Mass exodus at easyJet LGW?
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Er...in reponse to a previous posting, I don't know of any crew who would leave BA to go to EZY.
Sounds like morale is at an all time low, seems a different airline than the one I used to work for!
Sounds like morale is at an all time low, seems a different airline than the one I used to work for!
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Girtbar- very well said, you should be in management. As an EZY pilot I must say that the majority of the crew are excellent. I honestly dont know how you do it though, its like a nanny state, I wouldnt last five minutes.
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Well you would be surprised at the number that do leave BA and Virgin to come back to Ezy. Its a shame though as for most, who have left, return to an airline that is very different to how they left it.
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Well I would be interested in knowing the figures.
I worked for easyJet then left for BA and would never ever go back to easyJet ... there is simply NO comparison whatsoever ... life at BA is 1000 times better for me ... please don't get me wrong, it's my personal take having worked at easyJet a few years ago ... no offence to anyone who enjoys working at easyJet ... good for you, and long may it continue!
I worked for easyJet then left for BA and would never ever go back to easyJet ... there is simply NO comparison whatsoever ... life at BA is 1000 times better for me ... please don't get me wrong, it's my personal take having worked at easyJet a few years ago ... no offence to anyone who enjoys working at easyJet ... good for you, and long may it continue!
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Virginia:
I don't know the turn-over figures but it is very high at the moment. In 2.5 years of working for them I have never seen so many people leaving.
I'm personally quite surprised as the last thing I would do at the moment is going for a different aviation job considering how bad the times for the whole industry are. At least with easyjet I've got some sort of seniority. With a new airline it would be last one in, first one out -if the need occurs! But that's just me. Then on the other hand, all this talk at looking at the efficiency of our smaller bases makes people working at these very nervous. If they suspect their base might get closed down as a result they might want to find a new employer close to their home. I couldn't blame them.
The rumour you mention is very interesting indeed. I don't know anything about it but it would make a lot of sense, considering that they want to have 200-400 crew less over winter (due to 5-10 a/c less), and they want to get rid of all a/c that are not A319 asap. So I wouldn't be surprised at all if your rumour is true. I think there has been some trouble with ex GB crew as well...supposedly all the SCCM (ex GB) are earning less money and are therefore not very happy. And they have been calling out cleaners for every turn-around (there was actually a notice about it so that bit is true.). All in all, I wouldn't be surprised if easyjet wants to get rid of them, especially the ones that are obviously not willing to integrate.
I don't know the turn-over figures but it is very high at the moment. In 2.5 years of working for them I have never seen so many people leaving.
I'm personally quite surprised as the last thing I would do at the moment is going for a different aviation job considering how bad the times for the whole industry are. At least with easyjet I've got some sort of seniority. With a new airline it would be last one in, first one out -if the need occurs! But that's just me. Then on the other hand, all this talk at looking at the efficiency of our smaller bases makes people working at these very nervous. If they suspect their base might get closed down as a result they might want to find a new employer close to their home. I couldn't blame them.
The rumour you mention is very interesting indeed. I don't know anything about it but it would make a lot of sense, considering that they want to have 200-400 crew less over winter (due to 5-10 a/c less), and they want to get rid of all a/c that are not A319 asap. So I wouldn't be surprised at all if your rumour is true. I think there has been some trouble with ex GB crew as well...supposedly all the SCCM (ex GB) are earning less money and are therefore not very happy. And they have been calling out cleaners for every turn-around (there was actually a notice about it so that bit is true.). All in all, I wouldn't be surprised if easyjet wants to get rid of them, especially the ones that are obviously not willing to integrate.
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The cleaner thing stopped a long time ago, it happened a few times in the days after integration. It certainly has not been happening every turnaround.
Yes, some crew have been offered voluntary severance. Others are being offered easyJet contracts with a cash payment for signing.
41% of the ex-GB crew will be losing money.
Yes, some crew have been offered voluntary severance. Others are being offered easyJet contracts with a cash payment for signing.
41% of the ex-GB crew will be losing money.
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Funny thing is that a lot of the issues could have been avoided with a bit more man management skills from EZY side.
It's really not always about the $$$, people do appreciate being felt made welcome and some understanding would have gone a long way. Call it 21st century management style. Taking away these 'travel letters' was just silly after handing them out first for all the obvious reasons.
For you ex GB crew - hope you realise how the Gibraltarian royal family and their henchman have left you out to dry.
For you EZY guys - most of the GB crews are a good lot, their SCCM's have a wealth of experience and it would be good to share experiences. They are not the 'enemy' - they are just people who care about their industry and their families. They feel pushed in a corner with no support.
I also whole heartedly believe that 99% of the EZY crew are fantastic crew!
It's really not always about the $$$, people do appreciate being felt made welcome and some understanding would have gone a long way. Call it 21st century management style. Taking away these 'travel letters' was just silly after handing them out first for all the obvious reasons.
For you ex GB crew - hope you realise how the Gibraltarian royal family and their henchman have left you out to dry.
For you EZY guys - most of the GB crews are a good lot, their SCCM's have a wealth of experience and it would be good to share experiences. They are not the 'enemy' - they are just people who care about their industry and their families. They feel pushed in a corner with no support.
I also whole heartedly believe that 99% of the EZY crew are fantastic crew!
