BA 11 Month Contracts- Cabin Crew
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BA 11 Month Contracts- Cabin Crew
Hey,
I'm currently on the 11 month (temp) contract with BA.. ending in Feb 2009
Anyone else on the same contract as me? and anyone got any updates, with what will happen to temps?? will they be kept on etc (or not)..
Thank you in advance
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I'm currently on the 11 month (temp) contract with BA.. ending in Feb 2009
Anyone else on the same contract as me? and anyone got any updates, with what will happen to temps?? will they be kept on etc (or not)..
Thank you in advance
x
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Unless circumstances change significantly you'll be getting your Dear John email after 11 months. They are already waving goodbye to those whose 11 months are up with no transfers to other parts of BA. Probably not what you want to hear but best to plan for it early.
Just curious about this - I know personally of 3 Temps who have just been laid off yet at the same time it would seem ( from threads here) that the Company can still recruit newbies to fill the same posts? I have to assume this is legit and above board, isn't it?
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It is legal as the temps contracts stated that it was a temp appointment. On the ramp side some of the temps that joined in July actually had a dear john with their joining papers. Do not give up hope as there may well be severance offers to senior service CC staff before that. On a positive note as well it is anticipated that there well be an increase in flights next year.
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Temps will not be kept on, hope you enjoyed the trips on ww lhr , just think of the crew @ LGW who have been waiting to transfer to ww lhr . Personally Ive been waiting to be offered a transfer for over 5 yrs !
You can always apply to lgw !!
You can always apply to lgw !!
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How can they apply to LGW? Is there not a recrutment freeze?
Also do lhref not have first option of transfer to lhrww and to get on WW from lgw you have to go on lhref first?
Also do lhref not have first option of transfer to lhrww and to get on WW from lgw you have to go on lhref first?
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flyer you need to remember
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you need to remeber also the reason you waited was because
THERE WERE ALOT MORE SENIOR CREW TO YOU AT LGW, AS YOU WERE QUIET JUNIOR DUE TO INFACT NOT JOINING BA DIRECT BUT BY GETTING INTO BA WHEN YOUR AIRLINE CITYFLYER EXPRESS WAS BROUGHT OUT AND TAKEN INTO BA, OTHERWISE NO DOUBT YOU WOULD STILL BE AT CITYFLYER NOW
also lgw the nsp has only recently been accepted into lgw and signed off therefore you can now transfer to lhr, but as you know as u are a cm, ( lhr equivilant psr) you will have ot take the purser role at lhr and you are aware that lhr are well over crewed with psrs and crew at this current time and no spaces are avaliable for current crew to transfer.
also with only 2 years of nsp seniority , you are still classed as very junior and there are 1000s of crew to transfer above you.
think of thoses poor souls at xl and zoom etc who dont have a flying job when well infact you do, ok its lgw but lgw is a great base belive me. at lhr you will be eaten alive with the way you carry on, belive me
hope you are better now and back at work
you need to remeber also the reason you waited was because
THERE WERE ALOT MORE SENIOR CREW TO YOU AT LGW, AS YOU WERE QUIET JUNIOR DUE TO INFACT NOT JOINING BA DIRECT BUT BY GETTING INTO BA WHEN YOUR AIRLINE CITYFLYER EXPRESS WAS BROUGHT OUT AND TAKEN INTO BA, OTHERWISE NO DOUBT YOU WOULD STILL BE AT CITYFLYER NOW
also lgw the nsp has only recently been accepted into lgw and signed off therefore you can now transfer to lhr, but as you know as u are a cm, ( lhr equivilant psr) you will have ot take the purser role at lhr and you are aware that lhr are well over crewed with psrs and crew at this current time and no spaces are avaliable for current crew to transfer.
also with only 2 years of nsp seniority , you are still classed as very junior and there are 1000s of crew to transfer above you.
think of thoses poor souls at xl and zoom etc who dont have a flying job when well infact you do, ok its lgw but lgw is a great base belive me. at lhr you will be eaten alive with the way you carry on, belive me
hope you are better now and back at work
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Lgwflyboy , if you know me pvte me !
