GH,

You're absoloutely right. But . . I'm just dreaming :). I just think after 6 years we deserve a good gesture. A lot of people will say ' but you got given short haul jobs after AO ' . .Well I can agree partly, but for 90% of us it wasn't the dream job we had longed for and only the top 30 out of 250 of us got offered a slot down south. That leaves a lot of deserving people behind. Our dream was to get back down south as promised. ( AO southern base by mid 2003 ! ).

In addition to this no recognition of seniority and year one pay has since made us all poor. We have just had another junior crew member resign after having to sell her car because she is not getting anywhere near the same wage as AO. ( We were promised by QF no financial disadvantage after the closure of AO )

I know i am dreaming with BNE/SYD/MEL transfer or immediate LH transfer but the thought makes me finally feel apprecited, rewarded and happy.

QF SKY
( P.S - None of the above relates to the top 30 senior crew in CNS base who are wealtheir, happier and healthier than ever before - all because they started 7 months in front of most of us )

Qantas Perception Of Employees
 

You are a "unit of work"...not a human being with a life of friends or aspirations.
You are of no consequence.

Argus Moon,
Oh how unfortunate your post was...yet, it is so true!!!

It pains me to say this but the sooner we accept that hideous truth, the better
off we'll probably be.
All i try and do is fly under the radar, have fun on board with a (mostly) great bunch of people and look after the punters with the respect they deserve, seeing they pay my mortgage!! The company are not going to give a rats if I stay or go but as long as im having fun, thats all that matters to me!

Anyway, hope the Cairns crew get a good deal, on second through, I hope we all end u getting a good deal

Happy Flying

can anyone confirm that the 'short-term measures' are in fact the continuation of the port swaps? has that notice come out in the base? if anyone knows??

QCCA at short haul
 

Rumour mill has it that management will be making a play for that in the next short haul EBA...why wouldn't they? They are cheaper than Casuals, and why would short haul be the exception to long haul and Jetstar "B" scales.

Of course current F/A's would have to be stupid to accept it...unless you are intending to jump ship prior to the subsequent EBA and the carrot they dangle is HUGE...but then stranger things have happened before ie. the Regional flying EBA debarcle that got over the line.

I understand that that old fear factor/loss of flying/job chestnut was rolled out by managment prior to voting...but in 5 yrs time management at long haul will have enough QCCAs that they will be handing QF Airways crew their conditions-take it or leave it.

Anyway...Qantas management are light years ahead of our unions with future plans.

If you are looking at getting into flying now...I would suggest that you don't. You can earn more money these days waiting tables! Or perhaps just use it for 2 yrs to see a bit of the world.

'short-term measures'
 

I believe the company have deferred further discussions regarding short-term measures until Friday 20th June when they will be meeting with the union to discuss.

The over establishment of crew affects all bases, with Cairns being the most over crewed.

My guess is that they will introduce a leave burn program, and also LWOP. I guess the Cairns cabin crew probably don't have a lot of accrued leave, however anyone with over a certain amount will be forced to take it. They will also probably offer LWOP, and temporary part time.

yet they are still recruiting heavily in AKL.............

Unfortunately..................

I-robot
 

I don't want to add to the pall of gloom hanging over our CNS comrades,

BUT...............the same stench is floating around what happened to us in PER.. 4.5 years back when the "BA-gnome" pronounced :

"THE PER L/H BASE IS A REALLY SPECIAL PLACE......I WISH WE COULD REPLICATE IT ON THE EAST COAST !":{:{

The rest my dear friends is history.

Shattered dreams, Relocation nightmares, short team financial grief.

Remember that scene in........ I-ROBOT.....thats us:ouch:

Argus is on the money, -The current "regime" see us as a "unit" who opens the door if ( in the unlikely event) if there is a problem.

How long has Darth got to go?

Please tell me....... its only a matter of months !

Good Luck all of you in FNQ

Stubby Jumbo (or anyone else who knows)

When they closed the Per LH base how much notice where you given? What where your options? Did you get reloction assistance?

cheers
TW

trolley it all depends on what your domestc faaa can negotiate.

the PER base was long haul, you guys are under a different award

bla bla
Yes 32 transferred to LH
NO ONE tansferred to SH

fluffyderby and A_B_P
 

(...) but in 5 yrs time management at long haul will have enough QCCAs that they will be handing QF Airways crew their conditions-take it or leave it.

how accurate. QAL crew will than realise that the 3K bribe wasn't BIG enough.
alas. oh dear .... :ugh:

(...) You can earn more money these days waiting tables! (...)

again! how accurate!!! i have 2 freinds making twice more money than me doing that !!! :}

A_B_P ,

many thks for clarifying the confusion with the A days. that was driving me insane. it seems that atm not many people ( incl management ) know much about our conditions . thks once again.