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All in all, I wouldn't be surprised if easyjet wants to get rid of them, especially the ones that are obviously not willing to integrate
DOLLEY, same story with bmi/bmed!
DOLLEY, same story with bmi/bmed!
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G-MEDA
You use the word integrate - it takes two to tango to make integration work. Yes there as those that will not integrate - however there are many more who are willing to integrate but it is made impossible for them (due procedure and attitudes).
Some of the ex GB guys will truly take a financial bleeding here - the fact that EZY crew have allowed themselves and accepted to end up on £13k SCCM contracts (that will screw you when you go on maternity, mortgage applications, leave and sickness) does not mean that that should be an accepted industry norm. So the GB guys are just looking to make sure they get the best deal possible.
Also don't believe that EZY crew are God's gift to the aviation world - you are just like any other. And it would grace those who are willing to learn from some of the GB crew with 20 years + experience under their belt. Interestingly enough, some of the highest bars are currently being achieved by GB crew.
The thought you can integrate whilst you have clear seperation of crew tables in the crew room is just naive to the extreme.
After many years in the industry it is so frustrating to see petty attitudes amongst cc (BA/CityFlyer etc etc) - it is a job, you are a worker, stand up for better working conditions (like they achieved at GB). It really hacks me off to see this childish behaviour.
EZY is not doing as well as it has been doing - don't forget your business model survives on a continious expation startegy with buy and lease back of a/c which in bear market does not work. One day you might find yourself in the shoes of the GB lot (God forbid!) and you might wish people would treat you the way you would like to be treated!
Brgds from a sunny Florida.
You use the word integrate - it takes two to tango to make integration work. Yes there as those that will not integrate - however there are many more who are willing to integrate but it is made impossible for them (due procedure and attitudes).
Some of the ex GB guys will truly take a financial bleeding here - the fact that EZY crew have allowed themselves and accepted to end up on £13k SCCM contracts (that will screw you when you go on maternity, mortgage applications, leave and sickness) does not mean that that should be an accepted industry norm. So the GB guys are just looking to make sure they get the best deal possible.
Also don't believe that EZY crew are God's gift to the aviation world - you are just like any other. And it would grace those who are willing to learn from some of the GB crew with 20 years + experience under their belt. Interestingly enough, some of the highest bars are currently being achieved by GB crew.
The thought you can integrate whilst you have clear seperation of crew tables in the crew room is just naive to the extreme.
After many years in the industry it is so frustrating to see petty attitudes amongst cc (BA/CityFlyer etc etc) - it is a job, you are a worker, stand up for better working conditions (like they achieved at GB). It really hacks me off to see this childish behaviour.
EZY is not doing as well as it has been doing - don't forget your business model survives on a continious expation startegy with buy and lease back of a/c which in bear market does not work. One day you might find yourself in the shoes of the GB lot (God forbid!) and you might wish people would treat you the way you would like to be treated!
Brgds from a sunny Florida.
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Lauderdale:
G-MEDA was quoting me, using the word integrate.
I wholeheartedly agree with you that integration needs to work from both sides.
I was not attacking Ex-GB crew in any way, only stating that I could see from an easyjet management point of view why they would want to get rid of them, especially the ones that are not willing to integrate. I unfortunately could see, again from an management point of view, why they would not want to keep the ones who are asking for better working conditions. At the end of the day they would have to give them to all of us, and I don't think they want to do that...
I stated as well that I could understand Ex-GB crew for wanting to leave because I heard as well that the SCCM are making less money with easyjet.
I personally don't work from an Ex-GB base so I have seen nothing about the whole situation with my own eyes (e.g. this is the first time I hear about seperated briefing tables). I'm sure that Ex-GB crew are at the end the same as easyjet crew or any other crew, just normal people, some better, some worse, being in the job for the glory and the glamour ;-)
I'm very sorry to hear that the GB-crew wasn't made felt welcome during the change -I personally believe that management has been a let down during the past year in general so I'm not surprised to hear it though. It's annoying because it used to be fun to work here, now it's just a job...
Anyway, we'll see what the pulse results bring...and what kind of action will be taken...and as well, the union is starting pay negotiations for October soon....with the whole fuel situation going on....interesting times!
G-MEDA was quoting me, using the word integrate.
I wholeheartedly agree with you that integration needs to work from both sides.
I was not attacking Ex-GB crew in any way, only stating that I could see from an easyjet management point of view why they would want to get rid of them, especially the ones that are not willing to integrate. I unfortunately could see, again from an management point of view, why they would not want to keep the ones who are asking for better working conditions. At the end of the day they would have to give them to all of us, and I don't think they want to do that...
I stated as well that I could understand Ex-GB crew for wanting to leave because I heard as well that the SCCM are making less money with easyjet.
I personally don't work from an Ex-GB base so I have seen nothing about the whole situation with my own eyes (e.g. this is the first time I hear about seperated briefing tables). I'm sure that Ex-GB crew are at the end the same as easyjet crew or any other crew, just normal people, some better, some worse, being in the job for the glory and the glamour ;-)
I'm very sorry to hear that the GB-crew wasn't made felt welcome during the change -I personally believe that management has been a let down during the past year in general so I'm not surprised to hear it though. It's annoying because it used to be fun to work here, now it's just a job...
Anyway, we'll see what the pulse results bring...and what kind of action will be taken...and as well, the union is starting pay negotiations for October soon....with the whole fuel situation going on....interesting times!
