At the risk of appearing to think outside the box, it's also entirely possible the flight wasn't overbooked, but due to unserviceable seats on the day, the aircraft had to operate with reduced capacity. This can happen for a number of reasons.
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A and C : I have every sympathy with you but taking a dispassionate view, I see that you have stated that you arrived 'at check in time' and 'in good time' but you you have not specified the exact time you arrived at the check in desk. How far in advance of the scheduled departure time did you arrive at the check in or baggage drop desk? Queuing time is, unfortunately, irrelevant.
If you presented yourself at the check in desk after the flight closure time, then the airline had every right to deny you boarding. If you were the unfortunate victim of over-booking, which as pointed out is done by most airlines, then it's a very different situation. I hope you get your compensation and resultant costs, and I am sure that if you take your complaint to the top and are reasonable, you will. In my experience EZY are very fair over such matters. Over-booking is a necessary evil in the airline industry, as without overbooking flights would leave with empty seats, thus lost revenue, and higher fares for all. Flights are overbooked according to a profile based on expected no-show figures and sometimes they will get it wrong. 'Low Cost' carriers tend to over-book less than traditional network carriers but it is route/time/date dependent. |
Tableview
I was at the check in 1:20 before ETD.
I don't except that overbooking is acceptable with a loco as if you miss the flight you don't get your money back or transferred free of charge to another flight. So rather than with a legacy carrier who might find them selfs flying with empty seats that are not paid for the likes of easy jet always get the money for each of the seats they they have sold. In my opinion if you sell a seat that twice knowing that you are getting the money for that seat if it empty chancing that someone won't turn up that is openly dishonest. I paid for a time critical product and did not receive it because easy jet knowingly sold the seat twice, if took money on the high street for a product that you know you can't supply it would be called fraud. Easy jet are not a low cost airline they are a low service quality airline. Or in my case a no service airline. |
A and C,
Looking at the basic records that any employee can access, it appears that your flight was not overbooked. Your anger is understandable and the situation is regrettable, but I do think your conclusion is based on an assumption that is probably incorrect. |
Hundredpetcentplease
This I can't understand, do you have any idea why I was denied boarding if the flight was not full.
I would think the EZY management would like to know as much as i would why they are having to pay for compensation and hotels when seats are empty? Could the problems be wth the AGP handeling agents ? |
I was at the check in 1:20 before ETD. Easy jet are not a low cost airline they are a low service quality airline. Or in my case a no service airline. I don't except that overbooking is acceptable with a loco as if you miss the flight you don't get your money back or transferred free of charge to another flight. |
Tableview
That check in time was STD, ...... ETD was a slip of the finger on my part.
Now tell me what part of not getting the service that you have paid for you think is acceptable? |
Looking at the basic records that any employee can access, it appears that your flight was not overbooked. Your anger is understandable and the situation is regrettable, but I do think your conclusion is based on an assumption that is probably incorrect. |
Now tell me what part of not getting the service that you have paid for you think is acceptable? You say you checked in on time. It appears that the flight was not overbooked. So we have an immediate discrepancy here. When you buy a ticket for any form of transportation, it is a contract between two parties. As the carrier has obligations towards the passenger, so does the passenger have obligations towards the carrier and other passengers. I'm not saying that this is the case with you, but I have been involved in resolving cases where a passenger has presented himself late, or drunk, or clearly unfit to fly, or incorrectly documented ......... many situations can arise. Then the passenger blames everyone except himself. I'm not having a go at you, please don't take it that way, but we still don't know the reason why you were denied boarding. |
A and C,
I can only guess, but Friendly Dispatcher (above) has already done that. In my experience, seats can become unserviceable for many reasons - but normally down to passenger abuse. Defecation, urination, vomiting, cutting through the belt (I know, how does the knife get in there), sucking the belt (SA pax), children rubbing in mayo/ketchup, theft of the belt, mechanical failure of some part of the mechanism; that kind of thing. We carry spare seat bases, but that can only fix a limited number of seats and issues. In your case, as I stress, it appears that your flight was not overbooked. But to find out exactly why you were not boarded will probably be beyond even the customer service people you have to deal with. But it's a moot point anyway - it costs a huge amount to easyJet to put you up for the night and pay the compensation, so there will have been a very good reason for it and I know that all avenues will have been explored at the time (just to save the money!) Normally when this happens before boarding, it's the last person or people to check in or attempt to check in that get bumped. If the issue becomes apparent when people are on board, then volunteers are sought first (though it's a good decade since I have seen this actually happen). At easyJet we really do our best. We have good kit and good people, and it all works nearly all the time. But occasionally in aviation things don't go to plan, and pax can suffer. This time it was you, but I can assure you that there was no mal-intent nor fraud, just something that went wrong that couldn't be fixed on the day. |
Table view
I was on time, I was not drunk ( due to stby duty I had not had a drink in the last 24 hours) and all the paperwork was in order and I was not unfit to fly in any way. So all those reasonable excuses for offloading me are not applicable.
