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cartexchange 6th Sep 2006 12:32

Qantas Crew (cabin) Topics
 
well I have read the latest FAAA web news and It looks like MM wants the directors job on the superannuation board.
Won't this interfere with his position on the FAAA and surely if he has some spare time it should be utilised in regaining his flying experience after all its been a while!
Lets get some serious opinions on this matter!

Eden99 6th Sep 2006 14:01

Qantas Super Job
 
He apparently wants to be elected to try and prevent qantas outsourcing qantas super to private industry.

I say good on him. Obviously, Geoff Dixons attacks on MM indicate he is doing a good job. Have heard QF, are not happy with the prospect of MM being on the super board.

More reason that MM should go for it!

lowerlobe 6th Sep 2006 22:48

Here is the latest newsletter (#4 for 2006) from the faaa…

“After completing a very long ,thorough and exhaustive selection process ,the faaa has decided at morning tea over scones with jam that it’s representative for the position on the QF superannuation committee will be none other than it’s hero …. MM .

A huge number of candidates for the job were screened however, none had the track record of Mickey Mouse and his persistent record of appeasement.

The company will of course have no actual position other than to be very happy with their man for the job being elected. MM’s job will be the same as it is in the faaa and that is to be consistently supportive of the company and it’s policies.”

lowerlobe 7th Sep 2006 00:36

As much as I might dislike the policies of Darth I would not wish him or anyone for that matter any health problems and I believe it is not in the interest of this forum to propagate any rumours whether they are true or false.

cartexchange 7th Sep 2006 02:06

very funny LL about the morning tea!
I heard on the grapevine that the VR is being held up as the golden girls had incorrect packages issued to them.
they are claiming the full years of service including all those years they had off.
Why is the company so scared of them?

qcc2 7th Sep 2006 02:29

MM
 
i do think MM is qualified to represent cabin crew on superannuation matters, however given the current industrial climate and assosiated changes in our flying i belive he should concentrate on his faaa job. the ongoing changing to super rules requires many ongoing courses and meetings. somewhat i find this does not fit in with his current schedule.:hmm:

lowerlobe 7th Sep 2006 02:51

If MM has enough time to take on another job then perhaps he might instead do a trip or two and see what it is like these days....or is this just another string to his bow.

Some cynics amongst us might think that the girls on the union are only there for their own agenda and benefit...and looking after the membership is secondary.Either way,if Mickey has enough time apply for another job then he is not fully occupied with his position in the faaa.

Cartexchange,
Interesting what you have said about the golden girls,perhaps one of the faaa fast response team can comment on this rumour then again they did not show up the other day when someone here was having a go at our allowances.Maybe they only react to criticism of the faaa steering committee when they have finished their devonshire tea

sydney s/h 7th Sep 2006 03:01

Who are the "Golden Girls"?

lowerlobe 7th Sep 2006 03:51

A long long time ago there were two groups within cabin crew.There were flight stewards and flight hostesses.

Under the terms of employment at the time,girls (flight hostesses) were employed only until a certain age or if they were married .It was a very achaic and and discriminatory set of rules compared to now but then again so were a lot of other employment rules at that time .You could also argue that the girls signed their employment papers in full knowledge of what they were meant to do and none of them were forced to sign up.

Years later when anti discrimination laws came into place a number of the girls took the company to court for forcing them to retire.You can argue for and against their point of view but the end result was that the golden girls won not only recieving a huge financial settlement but their jobs back as well.These women became known as the golden girls.

If the rumour is true then the company would be fighting this tooth and nail because the difference in pay out figures would be huge and could answer the delay in the VR announcement

sydney s/h 7th Sep 2006 05:16

Lower,
thanks for the info.
Are there many remaining in QF?

OCCR 7th Sep 2006 06:08

LL is on track however its more complex than explained.
There is no doubt that the girls were discriminated against but they could have stayed as some did.
What was NOT fair is that they were able to retain all that seniority whilst they were gone.
Whilst they were justified in getting their jobs back it wasn't fair to get 15 plus years of seniority.
I too have heard the rumour that the package has been held up because the golden girls "offer" to accept has been extended.

either way it was another QF stuff up as usual.......

