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Further to the comments made I feel a terrible saddness at the way the staff at XL have been treated and for some of them today to be told they have two weeks left is an utter disgrace, I advise all of you in this postion now reading this to challenge you union rep and get as many answers as you possibly can to all you guys and girls that work on the B747/B757/B767 how many of you guys have been given the two options? my theory is that there will be considerably more B738 staff kept on than the rest of you! as the B738 will be the main stay of the fleet, now approaching the law the legal boundaries on that are in your favour as that is regarded as discrimination so please all of you get your union working for you, please don't lie down and simply accept what you think might be wrong, if the decision suits you best of luck to you, if it does'nt use your voice and ASK QUESTIONS best of luck to you all . 
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Paul ,
Point 1 Im not your mate, It did go on attendance etc.Points were first awarded for performance in your stated categories
2. Re Thank you letters.You are just repeating more galley fm that I have also heard. A final adjudication in a tie..maybe....unfair adjudication maybe.Thats for the individuals to fight if true. It may be , but not in the context you present ie the only criteria.
3. Your initial interpretation of the choices indicates that you clearly wouldnt have the grasp to be heavily involved in any consultation.It does represent a common misunderstanding amongst the cabin crew . But surely not a arbitration expert?Or are you just a militant 1 year wonder operating in the shadows of rumour under guise of helping people.
4. If you dont work for XL as I do then you are well informed but clearly by galley fm, therefore well informed with hearsay.
5. What next ..they are out to get ex AAE or this fleet or that. Do me a favour, so paranoid and quite frankly tiresome. It does go hand in hand with the thank you letters conspiricy.
Im sorry and bewildered to see some people go with dignity and not surprised at others who happen to be spouting the "letter" theory and bleating on about it.mmmm.You do the maths. Now stop presenting hearsay as fact. As you admit you dont work for XL therefore as I said its typical galley FM
Insensitive handling is unnacceptable I agree. There now we can be friends we agree on something.
Point 1 Im not your mate, It did go on attendance etc.Points were first awarded for performance in your stated categories
2. Re Thank you letters.You are just repeating more galley fm that I have also heard. A final adjudication in a tie..maybe....unfair adjudication maybe.Thats for the individuals to fight if true. It may be , but not in the context you present ie the only criteria.
3. Your initial interpretation of the choices indicates that you clearly wouldnt have the grasp to be heavily involved in any consultation.It does represent a common misunderstanding amongst the cabin crew . But surely not a arbitration expert?Or are you just a militant 1 year wonder operating in the shadows of rumour under guise of helping people.
4. If you dont work for XL as I do then you are well informed but clearly by galley fm, therefore well informed with hearsay.
5. What next ..they are out to get ex AAE or this fleet or that. Do me a favour, so paranoid and quite frankly tiresome. It does go hand in hand with the thank you letters conspiricy.
Im sorry and bewildered to see some people go with dignity and not surprised at others who happen to be spouting the "letter" theory and bleating on about it.mmmm.You do the maths. Now stop presenting hearsay as fact. As you admit you dont work for XL therefore as I said its typical galley FM
Insensitive handling is unnacceptable I agree. There now we can be friends we agree on something.
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I feel so very sorry for the staff at XL and will be passing my concerns on to all the other members of Amicus and the T & G to see if they believe fairness has preveiled, congratulations to you peterowensfan! it seems you have got what you wanted and i do sincerley hope you continue in your role of work and do hope things work out well for you!
I saw people today coming out of an XL meeting crying there eyes out wondering how mortgages will be paid wondering how they will get through xmas that was'nt galley FM that was the harsh reality of this situation!
I'm sure in Gatwick and Manchester some people are rubbing there hands together as they have what they want, but that is not the case across the board and when i hear a young girl come out of a meeting un-consoleable being told that her attendance was good she had never been late or diciplined never been un-contactable but her downfall is that customer feedback was not as high as others, then i'm sorry thats not here say thats reality and unfortunately the law of this country states that you cannot be judged on that! galley fm does not come into it what comes into it is that YOUR collegues are being mi-informed and as a collective group instead of sitting back with the "I'm alright Jack" attitude you should stand together to help and console YOUR work collegues, that is what solidarity is.
