EBA, ideas to save money etc. as usual the go into the black hole in QCC4 and disappear. maybe the turn up one day when someone in there needs to justify their jobs. := one tries very hard not to have a shot at anyone personal/collectively, but given the state of the department, politics, nepatism etc. we might try to write a comedy play and publish it on the internet. come to think of it, its not a bad idea.:D

If you write something to them and later they present it as their idea, ping 'em for breach of copyright :} .

Copyright exists in letters (as literary works) from the moment they're written. And you don't have to put any marks on them, to indicate copyright - it simply subsists or it doesn't.

Might have little effect re the overall negotiation but it would put on record that they're nicking ideas := and open the question as to why it was rejected when first presented.

Lurker@L5 19th July 2006 21:32

"The Merry Managers of Mascot"
or
"The Taming of the Crew"

Act 1 Sc 1.

Kev: "So what do you think of my views of Balmoral Beach ? Its serious money in HR! Here (throws new f/a the keys) you can drive the Porsche. We'll swing by Leslie's house for a bottle of Cloudy Bay - the filtered views of Lady Macquarie's Chair are to die for!
Then its out to Mascot to continue to screw down those ungrateful, spoilt long haul cabin crew.
Tonight its drinks with Singo & Geoff -we're looking at putting together a $30m TV commercial - Geoff reckons we'll use 300 school kids! Should be a belter. "I still call the flying Australian public a bunch of suckers!"
What sayest thou fair hostie?"
F/A: "Onward thou brave Qantas Manager"

qcc2 19th July 2006 22:27

priceless
 
:} :} :} :D :D :D

Shlonghaul 20th July 2006 02:14

Well Doneth Lurker
 
:D :D :D Thou have done outstanding work Lurker. Can't waiteth for Act 1 Scene 2. Just one question where does Bottom fit into this? Perhaps starring Action J? Must goeth now as one wishes to relax & unwindeth with a glass of finest mead.
Well doneth Sir Lurker of Stratford/Mascot Upon Avon
:D :D :D

Lurker@L5 20th July 2006 05:37

Act 1 ScII
 
Scene: The Qantas Boardroom

Kev: Hail thy fat Falstaff -you looketh like that pile of human sludge Toomey! An look fair hostie here cometh his side kick The Clown -you'll knoweth him by his Bow Tie!

Well met freinds!

Clown: We heareth there is still much gold to be made at Qantas . The workers are ripe for the fleecing.

Falstaff: Like two dogs to our vomit we return to the scene our our greatest pillage. What say you to a performance bonus! Fair hostie wench - a glass of sack for we senior managers and be quick about it!

Kev: (aside) Forsooth, 'tis Ground
Hog day.

Lurker@L5 20th July 2006 14:37

Act 1 ScIII
 
Scene:Upon the Mascot moors.
Enter King Lear Jet accompanied by his sychophantic Italian servant -
"Howl , howl , howl thou jet blast! Why Il Duce do my people hate me? A plague upon my senior management team for bringing us thus low!
My employees loathe me -and 5 minutes of folly on the photo -copying machine and my Queen's heart is colder than an aircraft chiller unit! Ah, that there were but a reset switch for her heart!"
Duke of Borghett: "Still thy beating heart good sire! Indeed , your haughty, condescending manner doth rub the employees the wrong way . And as you Know the Earl of Hewitt's report brings bad tidings.
Lo Australian Airlines was not your greatest idea , Jetstar Asia continues to bleed the royal purse dry , the slot at LHR is a white elephant and Lord Greigg completely botched the hedging job you gave him with the oil barrels but other than that........
My daughter doth despise me and now my physicians tell me I am soon for that eternal purgatory -the hangar for the A380.
But before I go Borg - bring me that dog's scrotum - that two faced traitor , that blaggard -MAURICE !
He that would steal the workers' secrets then sell his soul to the company in exchange for his forty pieces - a place in Hades is set aside for him along with Sheer & Lance!
Enter guards with Maurice bound -
Lear Jet : (produces rapier from under cloak-stabs) :"Take this thy scumbag you and your casuals will rot in Hell!" A generation of Australian full time jobs destroyed by you, you little prick!"
Now where be the Clown ? methinks he covets my CEO job. Last night I didst hear him refer to my stewardship as A COMEDY OF ERRORS!
There is treachery afoot in the board room. Where is the idiot son Goanna Jnr?

Quickly -a horse a horse -my airline for a horse - or even a train - anything but these unprofitable, stale and weary pieces of aluminium tubing!

Let us away Borg . tonight I tell the board and management that they are going to eat one big !!!! sandwich - no performance bonuses & a 20% pay cut to show my people we too can be role models.
But first I must ring Singo. I wonder perchance if he still has Liz's phone number . Now there be a bosom a king may find solace in !
Let us Away
(Exuent King Lear Jet & Borg.)

surfside6 20th July 2006 18:00

???
 
Aside from the self indulgent nonsense, where is the AVIATION content?:confused:

lowerlobe 20th July 2006 21:11

Surfside6 .....A sense of humour goes a long way especially in this business ...

There is nothing preventing you from posting "AVIATION content" if you prefer....

sydney s/h 20th July 2006 22:00

Isn't the LHR base actually a financial success?

I have heard that they have saved a substantial amount of money up to this point - more than they had intended.

And from first hand experiance the crew onboard are very good.

Now - DO NOT attack me. I was just wondering why people are saying that the base is still a flop.