Guardian1 7th Sep 2006 07:00

Lower Lobe And His Story Telling
 
Whilst always interesting and amusing to see lowerlobes theories which are inevitably off the track....... it's better to shortcut some of the fairytale stuff that passes as "informed comment" from lowerlobe.

The VR announcement is imminent..... maybe as early as tomorrow.

The "golden girl" issue is being pursued by the FAAA, but this is not why the Company has taken so long to announce who and how many will be going. There are many factors that QF are considering and hence it has taken a long time.

Perhaps a benefit of the VR will be to see lowerlobe no longer being a crew member and living on here and making up nonsense as he continually does.

lowerlobe 7th Sep 2006 07:30

Ahh the usual rhetoric and twisted propaganda from the faaa in the guise of Guardian1.

If you had read my posts you would have seen that I was responding to a previous post about a rumour and then gave a brief synopsis about the golden girls as sydney s/h asked who they were and how they came about.

Neither was as you suggested a fairtale but maybe that is just because you girls have had a little too much pixie powder in your little ICAN proof bunker.If you guys took off your fairy dresses and moved about in the real world you might get a better idea of what is happening.

Guardian jumped in without checking the facts as usual just as the faaa accuses the company of.

Exactly where guardian did I spout a theory that was wrong.You just admitted that there was an angle on the “golden girls” issue and that the faaa was looking at it.

If you (the faaa) could be accurate and up to date for once it would be refreshing. Even better would be to keep us up to date with newsletters instead of send us advertising for law firms.

The only fairy tale around here is the performance of the faaa and the only ones to believe it are the 3 girls supposedly running the show.

As far as VR goes for myself,I wish as the saying goes,maybe next time when my mortgage is a little smaller…unlike one of you guys.

Guardian is that rumour true, are you prepared to be honest and tell us that one of the 3 stooges has applied for VR.????

Also if MM has enough time to apply for another job why doesn’t he have enough time to do some flying as well just to keep in touch ?

Wed Webbing Woop 7th Sep 2006 07:41

Thanks Steven
 
Gee I was getting worried that there were no telephone boxes around the FAAA bunker for Steven to go in and come "out" as Guardian1.
Phew!..................relief.
He sounds that he really has got the Acting GM's ear ( aka Tarantula ) and that the VR numbers will be announced tomorrow, How many cups of coffee did it take to that bit of info???
..................and as fo MM nominating himself to go on the Super board......WHAT THA !!!!????
Do the 3 Amigo's realise what is on the horizon during the next 12 months, -probably the most important period for an elected official in the FAAA/AICCA/AFAA history.
Oh no , not for MM, he wants to play in the sand pit with Cuisenaire Blocks and talk $$$$ with the "boyz".
Conflict of interest -nah, never .
How about "CONFLICT OF CONSCIENCE"??????
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm-sound familar????
www

Eden99 7th Sep 2006 10:31

Go Guardian!!
 
If Guardian1 is Steven Reed or Michael Mijatov or Andrew Smedley or even Santa Claus, 1 thing is certain he/she is spot on,accurate and obviously knowledgeable.

Unlike wed webbing loop and lowerlobe who continue to display their hatred for the FAAA, the vast bulk of crew support the above mentioned people including Santa.

I have been reading this thread and its related threads for quite a while. Invariably, lowerlobe and www (prob the same person) carp and criticise the FAAA . This is indicative of the fact that they are probably non union crew or otherwise part of the hopeless lot we turfed out of the FAAA a couple of years ago.

Unlike the 2 numbskulls( lowerlobe & www), the FAAA has overwhelming support amongst crew. They realise that Geoff Dixon attacks only the L/H FAAA and no other union. This means they are very effective and seen as an obstacle to the Company's plans.

Also, good on MM nominating for the super position. The company is preparing massive changes, including possibly outsourcing super and he wants to protect crew. Undoubtedly he will win the position hands down.

Its amazing that someone like MM who is protecting crew interests against QF, in a continually outspoken manner is criticised by such anonymous, gutless and useless non-descripts as www and lowerlobe.

Geoff Dixon and other senior executives can sit on many boards, but because MM dares to try to protect crews interests in the super field , he is bagged by cretins on here.

PATHETIC!

