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With Aer Lingus recruiting American cabi crew for this flight, are there concerns that the airline might be doing this for cheaper labor? Flight attendant boards in the US are talking about anger in the cabin crew ranks at Aer Lingus.
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I find the whole concept to be quite bizarre. An Irish airline, with an American crew, flying to Spain. Perhaps they will not care, but I cannot imagine any of it making sense to passengers, and it just looks to me as if there will be a significant loss in revenue on this one.
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Its a multiventure being marketed by United so it will simply be United Passengers on an Irish Aircraft with US crews going to Madrid!!!!! Whats so confusing about that???? 
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I think the passengers would assume they were getting on a United flight with United crews and perhaps for those Spanish passengers, some route language flight attendants, who spoke Spanish from Spain for starters. So you would think it absolutely normal to fly to, let's say, Dublin to Moscow on a LAN (Chile) Airlines flight with French crew after booking your ticket with Aer Lingus? That would make perfect sense to you?
This whole operation is a subcontract under the guises of a codeshare. Both United and Aer Lingus are up to union busting basically and it does not take an expert to see that. Not to mention, the US is in a terrible recession and travel is way down. This is the wrong time to be doing this; United has been grasping at straws to keep market share. If Aer Lingus had been smart, they would have paired up with a carrier that actually is doing well or has a future like Continental. United has a terrible reputation right now for its service, and now that CAL is in the Star Alliance, most will choose to book with them instead. I will be surprised if this venture lasts past Summer 2010.
Other airlines have tried to crew with Americans, and it just does not work. They have a very casual approach to service. Open Skies being the most recent. The Americans could not deal with the rostering system, so most have quit (as they are obsessed with bidding), and the crewing is primarily from Orly. Another example would be the wetlease with USAir back in the 90's for BA. The CDS's that were sent over on that secondment were pulling their hair out, as the Tammy Fay's, Martha Sue's and LaQuita Sherrie LaQuanda's could not wrap their heads around professional customer service and had an interesting take on how to wear the BA uniform. The passenger comment forms from UK passengers indicated they were confused and sometimes could not understand what the crews were saying. I want you to have a vision: Rosie Perez in an Aer Lingus uniform: ' Oh no you didn't. Talk to da hand' This is what will be recruited for Spanish speakers. I embrace these individuals as equal human beings and find diversity to make life worth living, but in the US, if you have flown on an American carrier lately, you will see they struggle with customer service and professionlism. United Airlines has been known to covet its UK based crews as they are the only ones in their work group that is actually professional.
Why do you think British Airways and Virgin have such high percentages of American passengers? They don't like flying their own carriers! LOL They would probably prefer actual Aer Lingus crews to American ones..lol.
Just one more comment on the operation, and it seems silly, but their call out on standby from home is 45 minutes. It takes at least 25 minutes to get from the curb to the gate at IAD (US airport security plus those People Mover shuttles to get out to United's gates), and 15 minutes to get out of the airport perimeter. There is really not housing on the airport grounds, soit makes me wonder if they are familiar with that region, the lack of transport, the issues with parking, and the absolute traffic nightmares that exist. Not to mention, that region is one of the most expensive in the United States, thus most crews opt to commute to IAD. I doubt Aer Lingus would support any commuting, with their rostering system, and I am wondering what interline agreements they have. Most American airlines give crews their pass priveleges immediately at employment; most will not be interested if they have to wait 6 months, especially if the pay is low. I have noticed that Aer Lingus has lifted the deadline for application (after changing it twice). My guess is that they are not getting the professional crews they want.
This whole operation is a subcontract under the guises of a codeshare. Both United and Aer Lingus are up to union busting basically and it does not take an expert to see that. Not to mention, the US is in a terrible recession and travel is way down. This is the wrong time to be doing this; United has been grasping at straws to keep market share. If Aer Lingus had been smart, they would have paired up with a carrier that actually is doing well or has a future like Continental. United has a terrible reputation right now for its service, and now that CAL is in the Star Alliance, most will choose to book with them instead. I will be surprised if this venture lasts past Summer 2010.
