Eastern Australia Airlines
 

How does everyone feel about the proposed EBA?

After reading it through all i can say is Huh?:confused: A little more english and less blah blah would have been nice.

I had a quick squiz through the draft...

Higher base rate is a good thing. I'm skeptical about the less restrictive work rules... but then hey, it's better than an AWA... isn't it? :ooh:

My friend is spitting chips about it though. He reckons it's' a crap deal and is really reluctant to vote "yes".

What do U think EAAFA and Mouse78?

The proposed EBA is exactly what I expected: a carbon copy of the existing Sunstate EBA.

The higher base salary is the only improvement, but considering all the losses (ie duty hour limitations, reduced rest periods, etc), it is not enough of an increase.

I don't know how the DTA rate was decided. It is very low.

Also, it isn't reasonable to take away roster requests considering we don't have a bidding system.

I'm currently on active hold for Eastern. :)

A friend that I met at the interview and have kept in touch with was saying that she thought it was dreadful! The only good thing in the whole EBA was a little increase in base wage. However she said they would lose in allowances if the DTA were to be brought in and would virtually be flogged to death. She said that most people felt the same way.

When does it have to be voted on?

NG must be kidding herself thinking that we are going to accept Sunstate conditions.

Everything that we currently have in our EBA that's benificial to us has been taken away. If we are lucky, a reduced alternative has been offered in place.

What's the deal with the FAAA? They knew to hold on to the 7 hour rule and DIL's. Where's the negotiation with management to keep them? I guess it must be hard when the Union Rep and CC Mgr are buddies :mad: .

They took two important things away from us, and don't even give us anything back except some worthless DTA.

Does EEA still offer 22,000 base for a first year FA?

No, from ground school to check to line its around $23,000 p/a. However, if your from another base and your overnighting in Sydney, you get the overnight allowances as well. Once your checked to line, that takes about 4 weeks from your first day at ground school, your salary goes up to around $30,000 + allowances.

When I went for an interview in September at the panel I was given a sheet of paper (which I have kept) stating that a first year FA will recieve a base of 22,000.

Perhaps this is not the case anymore though..

The base of 22000 is for the initial training period after training finishes and you're checked to line it goes up to 29000 +. I have the same sheet of paper and it's written on there.

'As I mentioned earlier....' the training rate of pay is around $23,000.

Have a look at the EASTERN AUSTRALIA AIRLINES PTY LIMITED FLIGHT ATTENDANTS ENTERPRISE AGREEMENT 2002 on www.wagenet.gov.au
Training until 'checked to line' is $22,874.

Training - applies until "checked to line"
Increment 1 - applies from when the trainee is "checked to line"
Increment 2 - after 6 months combined service as a trainee & at increment 1
Increment 3 - after 12 months service at increment 2
Increment 4 - after 12 months service at increment 3
Increment 5 - after 12 months service at increment 4
Increment 6 - after 12 months service at increment 5

Training - $22,874
Increment 1 - $29,812
Increment 2 - $30,499
Increment 3 - $31,221
Increment 4 - $31,943
Increment 5 - $32,663
Increment 6 - $33,414

RE: Proposed EBA
 

I'm actually working for Sunstate under these work conditions.

We don't get "flogged" to death in Sunnies and we're certainly not doing 11 hrs , min rest, 11 hrs min rest etc. I don't think Management would want us doing that as there'd be a mutiny and lots of sickies! :eek:

I reckon you guys at Eastern should check out our rosters because it's not all as bad as you think. I still get time after my overnight to go and have my hair done or my legs waxed! I still get roster requests which allow me to duck over to see my boyfriend in Cairns on my three days that I've requested off.

This Brisbane girl still has her lifestyle - and a higher base Salary than the Eastern so make sure you're comparing with your friends up here in Sunnies - trust me, I've been here 2 years and it's OK. :) The other good thing about a higher base salary is that you get moe during A/L when you're not getting allowances. And then there's more super (for those who need to worry about that sort of stuff).

Vote No No No.
 

Is the new EBA supposed to be funny??? :} cos im not laughing and not many of the people i have spoken to are either.

In fact i feel insulted that management think that we are that stupid that we will vote yes.

The FAAA is as week as :mad: to. What were they doing during negotiations? Hiding under the table ......thats what.:D

I worked out my recent pay on the new EBA and i would have got $60-70 less in the fortnight.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOUR OF A PAY CUT SAY I !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This has been an FAAA wake up call..........:=

Thanks for the contribution, Sally. I'm glad that Sunnies read this thread because it looks like sooner or later we'll all be one airline.
Don't get complacent though. If the EBA allows the company to push you harder, you can bet on it that it's only a matter of time until your rosters start to resemble ours at Eastern. That is 10+ hour days with minimum breaks followed by minimum rest.
Simple maths will tell you that we are far better off with the meal allowances we now have than the proposed DTA. A slightly higher base salary doesn't make much difference once the tax man has taken his cut.

I think when this proposed EBA gets voted down, and if we do take action, the FAAA needs to know exactly what we want to see in the new agreed EBA. Seriously, where did the FAAA get off allowing management to offer such bull$hit. We need to clearly stipulate what we want to see in our EBA. B.I needs to stand down aswell and someone with balls should be in place.

No More F.a.a.a
 

Lets get rid of the F.A.A.A and go to the T.W.U (transport workers union). A union that wont roll over and is not confused about who it needs to support.

Once this EBA is voted down we can legally do this.

SPREAD THE WORD. Vote NO to the EBA....vote NO to the F.A.A.A.......vote YES to a change to the T.W.U.

i can't get my head around our reps being so out of touch with what we want that they didn't make this clear during negotiations. they claim that "we" said we wanted sunnies EBA. i heard people saying they want a similar BASE PAY not their EBA: NOT THE SAME THING!

NO to giving up the 7 hour rule!

NO to giving up meal allowances for a pathetic $3.83 DTA!

everyone i know who has added up how much they would be getting a fortnight with dta instead of meal allowances has figured out they'd be earning less. AND THATS INCLUDING THE HIGHER BASE PAY! and as EAAFA said, what about taxes???

5% PAY RISE MY a**e! a message to management: we aren't einsteins but we know how to use calculators!

I hope everyone is doing what I did. I added up how much I would get in a year under the proposed eba. It comes to only about $3000 more. The things they want us to give up are worth much more than $3000.

I noticed that a number of crew have changed their progression preferences to include Perth since the EBA package was sent out. Interesting...

Did anyone attend the info sessions on the EBA held recently?