Personally as the CM role is currently in discussion and at the moment cm's would transfer over as a psr , however if role is mage substantive CM's will transfer over as CSD's or Cm's and yeah it is on the horizion to happen at LHR and if that means a new fleet being set up at LHR . I know that both unions @ lgw are going to push for this .
With NSP LGW crew originally had a date of 2001/2002 that had been temp agreed which bassa went back on and mike conroy was asked this when the forums were being held when Gatwick Fleet was being set up.
Personally nobody should be penalised over NSP , but permament crew should be given priority over temps !
Railgun - with the new lists about to open soon for transfers that means that current lgw crew can put their name down to transfer to ww lhr instead of having to go via EF LHR . Personally LGW crew past and present should never have been penalised on transfering !
Personally as the CM role is currently in discussion and at the moment cm's would transfer over as a psr , however if role is mage substantive CM's will transfer over as CSD's or Cm's and yeah it is on the horizion to happen at LHR and if that means a new fleet being set up at LHR . I know that both unions @ lgw are going to push for this .
With NSP LGW crew originally had a date of 2001/2002 that had been temp agreed which bassa went back on and mike conroy was asked this when the forums were being held when Gatwick Fleet was being set up.
Personally nobody should be penalised over NSP , but permament crew should be given priority over temps !
Railgun - with the new lists about to open soon for transfers that means that current lgw crew can put their name down to transfer to ww lhr instead of having to go via EF LHR . Personally LGW crew past and present should never have been penalised on transfering !
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To those of you on the temp contract,
Now is the time to brace yourself. In the last few years the industry did not have the crises that is facing the industry now. I do not think there is a question as to whether or not you will be kept on or redeployed, the answer is simple, you wont be staying. Sad but true.
XL will not be the last airline to go under, in fact it is only the start of things to come. I fear that the market will soon be bursting with unemployed crew trying to get any job they can flying and the competition will be ruthless. Even Ryanair is now planning on grounding crew.
Use your last little while in BA to enjoy the flying and the routes. You will love it and it will be something you will always remember and tell your kids about. Make the most of it and do not worry about what will happen to you. But do make sure you have your CV up to date (BA will look great on it regardless and companies will be understanding of the fact that you were on a temp contract and market conditions prevented you from staying on), apply for jobs outside of the industry and do what you can to secure employment for yourself outside of BA BEFORE the whole economy takes a hit, otherwise you will not only find yourself up against a lot of out of work crew but also fighting against hundreds of thousands of other skilled unemployed made redundant by the recession!
Now is the time to brace yourself. In the last few years the industry did not have the crises that is facing the industry now. I do not think there is a question as to whether or not you will be kept on or redeployed, the answer is simple, you wont be staying. Sad but true.
XL will not be the last airline to go under, in fact it is only the start of things to come. I fear that the market will soon be bursting with unemployed crew trying to get any job they can flying and the competition will be ruthless. Even Ryanair is now planning on grounding crew.
Use your last little while in BA to enjoy the flying and the routes. You will love it and it will be something you will always remember and tell your kids about. Make the most of it and do not worry about what will happen to you. But do make sure you have your CV up to date (BA will look great on it regardless and companies will be understanding of the fact that you were on a temp contract and market conditions prevented you from staying on), apply for jobs outside of the industry and do what you can to secure employment for yourself outside of BA BEFORE the whole economy takes a hit, otherwise you will not only find yourself up against a lot of out of work crew but also fighting against hundreds of thousands of other skilled unemployed made redundant by the recession!
