why is the cabin that gay and the cockpit extremely macho??
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milehi, let me ask u one ?.
how the hell r u going to detect or worse still stop a toilet fire from your seat up front.
what about the times when a pax loses it and tries to make his way to the cockpit.
i wonder who it is that keeps 400 pax under control, its not u buddy.
now i know we don't need a degree to be doing our job, and yes i agree that yours has a lot more responsibility, but at the end of the day we can't do it without u and visa versa pal..
so before u put yourself on a higher pedestal, i have met many a flight deck crew that have smaller brains than an ant and many cabin crew that could do your job without sweat....
i bet u don't talk like this to your crew when on duty do u ?
how the hell r u going to detect or worse still stop a toilet fire from your seat up front.
what about the times when a pax loses it and tries to make his way to the cockpit.
i wonder who it is that keeps 400 pax under control, its not u buddy.
now i know we don't need a degree to be doing our job, and yes i agree that yours has a lot more responsibility, but at the end of the day we can't do it without u and visa versa pal..
so before u put yourself on a higher pedestal, i have met many a flight deck crew that have smaller brains than an ant and many cabin crew that could do your job without sweat....
i bet u don't talk like this to your crew when on duty do u ?
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it's so funny to see this statement come true (see initial msg). That there is a big difference on one side of the cockpitdoor and the other side.
Not even a week ago I flew as purser on the 737-400 and had as flightdeck (one former firefighter and a novice of 21 y.o.) and in the cabin a conference interpreter, a biologist, a slavonic linguist and a civil ingeneer. Not as pax, just the degrees of the cabin crew. There you see... the brains ARE sometimes in the back and cabin crew is not always blonde with the brains of a breadroll. (no offence though)
We had a stop-over in Barcelona and the funny thing was that the cockpit was really silent in our presence. We talked about things of life and they were amazed about the knowledge there was in their cabin.
We felt amused ...
The next morning:
Captain: tea or coffee?
P. Arempi
P.S. One common feeling we had, is that we don't have to spend the rest of our days in a cabin and that we can easily search back a job in our different domains. For them, it won't be that easy. 'Stuck in the cockpit' as a captain once said.
Not even a week ago I flew as purser on the 737-400 and had as flightdeck (one former firefighter and a novice of 21 y.o.) and in the cabin a conference interpreter, a biologist, a slavonic linguist and a civil ingeneer. Not as pax, just the degrees of the cabin crew. There you see... the brains ARE sometimes in the back and cabin crew is not always blonde with the brains of a breadroll. (no offence though)
We had a stop-over in Barcelona and the funny thing was that the cockpit was really silent in our presence. We talked about things of life and they were amazed about the knowledge there was in their cabin.
We felt amused ...
The next morning:
Captain: tea or coffee?
P. Arempi
P.S. One common feeling we had, is that we don't have to spend the rest of our days in a cabin and that we can easily search back a job in our different domains. For them, it won't be that easy. 'Stuck in the cockpit' as a captain once said.
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xtc,
Lets grab the bull by the horns here and be realistic for a while. You do your job and I do mine. They have very different desciptions which is why you get to stop passengers getting to the flightdeck (cockpit is nowadays rarely used as it pisses off our lady drivers) and I get to take-off, land and everything else in between. Who do you come to when you cannot control those pax? Or, when that toilet fire gets out of hand. When you run out if ideas, please remember we still have a few tricks (procedures - for those that take things so literally) up our sleeves that might save the day. Yes, I agree there is no way on Gods green (brown if you're in the Middle east) earth the flightdeck crew can possibly know whats going on behind the flightdeck door, let alone downstairs (if you fly a Jumbo) unless someone (obviously the cabin crew) tells them. Lets turn this all around and ask exactly what you would do if an engine failed at 35000 feet in the cruise? Chances are you wouldn't even know about it until the Captain told you! The idea is not how important we deem our position on board the aircraft to be, it the achievment of the final goal.
Someone mentioned teamwork up top there somewhere "chains and links", let me make a statement. I don't know of any Pilot (male or female) which has feelings of hostility to cabin crew in general. However does reverse hold true? Please note I deliberatly use the words "IN GENERAL" this has nothing to do with a dislike for certain individuals.
I think you are all deviating from the original question. I don't like being hit on buy men. Thats was my point, nothing more. Slaaag, I guarantee you ARE wrong about restraining yourself, but well done on your final comment. Someone has finaly seen the light.
PS: I hate those sandwiches anyway!
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Lets grab the bull by the horns here and be realistic for a while. You do your job and I do mine. They have very different desciptions which is why you get to stop passengers getting to the flightdeck (cockpit is nowadays rarely used as it pisses off our lady drivers) and I get to take-off, land and everything else in between. Who do you come to when you cannot control those pax? Or, when that toilet fire gets out of hand. When you run out if ideas, please remember we still have a few tricks (procedures - for those that take things so literally) up our sleeves that might save the day. Yes, I agree there is no way on Gods green (brown if you're in the Middle east) earth the flightdeck crew can possibly know whats going on behind the flightdeck door, let alone downstairs (if you fly a Jumbo) unless someone (obviously the cabin crew) tells them. Lets turn this all around and ask exactly what you would do if an engine failed at 35000 feet in the cruise? Chances are you wouldn't even know about it until the Captain told you! The idea is not how important we deem our position on board the aircraft to be, it the achievment of the final goal.
Someone mentioned teamwork up top there somewhere "chains and links", let me make a statement. I don't know of any Pilot (male or female) which has feelings of hostility to cabin crew in general. However does reverse hold true? Please note I deliberatly use the words "IN GENERAL" this has nothing to do with a dislike for certain individuals.
I think you are all deviating from the original question. I don't like being hit on buy men. Thats was my point, nothing more. Slaaag, I guarantee you ARE wrong about restraining yourself, but well done on your final comment. Someone has finaly seen the light.
PS: I hate those sandwiches anyway!
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I think milehi is a one big wind-up merchant. I really fail to believe that anyone with an ounce of intelligence could hold those views and take them seriously.
If he is really this much of a w--ker, then he'll only have to open his mouth to prevent himself ever being hit on by either of the sexes!
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If he is really this much of a w--ker, then he'll only have to open his mouth to prevent himself ever being hit on by either of the sexes!
[This message has been edited by bart2000 (edited 06 September 2000).]
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Very few gay in the Cabin since the European stewards left this Arabic airline - though most of them were straight when they joined. More females gay than men.
There is a slight difference to the meaning of gay around here - you are only considered that way if you take it - not if you give it - a bit like the Romans.
A few rumours running on the flight deck side though.
There is a slight difference to the meaning of gay around here - you are only considered that way if you take it - not if you give it - a bit like the Romans.
A few rumours running on the flight deck side though.
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Huummm. Bart2000, I think your absolutely correct. How could anyone be such a w*****r? I think milehi is talking us for a ride. He couldn't possibly be serious and there does seem to be a bit of humour there. But if he is serious, perhaps he'd better get out of the job because he's CRM skills are NIL, consequently, this is even more dangerous than an engine failure. The successful handling of in any emergency (no matter how big or small) relies totally on the entire team on board the aircraft and their ability to work effectively together.
Finally, just have to add that QF are not 99.99999999 gay/lesbian. I doubt that they have no more gay/lesbian than any other average airline.
Finally, just have to add that QF are not 99.99999999 gay/lesbian. I doubt that they have no more gay/lesbian than any other average airline.