Other airlines have tried to crew with Americans, and it just does not work. They have a very casual approach to service. Open Skies being the most recent. The Americans could not deal with the rostering system, so most have quit (as they are obsessed with bidding), and the crewing is primarily from Orly. Another example would be the wetlease with USAir back in the 90's for BA. The CDS's that were sent over on that secondment were pulling their hair out, as the Tammy Fay's, Martha Sue's and LaQuita Sherrie LaQuanda's could not wrap their heads around professional customer service and had an interesting take on how to wear the BA uniform. The passenger comment forms from UK passengers indicated they were confused and sometimes could not understand what the crews were saying. I want you to have a vision: Rosie Perez in an Aer Lingus uniform: ' Oh no you didn't. Talk to da hand' This is what will be recruited for Spanish speakers. I embrace these individuals as equal human beings and find diversity to make life worth living, but in the US, if you have flown on an American carrier lately, you will see they struggle with customer service and professionlism. United Airlines has been known to covet its UK based crews as they are the only ones in their work group that is actually professional.
Why do you think British Airways and Virgin have such high percentages of American passengers? They don't like flying their own carriers! LOL They would probably prefer actual Aer Lingus crews to American ones..lol.
Just one more comment on the operation, and it seems silly, but their call out on standby from home is 45 minutes. It takes at least 25 minutes to get from the curb to the gate at IAD (US airport security plus those People Mover shuttles to get out to United's gates), and 15 minutes to get out of the airport perimeter. There is really not housing on the airport grounds, soit makes me wonder if they are familiar with that region, the lack of transport, the issues with parking, and the absolute traffic nightmares that exist. Not to mention, that region is one of the most expensive in the United States, thus most crews opt to commute to IAD. I doubt Aer Lingus would support any commuting, with their rostering system, and I am wondering what interline agreements they have. Most American airlines give crews their pass priveleges immediately at employment; most will not be interested if they have to wait 6 months, especially if the pay is low. I have noticed that Aer Lingus has lifted the deadline for application (after changing it twice). My guess is that they are not getting the professional crews they want.
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Yaletown...has someone had a sense of humour failure????
For those who are interested in this "venture" I suggest you go and check out the many other threads on the Aer Lingus topics in Pprune where you will find it discussed at length and may very well put you off applying for a job with the ailing airline!
For those who are interested in this "venture" I suggest you go and check out the many other threads on the Aer Lingus topics in Pprune where you will find it discussed at length and may very well put you off applying for a job with the ailing airline!
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Does OpenSkies still have the NY-based cabin crew?
Sorry for my ignorance, but what is the difference between rostering and bidding?
A former colleague of mine has interviwed with EI for this role. Below are details of the overall compensation, for what it's worth.
Pay scales - there are six "steps" (levels)...
Step 1 - $17,640 CCM, $22,680 Senior
Step 2 - $18,522 CCM, $23,814 Senior
Step 3 - $19,448 CCM, $25,004 Senior
Step 4 - $20,420 CCM, $26,254 Senior
Step 5 - $21,441 CCM, $27,567 Senior
Step 6 - $22,513 CCM, $28,946 Senior
Next to the pay scales, it says "International Allowance - payable for block hours worked on international services, $2 per hour - same rate of payment for CCMs and Seniors."
Commission is 10% of gross sales - international.
General Terms
Annual leave 25 working days (includes all vacation, public holiday, paid sick leave)
Uniform will be provided
Training in the US and Ireland
Benefits
401k
Life Insurance
Health Benefits - medical, prescription, dental
Accidental death/dismemberment
Travel privileges
Sorry for my ignorance, but what is the difference between rostering and bidding?
A former colleague of mine has interviwed with EI for this role. Below are details of the overall compensation, for what it's worth.
Pay scales - there are six "steps" (levels)...
Step 1 - $17,640 CCM, $22,680 Senior
Step 2 - $18,522 CCM, $23,814 Senior
Step 3 - $19,448 CCM, $25,004 Senior
Step 4 - $20,420 CCM, $26,254 Senior
Step 5 - $21,441 CCM, $27,567 Senior
Step 6 - $22,513 CCM, $28,946 Senior
Next to the pay scales, it says "International Allowance - payable for block hours worked on international services, $2 per hour - same rate of payment for CCMs and Seniors."