Guardian1 7th Sep 2006 11:17

WWW the scab of 2003
 
The "conflict of conscience" phrase used by www is very familiar. It was used by the FAAA to refer to those union members who scabbed in february 2003 during the stop work meeting.

Wed webbing loop by using this phrase has identified who he is. He is an ex line manager who worked during the stop work meeting in 2003. No wonder he so detests the FAAA.

CAUGHT OUT BIG TIME !

lowerlobe 7th Sep 2006 11:41

The other third of the 3 stooges has shown up and is as usual blowing the faaa horn. He might find this interesting but I don’t hate the faaa actually believe in collective bargaining and strength through union membership.

It is the current elected officials otherwise known as the 3 stooges that I have a problem with.

I find it interesting though that Darth is telling us that he does not like to deal with the faaa.Considering the extent that the current leadership has gone to to appease the management it is nothing short of amazing and certainly nothing that MM and her gang can boast about. I think this is more of a fairytale that Guardian talks about so much.

It would appear more likely that it is nothing more than a pr campaign by Darth to justify his set up plans for J*international cabin crew. MM and her mates Eden and Guardian continue to tell us how successful they are because of this but there have never been any concrete examples of strategic wins by the faaa over management to justify this claim.

To back MM’s plans for the position vacated by Gary is incredible. Obviously MM has enough spare time on his hands to apply for another job and that begs the question why he needs so much help in the office and why he can never be reached when crew ring the faaa office. If MM wants to be on the super board that’s fine but he should vacate the current job he has now so that he can devote all of his time to the superannuation issue.

Conversely if he wants to stay in his current position with the faaa, he should stick with that job and not look elsewhere for work .I don’t care how many boards Darth and other people are on, MM was elected to run the faaa and not to sit on other committees To compare himself with the corporate club that exists in Australia is truly pathetic

twiggs 7th Sep 2006 12:21


Originally Posted by lowerlobe (Post 2830926)
It is the current elected officials otherwise known as the 3 stooges that I have a problem with.
I find it interesting though that Darth is telling us that he does not like to deal with the faaa.Considering the extent that the current leadership has gone to to appease the management it is nothing short of amazing and certainly nothing that MM and her gang can boast about. I think this is more of a fairytale that Guardian talks about so much.
It would appear more likely that it is nothing more than a pr campaign by Darth to justify his set up plans for J*international cabin crew. MM and her mates Eden and Guardian continue to tell us how successful they are because of this but there have never been any concrete examples of strategic wins by the faaa over management to justify this claim.

It would seem that your dislike of the current FAAA leadership is more a personal one than a dislike of the way they operate.
All of your posts refer to "she" when it is well known that they are male.
If you didn't refer to people you criticize in such a personal way, people might take your criticisms a little more seriously.
Are you a homophobe perhaps mr lowerlobe?
(or should I say MRS lowerlobe)

Machinegun Fellatio 7th Sep 2006 21:15

New QF Corporate Wardrobe
 
A new corporate wardrobe for middle and senior management is nearing design completion.
Dixon had only one requirement.
In order to reflect the current management approach to staff he has insisted that the shirt component be brown.
Dixon also discovered that he and a certain political figure of the 1940s have a great deal in common:height,an innate ability for propaganda, a total disregard for for others and a personality disorder known as narcissism.
When Dixon realised that his 2 IC Borghetti was charaterised as "Il Duce" he was livid.
Not to be outdone he is now growing a small odd looking moustache.
A door plaque is being made.Its all hush hush but inside sources suggest "DF" will be Dixons new salutation in apparent reference to a teutonic term meaning "leader."
History will no doubt draw similar comparisons.

lowerlobe 7th Sep 2006 21:27

Ms Twiggs
 
or Mrs Ba ,good to have you back. I could agree with you but then we would both be wrong.

My point is and I realise it is difficult for you to understand theses things that although I support the union and collective bargaining it is the current elected officials that I believe are acting like a bunch of old women when it comes to dealing with the company and no that does not make me homophobic.

However it is good to see that you have taken up psychology and trying to better yourself but I think you have quite a way to go before you are qualified.

I was making the point that although Darth has said he does not like dealing with the current faaa and that MM and his cheer squad ,guardian and Eden boast about not being on Darths Christmas card list there is nothing of substance to back these claims up.