now i have a question to ask and pls if anyone know the answer please explain.

scenario 1 _ my roster is blocked at 230 hours. during the course of the 2 mth period i accumulated 15 hours worth of disruption and delays...
in theory 230+15=245 which means 5 hours of OT. right ?
how am i suppose to know if/how am i getting paid for those extra 5 hours ? the system CIS in LH doesn't show anything at all. back in SH it would automatically change on ur line. apparently in ARMS it does. dodgy as...
even if my LA goes pear shaped and it turns out to be a 19 hour duty how do i keep track of the xtra hours ???
a QAL crew told me that what she does is she writes it down her xtra hours in a diary so she knows what is going on ? is that for real ? another one that has 26 years told me that still to this day she doesnt understand her pay slip. i guess if i got paid what she does i wouldnt bother either.

scenario 2 _ I had a duty cancelled. it was a PER rnt. worht 11.50 hours. i was than told u owe us 11.50 hours.
my next duty was delayed by approx 5 hours all up both ways. does that mean that i now owe the company 6.50 hours ? 11.50 - 5 ?
please help !!!

I was just about to write a response to your scenarios 1 and 2 and realised there are three ways I can think of to get the " right " answers.

As you pointed out many FA's dont understand their payslips but its got nothing to do with earnings but rather apathy.

I would pick up the phone to ask operations first and if not satisfied with that then call the FAAA. As tedious as it is to wade through the EBA document the answers are probably in there too.


If you have a duty cancelled then you will be pay protected for the same number of hours which can be recovered by assigning you a duty on A days. I dont know if QCCA crew can decline an assigned duty and drop the pay protection but a phone call to ops will clarify that.

Overtime from a specific bid period is usually paid on day 29 ( 2nd Pay day ) of the next bid period.

A lot of crew view operations as the enemy but if you are polite in your phone manner then 99% of the time they are very helpful.

RE MEL crew loss of work
 

Hi GalleyHag

What year pay are the MEL crew on who have lost O/N's?
CNS base may have more O?N's but did you know they are on a 1st year pay scale?

I wonder if this evens out the money issue.

Best of luck to MEL and CNS crew I hope all these issues are sorted out soon:ok:

mel stuff
 

from what i have seen, all these melbourne overnights, are just cns crew being based in mel for a couple of day doing day trips, so wouldn't that be a sign that mel is short of crew to cover there day flying?

or is there a huge amount of permanent crew on res in mel too?

There are quite a few permanent crew on RES in MEL. Also the rest of the base are getting awful rosters ( mainly SYD returns ). Even though our bid book shows lots of MEL overnights, you will see that the issue of MEL crew claiming we are ' stealing their flying ' is a silly argument. On closer inspection the trips are pattern of one so all they are doing is tagging one CNS crew member on to a full MEL crew.

a bit of reality
 

girls. you cannot reduce anyones pay in any future awards. so instead of "having a go" at lhccr conditions the future for you guys is to increase your pay and conditions. as argus correctly points out if you are fatigued put in a safety report. dont forget to send a copy to the faaa and the chairman of the OH committee. yes the company has been very clever over the years to split lh/sh unions thats why we are in the current situation. is it going to get better? the simple answer is no as long as there are two unions we all will loose!!!!!!

Cabinhostie,on the issue of MEL crew and the flying we are doing, basically, anyone from about 7 years seniority down have been thrown SYD returns. Quite a few of these people have even been thrown reserve which goes against our EBA as we had a choice back then to permanently stay on Reserve or forfeit it forever. Several people have been thrown Reserve for the first time in years. Apparently this matter is going before a hearing to be sorted out according to the Union emails.
MEL crew are suffering financially. You dont need me to tell you the figures involved when DTA plummets from 300+ hrs to 120. Not to mention Bands/OT/MBNT, etc etc. This literally happened overnight. A HUGE reduction in pay with little warning. Not good at all considering the cost of living as it stands now.
I have to admit the bid package for July does look marginally better with bigger days, higher hours but overnights are a shadow of what they were.
We shall have to wait and see what happens when blocks are published.
By the way, it isnt solely the issue of CNS taking MEL flying. It also is due to the high number of MAMers that went across to QCCA leaving MEL short. This probably explains the use of CNS crew. Either way, it isnt fair that such a drastic change in flying can happen and in such a short time. Our EBA states that flying should be shared equally amongst the bases. This is not happening.

I suppose what can be said about this is that overnights and allowances are not, and cannot be guaranteed as part of your income. We discovered that very quickly in 2004 in the change over from Impulse/Qantaslink to Jetstar. One month we were getting 8-10 overnights a month and the next month none......gone forever! :{ Management have seen what savings can be made by eliminating/reducing overnights at Jetstar, lets hope you guys dont suffer like we did.