Continue CPR or Secure The Cabin???
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Continue CPR or Secure The Cabin???
Situation: Passenger receiving CPR,aircraft has diverted to nearest suitable.
Cabin Crew preparing the cabin for landing.
Do you continue with CPR and accept the person conducting CPR is not secure for landing or suspend the CPR???
Cabin Crew preparing the cabin for landing.
Do you continue with CPR and accept the person conducting CPR is not secure for landing or suspend the CPR???
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As someone who travels with family who are likely to be called on in such circumstance I've often wondered this myself and I look forward to the replies.
Me? I'd accept the risk and carry on with treatment, as outside of the infrequent occurrence of getting a return of spontaneous circulation fairly quickly, all the previous efforts would have been a total waste of time !
Me? I'd accept the risk and carry on with treatment, as outside of the infrequent occurrence of getting a return of spontaneous circulation fairly quickly, all the previous efforts would have been a total waste of time !
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Neither.
Continue CPR until 30 seconds before landing.
Then take your seat quickly for landing.
After the aircraft has slowed, return to CPR.
The safety of the cabin crew is paramount.
If one CC becomes incap during the landing, E.G. if the landing was very hard and they banged their head, then now you are reduced crew in the cabin. As you taxi in, an uncontained engine fire occurs and an evacuation is commanded. You only have 3 CC evacuating 200 pax now instead of 4. Of course CC can work as reduced crew in an evacuation but then the investigation will kick in and ask why there were only 3 CC?
My 2 points are this:
1) There's no point being a hero if you are dead.
2) The CC have to look after themselves first so that they can then look after all of the pax.
Continue CPR until 30 seconds before landing.
Then take your seat quickly for landing.
After the aircraft has slowed, return to CPR.
The safety of the cabin crew is paramount.
If one CC becomes incap during the landing, E.G. if the landing was very hard and they banged their head, then now you are reduced crew in the cabin. As you taxi in, an uncontained engine fire occurs and an evacuation is commanded. You only have 3 CC evacuating 200 pax now instead of 4. Of course CC can work as reduced crew in an evacuation but then the investigation will kick in and ask why there were only 3 CC?
My 2 points are this:
1) There's no point being a hero if you are dead.
2) The CC have to look after themselves first so that they can then look after all of the pax.
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Neither.
Continue CPR until 30 seconds before landing.
Then take your seat quickly for landing.
After the aircraft has slowed, return to CPR.
The safety of the cabin crew is paramount.
If one CC becomes incap during the landing, E.G. if the landing was very hard and they banged their head, then now you are reduced crew in the cabin. As you taxi in, an uncontained engine fire occurs and an evacuation is commanded. You only have 3 CC evacuating 200 pax now instead of 4. Of course CC can work as reduced crew in an evacuation but then the investigation will kick in and ask why there were only 3 CC?
My 2 points are this:
1) There's no point being a hero if you are dead.
2) The CC have to look after themselves first so that they can then look after all of the pax.
Continue CPR until 30 seconds before landing.
Then take your seat quickly for landing.
After the aircraft has slowed, return to CPR.
The safety of the cabin crew is paramount.
If one CC becomes incap during the landing, E.G. if the landing was very hard and they banged their head, then now you are reduced crew in the cabin. As you taxi in, an uncontained engine fire occurs and an evacuation is commanded. You only have 3 CC evacuating 200 pax now instead of 4. Of course CC can work as reduced crew in an evacuation but then the investigation will kick in and ask why there were only 3 CC?
My 2 points are this:
1) There's no point being a hero if you are dead.
2) The CC have to look after themselves first so that they can then look after all of the pax.
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The probability of death or serious injury during landing, to a person on the floor conducting CPR and suitably bracing themselves against surrounding structures, is incredibly small. The benefits of continuous CPR are difficult to calculate but could be very real. Continue CPR.
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Thing is, would you as a commander tell your subordinate to risk their life by not strapping in for landing? Would you order a breach of procedure (in many cases a very specific SOP)?
It’s a though cookie. Yes, the risk is small. But isn’t that the case with everything we do in professional aviation? Where do you draw the line?
Anyway, our SOP’s are very clear in this regard.
It’s a though cookie. Yes, the risk is small. But isn’t that the case with everything we do in professional aviation? Where do you draw the line?
Anyway, our SOP’s are very clear in this regard.
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Thing is, would you as a commander tell your subordinate to risk their life by not strapping in for landing? Would you order a breach of procedure (in many cases a very specific SOP)?
It’s a though cookie. Yes, the risk is small. But isn’t that the case with everything we do in professional aviation? Where do you draw the line?
Anyway, our SOP’s are very clear in this regard.
It’s a though cookie. Yes, the risk is small. But isn’t that the case with everything we do in professional aviation? Where do you draw the line?
Anyway, our SOP’s are very clear in this regard.
…and forgive me, you can’t leave that hanging... What do your SOPs say? If they don’t concur with my thoughts I’d be treating them very much as for the guidance of the wise, and the obedience of fools.
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Do ambulance crews stop giving cpr and sit strapped in when the vehicle is in motion because some rule in the Highway Code says all occupants of moving vehicles must do so?
SOPs become a curse when people lose the ability to apply common sense to a situation. If someone dies because you sat down for landing where's your conscience for the rest of your life, and how would/could the event be depicted to grieving relatives?
The ANO is, or at least used to be prefaced with what we called the life and death clause. "Nothing in these regulations shall prevent a person from carryng out whatever actions they see fit in the course of preserving life" or words to that effect.
It shocks me that this question even needs to be asked.
SOPs become a curse when people lose the ability to apply common sense to a situation. If someone dies because you sat down for landing where's your conscience for the rest of your life, and how would/could the event be depicted to grieving relatives?
The ANO is, or at least used to be prefaced with what we called the life and death clause. "Nothing in these regulations shall prevent a person from carryng out whatever actions they see fit in the course of preserving life" or words to that effect.
It shocks me that this question even needs to be asked.