It would seem that Darth was just making these claims so that he can justify using the new IR laws to set up the new cabin crew with J* international.The public reading the newspapers and the faaa might have swallowed the line but there have been no wins that I can remember that would have even raised Darths blood pressure one point.

My other point is that MM was elected by the membership to run the faaa not to run for the board of QF superannuation.I believe that if that is your job then you should stick with that and not be diverted to other matters.In the lead up to our next EBA or rather the expiry of our current EBA it is going to be critical that MM has his eye on the one ball and not be distracted.I am sure there are others with financial expertise that can look after our interests with superannuation.If MM has enough spare time after doing his job with the faaa so that he can contemplate applying for and fulfilling another job then maybe he should consider flying again for a trip a roster so that he can keep in touch with those people who elected him.

surfside6 7th Sep 2006 21:53

Lowerlobe 4 President
 
You have so many wonderful ideas.
Such vision.
Such a propensity for original thought.
A wonderful tactical mind.
So articulate.
We are in awe.
Lowerlobe for president!! (of the NSW Geriatric Society)

lowerlobe 7th Sep 2006 21:57

As I said to Twiggs,I could agree with you but then we would both be wrong..

Instead of just ridicule how about some substance from the faaa cheer squad or some new policies or plans instead of Adverts for law firms in our newsletters

cartexchange 7th Sep 2006 22:28

there is No doubt that MM will be suitable to the Super board, but NOT whilst he is on the FAAA as an executive.
It looks like he is feathering his nest, if things get really bad with Long Haul Cabin crew conditions then he doesn't have to come back to flying with our "NEW" wages and conditions.
BY nominating himself on the board and receiving a wage from them and also his wage from the FAAA he will have set himself up very nicely!

A position on the board of directors with our Super and also his position with the FAAA will be perfect.

Should he be voted out at the next FAAA election then he has his board position to rely on or vice versa...........

I just wish he would use this spare time to do some flying to really see what its now like.......sh!t 7 years is a hell of a long time

surfside6 7th Sep 2006 22:40

Criticism Cheer Squad
 
First MM is not going a good job with the FAAA.
He should do more flying
Now there is conflict of interest with super board.
Is he allowed to have a personal life?
Is he allowed to make decisions to allow an exit from flying like every other person?
NO!...according to Cartexchange and Lower(Prefrontal)Lobe.
The guy just cant win.
If he leaves will the aforementioned fill the void?...NO!
They prefer to criticize from the sidelines .....its much safer

lowerlobe 7th Sep 2006 22:50

Surfside ,
Our message like you is simple but you don't seem to understand it.

We have no problem with MM going onto the super board but not with his current job.Our EBA has just over one year to go and we need someone who has their mind on that job and not others.If MM wants to go into finance then that is fine but he should resign from the faaa before that happens.

We could argue all day and we will never agree so lets have a bit of humour....


A newsletter from senior company management to all crew….

As you may be aware our esteemed leader, the prince of darkness, the master of the darkside,Darth has told us that every section of the company must now be it’s own cost center .He means that it will not be satisfactory for the Cabin crew department to be just cost neutral but we must generate our own profit.

To that end we are taking some measures that will revolutionise our cost base.

1: Each year we will be offering a VR package for Australian based crew until each of you is gone or paying for your jobs on individual work place agreements only possible with the help of your friendly neighborhood Liberal party member. The main difference is that each VR package will be sponsored by a major company. This year’s package is as you might have heard sponsored by a major aircraft manufacturer…

2: Continuing this theme, all cabin crew must bring back their old company issued cabin bags and have them replaced with your new ones which are sponsored by a major soft drink manufacturer and will of course have their logo on the bags. Crew are not permitted to have any other stickers or signage on their bags that would detract from this advertising revenue source.

3: All uniform jackets will also have advertising on them and we will be announcing the brand name shortly. If you know of any company that is looking for advertising space can you direct them to our new advertising manager located on QCC1 with the bright neon light decorated office formerly known as Bob the builder .

4: After a successful trial on Darth star, we will have more advertising on the overhead lockers and inside safety cards and toilets on all aircraft and passengers will now have a surcharge on their tickets to pay for the purchase and dry cleaning of blankets and pillows as well as a fuel surcharge and other incidentals.