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yes no staff should be penalised , however as eog as it was then was a different part of ba, and crew who joined there knew this ( mind u i do belive that somewere miss lead into thinking it was mainline ba when it was not) also others got there from there airlines like you did applying for a job a cityflyer express and getting a job with them not ba ( eog or mainline)when ba brought them over, it was your choice to stay, ba did not make you.
with regards to the temps who are due to go, as they are already trained in ba service and styles etc it would pay to give them the jobs that ba are going to train upto 3 new courses in dec/jan, not only saving the company alot of money but to also give the temps who on a whole are fantastic
a chance of a full time permanant job at ba .
yes the opps and choice list will open again soon , so put your name down on it and try to go to lhr, but you as well as me and 1000's of others know fly boy that ba is well over crewed on all grades of ranks and fleets at lhr, and remember there are alot of senior people on lists etc that wish tio change and as i said before are alot more senior to you at ba , and as you know ba are a seniority based company, but you can try to go up to heathrow, but with ba offering alot of unpaid leave etc to all grades and fleets i doubt this will be very soon or in the near future.
with regards to the cm, yes they have not said if this will stay etc or will be made equal to the csd role but as you are aware if you come to lhr now you will only be able to come in as a purser, and they seem to be keen to get ride of the csd role and take another purser of the aircraft, so i doubt there is going to be any room for you
lets just wait and here what they plan to do with lhr re new fleet, remember they can try and get what they want but most crew at lhr are bassa the strong non company puppet union so i doubt they will get to far at all.
i think in this time of the credit crunch and aviation crisis we should be lucky we have flying jobs as think of the others that dont or are about to loose there jobs with other airlines due to go under.
i do hope flyer you get what you want and as everyone knows all you have ever wanted was to go to lhr ever since you have come from fd, yes you may be now on the road to getting there, but under what time scale or conditions who knows. look forward to flying with you again soon, but you just need to chill a bit even managers ignore you now on the forum
as willy said to virgin, " its like a broken record"
with regards to the temps who are due to go, as they are already trained in ba service and styles etc it would pay to give them the jobs that ba are going to train upto 3 new courses in dec/jan, not only saving the company alot of money but to also give the temps who on a whole are fantastic
a chance of a full time permanant job at ba .
yes the opps and choice list will open again soon , so put your name down on it and try to go to lhr, but you as well as me and 1000's of others know fly boy that ba is well over crewed on all grades of ranks and fleets at lhr, and remember there are alot of senior people on lists etc that wish tio change and as i said before are alot more senior to you at ba , and as you know ba are a seniority based company, but you can try to go up to heathrow, but with ba offering alot of unpaid leave etc to all grades and fleets i doubt this will be very soon or in the near future.
with regards to the cm, yes they have not said if this will stay etc or will be made equal to the csd role but as you are aware if you come to lhr now you will only be able to come in as a purser, and they seem to be keen to get ride of the csd role and take another purser of the aircraft, so i doubt there is going to be any room for you
lets just wait and here what they plan to do with lhr re new fleet, remember they can try and get what they want but most crew at lhr are bassa the strong non company puppet union so i doubt they will get to far at all.
i think in this time of the credit crunch and aviation crisis we should be lucky we have flying jobs as think of the others that dont or are about to loose there jobs with other airlines due to go under.
i do hope flyer you get what you want and as everyone knows all you have ever wanted was to go to lhr ever since you have come from fd, yes you may be now on the road to getting there, but under what time scale or conditions who knows. look forward to flying with you again soon, but you just need to chill a bit even managers ignore you now on the forum
as willy said to virgin, " its like a broken record"
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Flyer55, don't take this the wrong way but you chose to go to LGW. It's all about decisions.
Personally, I find this transfer list, sometimes, extremely ridiciolous and is treated as holy. It's amazing that BA never seems able to sort out the transfer issue. The lists are pretty long. Do the transfers and take the numbers down to zero. Start from scratch. Recruit straight into any fleet. Still, you've got certain crew moaning that they had to transfer and that it should stay that way! Let it be ancient and this is exactly why this mentality still exists. Things change and process and perhaps it's time this would also take that direction.
I had to transfer from EF and WW and to be honest, I wouldn't mind at all if the temporary crew were given permanent contract. Most of them are full of life and fantastic to work with!
Personally, I find this transfer list, sometimes, extremely ridiciolous and is treated as holy. It's amazing that BA never seems able to sort out the transfer issue. The lists are pretty long. Do the transfers and take the numbers down to zero. Start from scratch. Recruit straight into any fleet. Still, you've got certain crew moaning that they had to transfer and that it should stay that way! Let it be ancient and this is exactly why this mentality still exists. Things change and process and perhaps it's time this would also take that direction.