I'm not in the base nor do i care to go there. I'm Australian based crew so get that thought outta your head before you unleash on me.

lowerlobe 20th July 2006 22:41

Sydney S/H,

I suppose it depends who told you that it is a success and I suppose that on board service is very subjective.With most airlines you can get horror stories or ones that are full of praise depending on who you are talking to.

It also depends on what your definition is of a success.

Personally I would like to see an audit company's figures of not only the LHR base but also BKK as well not to mention LAX and JFK's as well.

I'm sure that the LHR based crew are being told that it is an overwhelming success but then you would expect that as all of us know what controlled information we are fed in QCC1 and at the roadshows.

If it is as much of a success as we are told then why are they not publishing the figures pre base and post base....and not just on the wall in the LHR office.

Politicians and others constantly bend and twist numbers to get when they want something or to justify their decisions so although it is still working I can't help but be cynical..

The proof of the pudding will be in Dec 2007 when our EBA expires and if the LHR Base is as good as they say they will want to expand it when the overseas cap will probably be lifted substantially if not completely.If it is saving money then they will be looking at using the LHR base crew to do FRA's as under the current system over there they can pax a crew to FRA from LHR then operate to Sin easily then when they return to FRA just pax them back to LHR again.

Think of how much money that would save the company..no more accomodation costs in Mainz or allowances not to mention overtime....Darth would be very happy

sydney s/h 20th July 2006 23:06

Lower,
thanks for the feedback.

I agree that the onboard service is subjective, you can have a good crew from any base on any day and vice versa.

I am not privy to any financial reports so i certainly cannot say that it has been a success, just from what i had heard (which i suppose doesnt mean alot!).

You think that your o/s base cap will be lifted next EBA? Thats one thing that you should really try and hold onto.

qcc2 20th July 2006 23:11

there are limits
 
LL/Sydsh i agree there are different comments made by various camps as to the success of the lhr base. fiancially i think its a coverup. from my personal experience having taken over a number of aircrafts from lhr crews its a mixed bag (so is the rest of qf). but i cant see them paxing in and out of fra as uk flight duty limitations for cabin crew make this most likely impossible.:ugh:
jus a reminder that most countries in the world now have flight duty limitations (that includes all our asian competitors as well) for cabin crew. you might want to write to casa and ask why Australia hasn't got their act together:ugh:
casa's ceo is bruce byron and he can be contacted at
[email protected]

lowerlobe 21st July 2006 00:19

Sydney S/H,

As far as the cap increasing I don't have any firm information but I would not bet any money that it won't .The company would certainly love to lower costs especially with fuel the way it is and that is why I suggested a "B" pay scale as a way of preventing L/H going the way of the dinosaurs.

The VR package has to be in this afternoon at 5pm and there will be more than a few crew working out the pro's and con's over whether to take it not I imagine

QCC2,As far as CASA is concerned time will tell but I think there are always a lot of backroom politics being played in relation to anything that may cost the company any more.

When I was in LAX a few weeks ago lining up for the security screening for the JFK shuttle I was talking to an American F/H .Interestingly she said it was illegal for them to do a tour of duty such as we were.Shen then asked about what happens when an extension to that TOD was asked for .I told her we would hold a vote and if it was unanimous then we might or might not do the extended TOD.She looked in amazement and I asked if they did not hold votes in their airline and she said yes they did but it was not unanimous ,if one crew member voted NO then the whole crew voted NO....

Have you emailed Mr Byron and if you did ,what did he say?

qcc2 21st July 2006 02:24

no
 
i haven't emailed casa thats the lh faaa job. as our reps they should be looking at those issues a lot more, which we all know is sadly neglected (remember some of our hidious patterns). :sad:
came across a lh csm who does the regulatory work for shorthaul. i believe he was a previous lh union rep. http://www.faaadomestic.org.au/allairlines/nat05-06.htm
under regualtory affairs report you can see they are doing something. :D
the american collegue you spoke to is right in regard to FAA regulations.
(http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text...6.10.4&idno=14
google is a wonderful research tool:D

twiggs 21st July 2006 06:03


Originally Posted by qcc2
i haven't emailed casa thats the lh faaa job.

Which begs the question, "why did you post the email address?"

lowerlobe 21st July 2006 08:27

Quote from Twiggs,

"Which begs the question, "why did you post the email address?"

Perhaps it is a way of subtly reminding the FAAA that it is their job to do things like that and to let us know the result !!!!

Interesting that S/H FAAA has seen fit to employ GM because of his talents but not our union.I hope we are not disadvantaged by losing his expertise and contacts but thats politics I suppose.

sagy34 21st July 2006 14:21

QCC2

If you think that it is the FAA's job to let managment know that rules are being broken, then you shouldn't be flying!!!!

Our job is all about safety, isn't it!!!!:ok:

Stop hiding from the problem and do something about it.:=

Rememeber (if you have bothered to do the research) CASA does have a anonymous reporting system if you are scared of reprimand.:D

Remember safety is always our priority:ok:

woblewomble 21st July 2006 16:16

As told to me by F/A who talked to jeff her self YOU WILL HAVE A JOB BUT YOU WONT LIKE IT. From the man himself.

qcc2 22nd July 2006 00:15

some of you are missing the point
 
:D the reason that i posted the ceo email address is a subtle reminder to the faaa (and encourage individuals to get involved) that they are not doing their job. :ugh: sagy we dont have any legislated rules only industrial agreements(the old cliche of self assessment is still around).and yes,as an individual you can send in a anonymous reporting complaining about certain safety concerns/issues, i am aware of it. the overall aim of the discussion is to get the faaa proactive and bring ALL aussie cabin crew in line with worlds best practise and have flight duty limititons/ fatigue management system legislated.:D


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