5: Crew will also now have to wear new uniform shoes and you guessed it sponsored by a major sporting shoe manufacturer... (Starts with an N as Twiggs would put it)

6: Crew will also not be permitted to wear their own watches as these will form part of our ongoing advertising revenue source to please Darth.

Crew will also be charged for crew meals and any drinks that are consumed during the flight not to mention wear and tear on company property such as meal carts that are used in the course of your employment.

Another idea we are looking at is a surcharge on the pax ticket to pay for the cabin crew on their flight. We feel that although there will be initial resentment and resistance of these ideas the public will eventually accept them or forget about them.

These and other revenue sources are being formulated in conjunction with the faaa who have started their own generation of revenue from advertising to replace lost income from the crew who take VR.These measures should ensure my job at the very least even if cabin crew are eventually outsourced completely.

Yours insincerely,

Life’s Good

Pegasus747 7th Sep 2006 22:59

A couple of clarifications
 
First can i just say that i have really enjoyed a considerable break whilst on my enforced LSL. Having said that it's pleasing to see that nothing changes here.

The position on the Super Board is not a paid position. There is in fact no salary and furthermore there are no "directors fees".

More importantly the Companies representative on the Super Board is our dear old friend, that loveable old bulldug Kevin "you gotta love me" Brown.

Now for those intellectual rodents in here that dont realise it, dear old Kev's Job is to protect the interests of Qantas on the Super Board.

Ian Woods the President of the Pilots Association is the Director for the pilots, perhaps he should give up his role at AIPA too. Because of Ian's involvement we no longer have to pay a super surcharge tax.

Rene Herbert when he was the Director on the Super FUnd was also the head of the Cabin Crew Union at the time too.

The only reason that we have the Super that we do is wholly and totally because of the Union movement you lot on ininformed bozo's.

I would humbly suggest that you take your homophobic prejudices somewhere else. I would suggest that you take your informed rubbish somewhere else. And more important i would suggest that you run for office and offer some sort of viable alternative rather than the bile, and nonsense based on ignorance and envy that you peddle here and at work

fondest regards from One that actually understands the rather larger issues

cartexchange 7th Sep 2006 23:08

let clarify this/
So Pegasus are you stating that there is absolutely no renumeration for sitting on the super board, absolutely zilch. Nothing paid in any way.
Its a totally voluntary poistion.

surfside6 7th Sep 2006 23:23

Wow!
 
How about an apology, Cartex and Prefrontal,now that you have some facts?.
You two, to a large extent, have been responsible for the closure of several Cabin crew threads.
Still you come back with the same uninformed nonsense.
You should be banned down to IP address level.
What a pain you 2 must be to work with!
MM is doing a great job for the FAAA.
His dedication and passion are humbling.
I can only hope that commonsense prevails and he is elected to the super board.
If we had more people like MM representing us we would be in much better shape.
So give the uninformed carping a rest and try to provide some support for someone who is doing a damn fine job!!!!

Eden99 7th Sep 2006 23:23

Mm And Super
 
I'll answer your question cartexchange. Correct, the member -elected positions are purely honourary...they are not paid positions.Furthemore, meetings of the Qantas super board are held about 6 times a year.... not onerous i would have thought.

Some of you FAAA haters can't even get your facts straight. Pity you don't read the Superannuation material that was posted out that makes it clear it is not a paid position for the employee directors as MM would be if he is elected.

But it is not a surprise that those of you who attack MM for trying to defend our super can't even read .

That's why he heads the FAAA, because he can do several things at once , wheras his critics in here are obviously very limited individuals.

As for lowerlobes ridiculous comments about no "wins" by the FAAA, he forgets that EBA7 reversed every failure of EBA6. Very convenient and selective memory indeed.