Commission is 10% of gross sales - international.
General Terms
Annual leave 25 working days (includes all vacation, public holiday, paid sick leave)
Uniform will be provided
Training in the US and Ireland
Benefits
401k
Life Insurance
Health Benefits - medical, prescription, dental
Accidental death/dismemberment
Travel privileges
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Lots of talk, but does anyone really know what is going on? First, the compensation for the new F/A's is positively generous especially if you compare it to Virgin America which is really slave labor. Other airlines offer far less than even Virgin is offering. Actually Aer Lingus is offering very fair compensation with 6 scheduled increases. Last time I checked Virgin's second and third year F/A's made the same pay as the first year attendants. If you look at the pay schedule below an important thing to remember is that it is based upon 70 hours of flight time a month or 840 hours a year. That means Aer Lingus is paying about $21/flight hour for a starting junior F/A and $27/flight hour for a senior F/A while Virgin is paying $18/flight hour for an F/A. Also the flying is all international and the allotment for that that is $2/ hour. If you flew 5 trips a month you would make $6,000 additional in tax fee pay. This has nothing to do with union busting. If it did Aer Lingus would be offering much less compensation and benefits then they are. They are looking for professional F/A's that's why they require that you have minimum of 1 year flying to even be considered.
This is a sub-service for United Airlines. When you plug it into the route system (code-share) it makes sense. No airline goes from IAD to MAD. In fact you have to go through another city first to get to MAD. A passenger, who calls United and who wants to get to MAD doesn't care if the carrier is Aer Lingus or United. In fact having a European airline do the route may be an incentive to the traveler.
Why Aer Lingus F/A's would get upset is beyond me. They cannot easily get work permits in the U.S. I suppose that Aer Lingus could open a Madrid base instead of an American base but you have to remember that this is a 'United' flight so it is reasonable that the bulk of the passengers will come from United code-share. Aer Lingus, wanting to capitalize on the open skies agreement, is hiring Americans. It makes sense for Aer Lingus to proceed this way. Now if this doesn't work out, then they will have to let all these crews go simply because there is no way Ireland is going to give work permits to American F/A's when Ireland has high unemployment. Aer Lingus F/A's have nothing to fear and they should be hopeful that this works out. The better Aer Lingus does the better they will do. Their future is tied to the success of Aer Lingus so they better hope that the airline is successful.
This is a sub-service for United Airlines. When you plug it into the route system (code-share) it makes sense. No airline goes from IAD to MAD. In fact you have to go through another city first to get to MAD. A passenger, who calls United and who wants to get to MAD doesn't care if the carrier is Aer Lingus or United. In fact having a European airline do the route may be an incentive to the traveler.
Why Aer Lingus F/A's would get upset is beyond me. They cannot easily get work permits in the U.S. I suppose that Aer Lingus could open a Madrid base instead of an American base but you have to remember that this is a 'United' flight so it is reasonable that the bulk of the passengers will come from United code-share. Aer Lingus, wanting to capitalize on the open skies agreement, is hiring Americans. It makes sense for Aer Lingus to proceed this way. Now if this doesn't work out, then they will have to let all these crews go simply because there is no way Ireland is going to give work permits to American F/A's when Ireland has high unemployment. Aer Lingus F/A's have nothing to fear and they should be hopeful that this works out. The better Aer Lingus does the better they will do. Their future is tied to the success of Aer Lingus so they better hope that the airline is successful.
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Hey Kiddo,
Im afraid you may have your details somewhat wrong! The cost is significantly less as the crew are paid in Dollars which is not doing well against the Euro at present which is the currency EI generally work with.
Aer Lingus crew and pilots are very upset about this route. The route can easily beoperated by Irish based crwe as a "W" pattern however EI do no even operate out of IAD anymore to Ireland so it would have to be via MAD but the company in their infinite wisdom seem to think that they can make money by having a base with a single aircraft thousands of miles away operating a single route with all its own crew there. That just does not make sense especially at a time when the airline is already on its knees demanding changes from its current employees. That is why crew in Ireland are upset.