I had to transfer from EF and WW and to be honest, I wouldn't mind at all if the temporary crew were given permanent contract. Most of them are full of life and fantastic to work with!
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wiggy,
If it's a temporary contract, that's allowable. If you are in post (pilot, cabin crew, whatever) for more than twelve months, your rights are different (greater) if you are laid off.
If you really want to start a conspiracy, why do BA want to create a whole load of experienced (in the legal sense) cabin crew who are eager to stay with the company and could perhaps come back if they were called?
In fourteen hundred and ninety two .......
Just curious about this - I know personally of 3 Temps who have just been laid off yet at the same time it would seem ( from threads here) that the Company can still recruit newbies to fill the same posts? I have to assume this is legit and above board, isn't it?
If you really want to start a conspiracy, why do BA want to create a whole load of experienced (in the legal sense) cabin crew who are eager to stay with the company and could perhaps come back if they were called?
In fourteen hundred and ninety two .......
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4 reasons;
1) The Gatwick style of flying is very cost effective
2) The segregated Longhaul/shorthaul style of flying is expensive for the airline and has been abandoned by many of our competitors. It just isn't an efficient way to use our resources
3) Sat in a meeting with a Crew Manager that strongly hinted this was on the way.
4) BASSA communication a few weeks ago signalling/hinting things would soon change at LHR
How it will be implemented I don't know ... I would imagine the company would start with all future new-hires and/or shorthaul crew.
My own conclusion is that this WW / EF thing is on its way out. How quickly it will be implemented I don't know.
4 reasons;
1) The Gatwick style of flying is very cost effective
2) The segregated Longhaul/shorthaul style of flying is expensive for the airline and has been abandoned by many of our competitors. It just isn't an efficient way to use our resources
3) Sat in a meeting with a Crew Manager that strongly hinted this was on the way.
4) BASSA communication a few weeks ago signalling/hinting things would soon change at LHR
How it will be implemented I don't know ... I would imagine the company would start with all future new-hires and/or shorthaul crew.
My own conclusion is that this WW / EF thing is on its way out. How quickly it will be implemented I don't know.
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Looking at the way that Qantas are doing things with the A380 could give a pointer to the way ahead. It seems that they are establishing a separate A380 fleet on different terms and conditions (no Long Range Payments?).
Think how that might transfer across to the BA world at LHR.
The Shorthaul arena will shortly become an A320 family domain. Add the A380 and/or B787 to that on revised T&C and suddenly you undermine the Longhaul Long Range bonanza.
There will also shortly be the results from the Inland Revenue allowances review - I confidently expect that the tax rates will rise upwards to about 60-70%. That will get BASSA back to the table to discuss TAFB allowances at a lower tax rate, and facilitate other changes in the agreements, imho (before we get into the changes demanded by the current economic climate).
Imho monumental changes are about to be tabled within the next month. Watch this space.
Think how that might transfer across to the BA world at LHR.
The Shorthaul arena will shortly become an A320 family domain. Add the A380 and/or B787 to that on revised T&C and suddenly you undermine the Longhaul Long Range bonanza.
There will also shortly be the results from the Inland Revenue allowances review - I confidently expect that the tax rates will rise upwards to about 60-70%. That will get BASSA back to the table to discuss TAFB allowances at a lower tax rate, and facilitate other changes in the agreements, imho (before we get into the changes demanded by the current economic climate).
Imho monumental changes are about to be tabled within the next month. Watch this space.
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Fasten your seatbelts we are in for a bumpy ride 
We are deffo going to see a change in our T&C's. This was planned way before oil shot up and the credit crunch and impending recession.
We are deffo going to see a change in our T&C's. This was planned way before oil shot up and the credit crunch and impending recession.
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re mixed fleet flying
As the CAA regulations stand at the moment cabin crew are only permitted to be licensed on 3 a/c family types. No cabin crew could be licensed on 747, 777, 767, 757, 320 (321, 319 inclusive). Unless of course BA are going to get rid of 2 a/c types it could not happen as there would still have to be 2 cabin crew fleets.
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