qcc2 7th Sep 2006 23:28

issues
 
i agree with LL, its not personal with the faaa excecs. they now have around 12 month or so before negotiations commence with the new EBA. here are some of the issues need urgent research and planning for the next EBA. compare international wages amongst our major competitors, compare annual flight times between competitors, start negotiating flight duty limitations with casa (l am constantly amazed at some of our thai and kiwis patterns), prepare a pa campaign (if needed),and others. as i said before MM is qualified for the super job,and i would have no objection if he would not be in his current position, but this is not the case. ongoing changes to super annuation laws take many hours of courses, meetings,etc, which would make his job in the faaa a part time one.not good:=

cartexchange 7th Sep 2006 23:41

surf side, your post is totally out of line and for your information neither one of us has ever been responsible for thread closure, that is usually done by people like you and BA lert.All I did was ask a question and I was interested in an opinion, Eden and Pegasus have answered the questions and so have all the others, your post are the only ones that have vitriol and personal attacks in them.
Eden and Pegasus thanks for your reply, much appreciated.
DO you think that this position on the super board will in no way interfere with MM's duties at the FAAA.
As stated before I do not doubts MM's abilities for this position, I do however see it better that he does a bit of flying as he would be able to get a real idea how people feel about the job and the FAAA.
Surfside in order for you to calm down quickly may I suggest a valium.

lowerlobe 8th Sep 2006 00:38

To Pegasus747,Guardian et al....
 
To help you guys with your busy work schedule and because just about all of your responses are the same I decided to post a typical faaa response to criticism.

This way the faaa can spend more time on important matters although no one is quite sure what they are.

Here goes…


We at the FAAA are fantastic and doing a great job.

We at the FAAA know what we are doing and you have nothing to worry about, in fact we are so good at what we do that we are all applying for other jobs to keep ourselves busy.

Those who criticise us know absolutely nothing and must be former FAAA officials; we just did not know that there were so many of you.

You can have complete confidence in our dedication, committment and ability to look after our …sorry your needs and did I mention that we are dedicated and should be committed.

We do not appreciate comments about us from those that are obviously homogenized, they are just cowardly.

Those of you that post here with nick names are cowardly and not honest because you have not told us your real names and you know less than nothing and tell fairytales.

We only post under our real names ,my real and full name is Pegasus747 (My parents read too many fairytales and had no sense of humour) ,it even says so on my shirt and Steve’s is Guardian1, I’m not sure who Andy is .It all depends who is in the office on the day and sometimes we get confused.

We at the FAAA have the company scared and on the run although we are not sure exactly why.

We at the FAAA are fantastic and know everything and should be re elected because we should be and because we are fantastic and very humble not to mention modest.

Ok guys thats my one ,Guardian or Eden your turn next if someone is cowardly enough to respond to my post

Machinegun Fellatio 8th Sep 2006 01:01

Not So Cool Hand
 
Lowerlobe
This thread is for QF discussion ..not personal vendettas.
The guys do a great job.
Legislation makes it difficult for any Union or Association to be truly effective.
One can only hope that a change of Government occurs next year.
Dixon would get a better result if he embraced his employees with his vision rather than turning them into the enemy.
Richard Branson does a magnificent job of managing his people.
Morale is excellent.
He is approachable.
Perhaps he should make a bid for QF if ever the QF Sale Act is repealed.

Guardian1 8th Sep 2006 01:12

cartexchange's comments
 
Firstly, i don't think surfside is the one who needs to calm down.

Several of you, continually attack the FAAA and mijatov, reed and smedley in particular. You do it on spurious and ill informed grounds.... but the real issue is you do it deliberately and with malice. It's a no brainer that some of you are probably former FAAA people who were turfed out for incompetence.

In relation to your comments cartexchange.... which are more measured and considered..... the answers are these i think:

1) fundamentally you miss a point about super...... it is a basic and hugely important component of conditions of employment and future ability to live properly. I and most people would absolutely think it is right and highly desirable that the head of our union (MM) would want to protect our super arrangements. THIS IS PART OF MM'S DUTIES!!

2) Comments about MM flying are just plain silly and underscore a complete lack of understanding of the complexity of running a modern and effective union. Every day, serious issues come up in the dealings with QF and the FAAA and the head of the FAAA must be there to make snap decisions, to attend important meetings and negotiations with QF, with Australian Airlines and all the other meetings that occur with other bodies ranging from the ACTU, OTHER UNIONS AND OTHER OUTSIDE ORGANISATIONS.

Imagine, MM saying he's off on a 10 day trip.... see ya later ... and all decision making in the FAAA comes to a halt and the business of defending members interests comes to a standstill. Very good state of affairs that would be. And then when he comes back from that 10 day trip...he would have to have a rest like other cabin crew..so further gridlock in the FAAA.