This venture is only doomed to failure. OK Aer Lingus will get paid even if the flight is empty but that is all. They will not share in profits and basically it is a lease to United, it does not lead to sustainable growth. Also the uncertainty in working this contract would be very stressful as Aer Lingus will just pull it whenever they like! I certainly would not want to be applying for this and would recommend everyone just avoid it!
Im afraid you may have your details somewhat wrong! The cost is significantly less as the crew are paid in Dollars which is not doing well against the Euro at present which is the currency EI generally work with.
Aer Lingus crew and pilots are very upset about this route. The route can easily beoperated by Irish based crwe as a "W" pattern however EI do no even operate out of IAD anymore to Ireland so it would have to be via MAD but the company in their infinite wisdom seem to think that they can make money by having a base with a single aircraft thousands of miles away operating a single route with all its own crew there. That just does not make sense especially at a time when the airline is already on its knees demanding changes from its current employees. That is why crew in Ireland are upset.
This venture is only doomed to failure. OK Aer Lingus will get paid even if the flight is empty but that is all. They will not share in profits and basically it is a lease to United, it does not lead to sustainable growth. Also the uncertainty in working this contract would be very stressful as Aer Lingus will just pull it whenever they like! I certainly would not want to be applying for this and would recommend everyone just avoid it!
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What Heykiddo is not understanding is that Aer Lingus is doing this as a means to an end. What he/she is not understanding is that the long term goal for them is to break the Irish unions by creating bases abroad, and perhaps relocating their corporate headquarters. Did he miss the articles about Aer Lingus trying to open BOS and JFK bases, and having them do DUB as an overnight there and back, so as to avoid paying EU allowances to these crews? Cheap cheap cheap. Essentially this is scab labour , or atleast that is how we in the industry perceive it. The IAD base is a pilot project in that they are testing the waters, both Aer Lingus and United. Ryanair crews from Eastern block countries perhaps? Well, this is exactly what Aer Lingus is doing, only with America. $17,000 a year to start in the DC area, the county that rivals Orange County in terms of cost of living? That would be a poverty wage basically; rent alone for a crash pad that you would share with 10 other crew runs $400 a month. I wonder what Heykiddo will think when US airlines do an open skies agreement with the Phillipines and start crewing from there, where they make about $100 a month. Suddenly this person may not be so keen on what Aer Lingus is up to. One has to look at the big picture, do the research, and understand what is evolving. This is not good.
Just a side note here, United is doing this as a code share to get around ALPA. By subcontracting Aer Lingus in a CPA type agreement would be in violation of their scope clause where an outside carrier can only operate a 70 seater jet max. This is why Aer Lingus shows this route on their website and will be selling tickets. If it were a true capacity purchase agreement where Aer Lingus got paid empty or full, only United would be selling tickets, and of course, United would be forced to shut it down by ALPA as it would be in violation of the scope clause. This is why this deal is so devious as it is clearly a union busting move by both airlines. Apparently ALPA and the AFA are working to block it.
It just makes me angry to see our whole profession being dismantled so that the CEO's can walk away with so much cash. I disdain people that think it is perfectly ok for airlines to exploit its frontline workers financially, so that their managment can have multi-million dollar bonuses. It is sick.
Just a side note here, United is doing this as a code share to get around ALPA. By subcontracting Aer Lingus in a CPA type agreement would be in violation of their scope clause where an outside carrier can only operate a 70 seater jet max. This is why Aer Lingus shows this route on their website and will be selling tickets. If it were a true capacity purchase agreement where Aer Lingus got paid empty or full, only United would be selling tickets, and of course, United would be forced to shut it down by ALPA as it would be in violation of the scope clause. This is why this deal is so devious as it is clearly a union busting move by both airlines. Apparently ALPA and the AFA are working to block it.
It just makes me angry to see our whole profession being dismantled so that the CEO's can walk away with so much cash. I disdain people that think it is perfectly ok for airlines to exploit its frontline workers financially, so that their managment can have multi-million dollar bonuses. It is sick.
