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flash8 15th Jan 2017 21:09

Sacked for a Sandwich...
 
EasyJet air hostess was sacked because she ate bacon sandwich 'given by her manager' | Daily Mail Online

Words utterly fail me.

onetrack 16th Jan 2017 03:54


"easyJet has settled this matter with Ms Gleeson and so cannot comment in any further detail other than to say that we have clear and well-understood policies and the honesty of our employees is really important."
I'd love to see just how the same honesty policy applies to managers, senior managers, and CEO's, who are usually quite happy to constantly be in receipt of company largesse - with that often-substantial largesse rarely, or never sighted, by lower-ranking employees.

downunder35 16th Jan 2017 11:42

What a disgusting airline management practice, not to mention the morals of the "team member" who dobbed the hostie in. Sound a real fun place. I'd rather catch the bus than ever fly again with easyjet.

noflynomore 16th Jan 2017 12:11

err - onetrack, the manager got fired too! Largesse isn't a common sight at Easyjet, one of the meanest companies in existence. You are clearly a stranger to Easyjet and it's ways if you think otherwise.

It has been well understood, I mean utterly and completely 100% understood for years that the EJ policy on pax food is you either buy it or are sacked for taking it, even if large quantities of it do go in the bin at the end of the day. Crew food on EJ is not only pretty poor but completely insufficient in quantity so at the end of a long day crew are famished. It is very hard to see boxfulls of bacon sarnies and croque monsieurs going into the bin at that point, but take one at your peril as there are sneaks everywhere, as this poor girl found out. One might hope that the sneak gets the treatment he/she deserves from colleagues - they certainly won't get the kudos they thought they were earning from management who seem to encourage this sort of behaviour. It doesn't make for a happy crew community. There seems to be an underculture of shopping colleagues apparently to curry favour with management and it isn't entirely limited to the cabin. To be fair there is also a much, much larger culture of outright systematic theft of inflight goods/cash which has prompted this policy. The annual figures for theft/embezzlement in the cabin are simply eye-watering (partly because EJ is such a huge company) so you can't really blame the company for trying to protect their interests.
So draconian is this policy that most Captains fear to instruct an issue of pax food even when crew catering does not materialise and prefer to operate in an unsafely unfed condition! That's how seriously people take it.
One feels sorry that a good crewmember loses their job for a five buck sandwich but everyone knows the rules. Everyone.

noflynomore 16th Jan 2017 12:35

TA, I think it is pathetic to slam a company for trying to prevent six-figure theft per annum.
Clearly you do not which implies you condone workplace theft. I wonder what your employer (if you have one) makes of that?

750XL 16th Jan 2017 13:15

Why shouldn't she be sacked for theft? :ugh:

You'd get sacked for this in any retail environment so why should on board an aircraft be any different?

As for crew being 'famished' by the end of their working day, perhaps they could adopt the concept of bringing a packed lunch like 99% of workers in the UK do :D :bored:

noflynomore 16th Jan 2017 13:21

750, Packed lunch? I guess you are unfamiliar with the lifestyle of EJ crews making such a suggestion. There aren't enough hours in the day to shop for and make packed lunches.
Besides, it is provided contractually and aircrew notionally pay several hundred pounds per year for the quite inadequate crew food, they are severely short-changed for it imo. Why should they provide their own?

TA, the EJ "culture", if I may so misuse the word, is simple. It is PROFIT, PROFIT, PROFIT. They reckon to roughly break even on ticket revenue and the huge profits they make come almost entirely from ancilliary sales in which the trolleys play a large part. If crew eat the pax sarnies they aren't available for sale and the company, and indirectly the crews, lose money. Some grey-faced little gnome in an accounts office will do the usual multiplication and come out with a figure of £Millions of potential profit disappearing down crews' throats. Plus cc are paid a bonus based on the in-flight sales they make. If one or two scoff the stock the rest can't sell them and are disadvantaged.
If there were unlimited quantities of this stuff and it was handed out free there would be less of a problem, but it isn't. Quantities are very limited and often sell out. You can't have crew routinely helping themselves, can you? A line has to be drawn somewhere - you say"take something off the trolley". Where do we draw the line? A sandwich? Paco Rabanne? Chanel? Clearly the only sensible policy is None. Not that it stops the Paco Rabanne etc walking. No doubt the scale of that is reflected in the hard line the company takes to safeguard it's interests among the bacon butties. It is at least consistant.

onetrack 16th Jan 2017 13:29

noflynomore - No, I'm not familiar with Easyjets style of management, but I have noted the regular reference to their management and CEO as being mean-spirited.
To ban employees from taking food that is most likely going to be thrown away is mean-spirited in the extreme.

I'm coming from a position where I have employed a lot of people over a long period of time, and have employed up to 100 employees at the one time, but not in aviation.
Yes, control over employee pilfering is a big problem once your operation becomes sizeable - but company control procedures have to make allowances for petty pilfering, it goes on in every operation and is just a cost of doing business.

However, once pax have been served, and food is surplus, I see no reason why crew shouldn't be allowed access to the now-surplus food.
Hungry employees don't make for happy employees - and in the industries I've operated in, where employees are often working in remote locations, they are fed, and fed well - and often the good morale of an operation, and satisfactory performance by employees, hangs on the quality of the food supplied.

I note the judge in this case slammed Easyjet for its poor internal procedures and record-keeping, thus showing they are prepared to jump on minor infringements of company policy, but they are lax on putting clearly-outlined and defined procedures in place, to stop employee rorting.

If the lass in question had been filling a hamper with food to take home to family and friends - well, yes, that would definitely constitute a job-loss offence.