Then people would quite rightly be screaming.

In addition to those considerations above, the FAAA is a multi million dollar concern... it has staff etc which need to be managed and administered too.

I t is easy to sit from the sideline and criticise and offer silly suggestions when you don't actually have a clue about the matters that you comment on.

MM takes his position very seriously, as those that know him only too rightly know. He heads the FAAA at the most critical time in it's history... and he is totally committed to protecting members interests in all fields whether industrial or conditions including super.

Finally, the suggestion that somehow MM needs to fly to understand the issues that matter to crew.....even if it was possible in light of the consideraions i have outlined above... is naive and silly.

My understanding is that MM flew up to his election as head of the FAAA in 2004. He heads a Divisional Council of 12 others who fly continually, he has contact with crew on a daily basis both face to face, by phone, by email and by letter. He knows precisely what the issues are, probably better than anyone else because he is privy to information that cannot be made public at times.

So i would reject the notion that MM should fly whilst he heads the FAAA because that would hurt the interests of crew and i further reject the notion that because he doesn't fly that this somehow means he is out of touch. The fact that MM can get 88% of members to support an EBA and 71% to support the JFK dispensation illustrates he is very much in touch. No other union gets these sorts of huge support levels for their initiatives.

Finally, i speak with a bit of authority on these matters because i know nearly all the FAAA officials and am very familiar with the way the FAAA operates and most of the issues too.

It is sad that a person like MM and some of the others on the FAAA who are in my view the best reps we have ever had. are subjected to abuse and nonsense by some in here. It would be fair enough if those that attack them actually had any knowledge about the issues or had any talent themselves.

Eden99 8th Sep 2006 01:22

Well said Guardian.

I have spoken to a few of my friends the last 2 days. They thought it was a good idea for MM to stand for the super vacancy and will vote for him hands down. 2 are short haul and they will as well as they consider MM and the LH FAAA are very effective.

twiggs 8th Sep 2006 02:36

CSS stood down in NRT?
 
Anyone else got solid info on this one?
This supposedly happened at the hotel in NRT.
A CSS was found with a biscuit from the aircraft.

If it is true, why are people still taking stuff from the aircraft?
There have been so many warnings.

Butterfield8 8th Sep 2006 03:23

Aircraft Stores NRT
 
Crew ex MEL l(but Syd Based) arrived at the hotel in NRT.
Instead of checking in downstairs they were asked to do so on the second floor.
Here they were subjected to a search by company security personnel.
The Supervisor was found to have a chocolate (company stores)in his posession.
He has been stood down pending further investigation.
WARNING:
1. Before you leave the aircraft check your pockets.Ensure that you have no panamax,chocolates,biscuits,Unicef envelopes jelly beans.This is stuff that we all carry during the sector to offer pax and their kids.
2.Do NO take milk, water,teabags or anything from your crew tray.These are all considered company stores.
If you are found with anything for which you do not have a receipt you can be subjected to disciplinary action.
This can include dismissal.
You work for a company that uses fear and intimidation to manage.
Do not give them an opportunity to manage you out of the company

qcc2 8th Sep 2006 03:30

those J/C chocolate biscuits
 
yes it is true, it seems the message has not gotten through to some crew. its not that the security guys want to make an excample out of little things like a biscuit, but they have to follow the follow their rules. and they are very simple. anything not on your crew tray, DON'T TOUCH!!:sad:

twiggs 8th Sep 2006 04:13


Originally Posted by lowerlobe (Post 2832068)
My point is and I realise it is difficult for you to understand theses things that although I support the union and collective bargaining it is the current elected officials that I believe are acting like a bunch of old women when it comes to dealing with the company and no that does not make me homophobic.

Lowerlobe, I think your behaviour is more representative of that analogy

PS. stop sending me PM's, I'm not interested, no means no!

OCCR 8th Sep 2006 04:22

ssshhhhhh twigs
shhhhhhh ssshhhhhhh
'our illustrious leaders at the FAAA bunker don't want to be sidetracked at the moment they are too busy conducting a propaganda war with the latest super board elections.
anyway there must be more than a chocolate biscuit involved.
Don't call the FAAA though! they are very busy, plus with the amount of chocolate biscuits that are consumed by them you think they would have some sympathy for the NRT guy.


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