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okay but lets look at this in the USA broke traditional way. There are alot of furloughed FA's or "cabin crew" here. There are even FA's leaving their airline for this opportunity. What EI pays here is double the amount you would start off at 1st year at a mainline carrier here. Secondly bidding isnt wonderful when your going to be on reserve for half of your entire life! This is creating jobs.. granted to the Euro its chump change but to the US its not that bad. Many people are jobless or losing thier jobs and this may be the opportunity that comes along as thier saving grace. To others its an opportunity that they may just want to embark on because of thier passion to fly. Either way its opportunity and an open door being that noone except regionals are hiring at this point, and wont be for a very long time. So the fact that UA fa's are upset EI crews are upset dont make a bit of difference to someone that needs a job and income to survive. Its all about survival and anyone in these peoples situations would be doing the same exact thing, and would have had thier application in there in a hot second with the rest! Its NOT scab pay unfortunetly and sadly its expected pay here. I barely came close to breaking 16k with per diem, and being IAD based with three airports to cover on oncall status. 17640 not including per diem is a dream to some over here across the pond! granted we are very much back in the day here still. Yes it is sad to see the CEO's pocket everything. Look what Glenn Tilton at United did to his company. Took away all the pension then turned around and gave him and his executives million dollar bonuses. After HIS airline was used in terrorist attacks, and his people were murdered at work that day, and still to this day UAL management just plain old sucks although unles Glenn's messages are always "stay United" please more like stay seperated. But what can we do about it? NOTHING! The only thing the union can do is fan fires and instigate employees to join along onboard the complain train and then what.. still nothing. To me Unions are just as worthless as the CEO's! We have been trying to get Uncle Glen at United out the door for the longest time. Wearing bracelets saying "Glens gotta go" the union even flew a place with the same message across his penthouse suite in Chicago... Ahem..... He's still here rolling in that dough! haha I will agree that sadly US crews really do need to work on thier professionalism. Really US crews really need to follow the EU crews leads. Hopefully EI trains the new hires to thier standards and dont let them slack off into what we see today over here.
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Comair pays more. It is a US regional, and they were hiring not too long ago. (in your 3rd year you would be at $26 a flight hour which if you worked an 85 hour month, you would gross $30k that year without per diem..) Do your research; you are throwing out a pathetic excuse that no one is buying as you are trying to justify something you know is wrong in your gut. Many American carriers pay much more after you hold out with them for 5 years or more, and you know that. The first 5 years at any airline are tough. This gig will never pay what the cap out rates at Delta, CAL and UAL are paying, not to mention Skywest and Comair. You are knowingly taking this position, realising that this will affect the lives of Irish crews, who will now be unemployed. Regardless of being desperate, you are setting a bench mark in the industry by taking this job. You are telling airlines that they can pay like ****e and people like you will line up for a pile of it. You are not seeing the big picture. They are using you to see how they can undermine current cabin crew and pilot jobs. Get it? Be patient, get another job and wait for the right flying position to come along. Otherwise, accept that you are a form of scab labour.
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It's all a big deal, but at the end of the day you have a job or you don't. I'm well aware there are lot of 'deals' going on, and some of those don't seem great. But, honestly, it's that or MaccyD's or Wendy's.
Bite the bullet, and think about how many airlines have gone under over the last 18 months or so. You want to be an FA? So do it ... or join the Army, or be a brain surgeon. Come on, people; it's a hard world out there.
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Bite the bullet, and think about how many airlines have gone under over the last 18 months or so. You want to be an FA? So do it ... or join the Army, or be a brain surgeon. Come on, people; it's a hard world out there.
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What I think, and I would venture to say most crew would think, is that by you taking jobs like this, they soon will make all of our jobs low paying. At that point, one will have to go work at McDonald's. Are you striving to be an airline professional, or is this just a summer teenage job for you? I blame people that take these jobs for helping ruin our careers. If all new hires said no to inhuman wages, they would be forced to raise the bar to get the right people.
What is wrong with patience and waiting? A lot of us had to wait through the end of the 80's and almost into the mid 90's before the good airlines hired. Do you think we all went and worked for some crap fly by night airline? No we didn't because we had self respect, patience, and we waited for the best opportunity. We worked crap ground jobs for years until we got the right airline position. Don't be so bloody selfish. We all know there are jobs out there in the States that can pay the bills. If one is thinking this scab job is going to even remotely pay any bills, they are sadly mistaken. McDonald's may actually pay more, and I think that puts it all into perspective.