There's nothing more galling in the corporate arena than mean-spirited actions over food. Management and CEO's spend lavishly on corporate meals and entertainment functions - but deny their employees a bite when they're peckish?
Even during the depths of the Great Depression in the early 1930's, farm people would always provide a bite for hungry job seekers travelling the roads.
In my years operating in farming areas, a feed was nearly always on offer at virtually every farmhouse if you rolled up at mealtime, no matter if you weren't even an employee of the farmer.

750XL 16th Jan 2017 13:37


750, Packed lunch? I guess you are unfamiliar with the lifestyle of EJ crews making such a suggestion. There aren't enough hours in the day to shop for and make packed lunches.
EJ crew work no longer days/hours than millions of people across the UK, myself included, and I manage to find 2minutes in the morning to knock up a sandwich and packet of crisp for my 14 hour shifts :\

Similarly, Ryanair crew seem to have successfully survived over the years without crew food :}


Why should they provide their own?
If I was 'famished' by the end of my working day, I'd spend an extra few quid from my own pocket to ensure I don't starve to death :E

pax britanica 16th Jan 2017 15:33

Just sums up 21st century Uk. Mean spirited profit obsessed company (there is a difference between making a decent profit and taking it too extremes) has procedures which are imposed without a seconds thought.
Ok this girl broke the rules but -to take advantage of another 21st century obsession-waste and the environment they condone a policy that means unused food should be thrown away -of course it should not so rather than trying to defend the girls actions if you want to have go at Ez highlight the anti environment policies of the company after all people don't count these days so no point in trying to take their side.

Iwas just becoming convinced to use EZ but if whats on this thread is true about the way they treat people then I will treat them the same way.

flash8 16th Jan 2017 15:52

It is unbelievable, although the comment the Manager made about refusing Coffee really emphasised to me how draconian the Company is.

If crew fear instant dismissal (and likely a poor reference at best) for minor infractions (and this lets face it isn't major) what does that imply regarding morale?

Having worked for an Airline where such practices would have not raised an eyebrow and where the crews actually felt relaxed without looking over their shoulders I know where I stand.

The poor girl should have been given a verbal warning, probably would have scared her never to do such a thing again. But dismissal? Way out of line.

KelvinD 16th Jan 2017 16:01

It seems to me she wasn't sacked for stealing the butty. She was sacked for failing to ask her manager (he who donated it) if he had a receipt for it. She may have done alright out of it though, with Easyjet "settling out of court".

Armchairflyer 16th Jan 2017 16:06

The "culture" of this airline apparently stands out enough to even make it into scholarly articles: http://preview.tinyurl.com/h9x448d, table 3 (p. 91).

crablab 16th Jan 2017 16:06


Originally Posted by flash8 (Post 9642926)
It is unbelievable, although the comment the Manager made about refusing Coffee really emphasised to me how draconian the Company is.

That was farcical really. That he wouldn't accept a hot drink without proof that his friend had purchased it... :ugh:

GGR155 16th Jan 2017 16:22

Surely a verbal or written warning on file could have done the job here? To part company with a trained experienced member of the EJ CC seems harsh. If she had been found with several of these items stashed in her crew bag then maybe......

flyer_doc 16th Jan 2017 17:53

Isn't it a bit odd trusting someone with a several million pound aircraft, but not a £4.50 sandwich?

I think this EasyJet policy is simple, logical, and entirely wrong - unless the aim is to make cc scared and frightened, which as we all know from human factors, makes for an attentive and creative employee (not)

not working with the paco raban though is it?

Chris the Robot 16th Jan 2017 18:08


I'd love to see just how the same honesty policy applies to managers, senior managers, and CEO's, who are usually quite happy to constantly be in receipt of company largesse - with that often-substantial largesse rarely, or never sighted, by lower-ranking employees.
A few years back I was working for a well-known state owned organisation when I needed to make a domestic business trip. This was during a time when the senior management (and the public in general) wanted to see costs reduced and excesses severely curbed.

I'd selected a hotel (one of the cheapest at about £60/night) with my line manager and it turned out to be unavailable, the fellow from the corporate travel agency recommended one that was a few quid a night more, I said I'd need to check that with my manager.

Manager was fine with it, spoke to the corporate travel agent and he said to me, "you're being very honourable about this but there's really no need to be, I regularly see execs and the investment bankers from your place book hotels at £500/night just for parties".

Says a lot about modern society really.

From the 50's to the 90's a relative of mine worked at a well known brewery, all the employees got free gourmet food, there was a sports and social association complete with a company farm, there were Christmas events put on for the families of the employees. The employees were provided with quality housing owned by the company, rents were affordable and there was an option to purchase. One of the descendants of the founders was often found mucking in with the operations and this was one of the world's largest drinks producers.

Shame that this sort of thing has all but disappeared in favour of the bottom line.

KayPam 16th Jan 2017 19:25


Originally Posted by 750XL (Post 9642744)
Why shouldn't she be sacked for theft? :ugh:

You'd get sacked for this in any retail environment so why should on board an aircraft be any different?

As for crew being 'famished' by the end of their working day, perhaps they could adopt the concept of bringing a packed lunch like 99% of workers in the UK do :D :bored:

Maybe because airport security is going to confiscate half the food they try to get on board ?

UK airport security is, in my short experience, the worst in the world. (worst=most ridiculously severe)

Simplythebeast 16th Jan 2017 19:41

All's well that ends well I say. She is now able to go off and have her baby assisted by an undisclosed wedge from Easyjet. Even better in view of the fact that she has a nut allergy and no longer needs to work for a bunch of nuts.
What the hell would have been wrong with a written warning to personally emphasise the policy instead of sacking her requiring the recruitment and training of a replacement which will no doubt cost marginally more than an easyjet bacon butty.

noflynomore 16th Jan 2017 22:19

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