As you say I have an obligation to turn up on time and in a fit state to fly, I discharged those obligations. The party not discharging their obligations in the contract was Easyjet, this they did twice, first by deniging me boarding and second by attempting to short change me on the compensation. Dg800 I have presented the exact facts as they happened in post #49 above and it is these facts that I will present in court if I have to. However I don't think it will come to that because Easyjet's lawyers will advise them to settle this as they can't win and the publicity of the lack of service and deception over the compensation would not play well in the press. I don't like your tone as to suggesting that I am inventing this but will let this pass as long as it is not repeated. |
second by attempting to short change me on the compensation. If they did not give you the leaflet, then you have a very good case for complaint! |
A and C, I have been bumped off a Lufthansa flight a while ago, my girlfriend was bumped off recently from a KLM flight, my sister last year same thing on a KLM flight. This stuff happens and I am absolutely sure, that if it is easyJet's fault, they WILL compensate you.
A while ago we had to offload a number of passengers because one of our flight attendants became ill and we could only operate back with reduced crew hence reduced passenger loads. So that's an other possibility. |
PENKO
I would not be making this fuss if the reason was operational I understand that unforeseen happenings can result in delays & cancelations, however the reason I was given was overbooking.
Some of the posts above seem to indicate that there were seats on the aircraft, I have to wonder if the handling agent made a mistake. I was one of four pepole who did not get on the flight, the three other guys were also shortchanged on the compensation. V2 As I explained at the start of this I have a very sick wife at home and my attention was focused on making sure that she as attended to following me becoming unavailable if it is Easyjet's policy to stick a disadvantageous contract under the nose of someone who has far more important things to attend to in order to save €150 then I would like this to be made clear to the public. If this be the case my opinion of Easyjet's business ethnics will reach a new and all time low. |
I have presented the exact facts as they happened in post #49 above and it is these facts that I will present in court if I have to. However I don't think it will come to that because Easyjet's lawyers will advise them to settle this as they can't win and the publicity of the lack of service and deception over the compensation would not play well in the press. I don't like your tone as to suggesting that I am inventing this but will let this pass as long as it is not repeated. |
DG800
You have more or less accused me of being dishonest in your first post on this subject, I do take exception to this but was not too bothered about it. I just did not want to see it repeated.
This is intended to be a professional forum and on the whole some above disagree with me they but have all maintained a polite and objective stance. You however are rude from post one and the second abusive post of yours says all that the rest of the contributors to this forum need to know about you. |
Easyjet (with whom I personally have so far had very good service) are certainly not the only airline to induce annoyance by attempting to evade the full obligations imposed by EU regulation.
My wife and I had a protracted run-in with BA a couple of years ago after they cancelled the first leg of a round trip, put her on a much later flight, but failed to tell their computer which then declared her a "no show" and cancelled her return flight from Gibraltar. (and guess what, she was able to get a seat home on EZY) It took about 6 months of letter writing and the beginning of legal action before BA coughed up the compensation. If I were you I'd assume that EZY take a similar path of trying to get away with offering as little as possible in the hope you'll take it. The amount of money owed by the airlines for full compensation payments is probaly staggering. Just keep trying - you'll win in the end, even if it does take initiation of a Small Claims Court proceeding. That seemed to be the final tripping point for BA. |
Interesting that the aircraft was never overbooked. 180 pax booked, 179 travelled. Doesn't give much credence to A&C's claim of there being others who were also bumped.
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There is just too much going on in my life at the moment to have a long and difficult struggle to sort this out.
Easyjet have the details and are investigating as I speak, if their response is unsatisfactory I will simply take them to the small claims court. |
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An interesting first post, from what source did you get this information?
I can assure you that what I have said was 100 % true myself and three Spanish guys were bumped off the flight, and why would I want to invent this ? All I wanted was to travel to LGW on the flight I had booked and if they had the seat why did I not get to sit in it ? As I said the event is being investigated by EZY at the moment and taking rather longer than I had expected. I can think of one reason that this might why this might have happened and if this should turn out to be the case EZY are as much of a victim as I and the other offloaded pax are. |
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