What is wrong with patience and waiting? A lot of us had to wait through the end of the 80's and almost into the mid 90's before the good airlines hired. Do you think we all went and worked for some crap fly by night airline? No we didn't because we had self respect, patience, and we waited for the best opportunity. We worked crap ground jobs for years until we got the right airline position. Don't be so bloody selfish. We all know there are jobs out there in the States that can pay the bills. If one is thinking this scab job is going to even remotely pay any bills, they are sadly mistaken. McDonald's may actually pay more, and I think that puts it all into perspective.
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Does EI hire by base rather than hiring and getting assigned base during training? Also, are the cabin crew either long haul or short haul vs flying all the routes?
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Actually you are a bit misinformed. I have flown for over 22 years and the pay and benefits offered in this market, considering what other airlines are offering, is generous. I have read about the MAD route and I have attended the interview for the F/A position. The Aer Lingus people are all very nice and very excited about this route.
The route is a sub-service for United and the pax which board will be mostly Americans. We are not talking about Irish folks boarding out in IAD. This just simply fills a hole in United's schedule and they are simply taking advantage of the 'open skies' agreement to fill it. Whether it works or not is anybodies guess. But a successful outcome is in both Aer Lingus and United's interests.
If you work for either of these airlines you too should be hoping for their success. Neither company can continue losing money, and they need to find ways to increase revenue. This appears to be a route which is not fully served and at least they are attempting to move forward. The status quo is not an option. 'Open Skies' agreement is here, it is a reality. Things ARE going to change. It is important for all airlines to take advantage of this opportunity or end up on the losing end. I applaud United and Aer Lingus for moving forward and yes, taking a risk.
Actually you are a bit misinformed. I have flown for over 22 years and the pay and benefits offered in this market, considering what other airlines are offering, is generous. I have read about the MAD route and I have attended the interview for the F/A position. The Aer Lingus people are all very nice and very excited about this route.
The route is a sub-service for United and the pax which board will be mostly Americans. We are not talking about Irish folks boarding out in IAD. This just simply fills a hole in United's schedule and they are simply taking advantage of the 'open skies' agreement to fill it. Whether it works or not is anybodies guess. But a successful outcome is in both Aer Lingus and United's interests.
If you work for either of these airlines you too should be hoping for their success. Neither company can continue losing money, and they need to find ways to increase revenue. This appears to be a route which is not fully served and at least they are attempting to move forward. The status quo is not an option. 'Open Skies' agreement is here, it is a reality. Things ARE going to change. It is important for all airlines to take advantage of this opportunity or end up on the losing end. I applaud United and Aer Lingus for moving forward and yes, taking a risk.
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We'll wait for your report about how generous they are with that 45 minute call out and the $17k a year for the junior crew. When one's average cheque per month is around $2000, let us know how generous you feel they are. I am not sure what airlines you have been looking at, or perhaps only the very low paying airlines have offerred you a position, but as mentioned earlier, even regionals like Comair and Skywest have a greater long term scale. Good luck, but as Aer Lingus is literally struggling for its survival, I think you are being foolish. Ofcourse the recruiters were being nice; are you so naive to think they are going to paint the real picture for you? I think I am beginning to understand why they chose America for this venture......
I do not think outsourcing work to other countries is the answer. I do not think it is ethical for them to start this IAD base as a beginning, and then later adding on DUB, because you know this is what is going to happen. Karma has a great way of getting back to you, and if you get this ball rolling, you are just asking for trouble. After time walking through Dulles in that uniform will be a walk of shame for you, as many we be glaring. We can thank you for helping company's get rid of their current staff and outsource people like you. Thanks for helping ruin the Cabin Crew career!
I do not think outsourcing work to other countries is the answer. I do not think it is ethical for them to start this IAD base as a beginning, and then later adding on DUB, because you know this is what is going to happen. Karma has a great way of getting back to you, and if you get this ball rolling, you are just asking for trouble. After time walking through Dulles in that uniform will be a walk of shame for you, as many we be glaring. We can thank you for helping company's get rid of their current staff and outsource people like you. Thanks for helping ruin the Cabin Crew career!