Sorry if i seem to offend you that was'nt my intention you have given some excellent points, but i don't think all the XL staff that are quote on quote alright jack are giving any thoughts to the ones who are cruely falling apart.
I saw people today coming out of an XL meeting crying there eyes out wondering how mortgages will be paid wondering how they will get through xmas that was'nt galley FM that was the harsh reality of this situation!
I'm sure in Gatwick and Manchester some people are rubbing there hands together as they have what they want, but that is not the case across the board and when i hear a young girl come out of a meeting un-consoleable being told that her attendance was good she had never been late or diciplined never been un-contactable but her downfall is that customer feedback was not as high as others, then i'm sorry thats not here say thats reality and unfortunately the law of this country states that you cannot be judged on that! galley fm does not come into it what comes into it is that YOUR collegues are being mi-informed and as a collective group instead of sitting back with the "I'm alright Jack" attitude you should stand together to help and console YOUR work collegues, that is what solidarity is.
Sorry if i seem to offend you that was'nt my intention you have given some excellent points, but i don't think all the XL staff that are quote on quote alright jack are giving any thoughts to the ones who are cruely falling apart.
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considering you seem quite to have a indepth knowledge of the procedure peterowensfanclub could you tell me that if i've received neither a meeting request or an email does that mean that i'm soon to be redundant? or if,ever i learn my fate?
thanks
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I have a couple of questions:
1. Has anybody sort any legal advice yet?
2. I know of 1 person who only got a permanent contract this year, been grounded this year and has had plenty of sick days and being kept on no questions asked. I know another person who has been there 5 years, an excellent service record, no disciplinaries and has lost thier job because they have had a few memos. How is this selection being done? It sounds completely ridiculous and illegal, see question 1.
I for one will be visiting the CAB as a start.
1. Has anybody sort any legal advice yet?
2. I know of 1 person who only got a permanent contract this year, been grounded this year and has had plenty of sick days and being kept on no questions asked. I know another person who has been there 5 years, an excellent service record, no disciplinaries and has lost thier job because they have had a few memos. How is this selection being done? It sounds completely ridiculous and illegal, see question 1.
I for one will be visiting the CAB as a start.
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Thats what i urge you all to do the selection process has been done all wrong and i don't even work for you guys! please hound your union reps to get answers challenge decisions and don't agree to anything!
Sounds to me the people on here who are telling you all to stop moaning and stop making comments are the ones who are already sorted out.
Law's are put in place for a reason and looking at XL's conduct they have breached the law in there selection process.
Sounds to me the people on here who are telling you all to stop moaning and stop making comments are the ones who are already sorted out.
Law's are put in place for a reason and looking at XL's conduct they have breached the law in there selection process.
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XL have done this for years and years. They should not be allowed to operate when putting people under these conditions. I would now like to see XL fold and as for a certain Trainer at Manchester lets just say she is getting her comeuppance now!! They scrimp and scrape at everything and its about time the CAA pulled the plug on them. They have no people skills and no don't show any attempt to better themselves other than to keep changing there name coz a new name has no BAD reputation with it??? I do genuinely feel sorry for most of the crew but surely you have not just had your heads in the clouds this was easy to spot a mile off what was going to happen. They are a complete shambles!!
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Granted, XL do need to get some morales, but surely wanting them to fail as a business is not the way forward??
I was part of the training department up until recently so i've kinda got an interest in the outcome.
I really do hope that the contracts go to all the 'right' people, however by the sounds of it thats not happening.
Nesboy
I was part of the training department up until recently so i've kinda got an interest in the outcome.
I really do hope that the contracts go to all the 'right' people, however by the sounds of it thats not happening.
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Hi,
Can I just say that, after flying with XL Airways via TCD for the last few years , I cannot praise the Cabin Crew more highly . Always very smart, attentive and pleasant . I travel with my elderly father and the cc are excellent with him. Its a crying shame , from what I have read on this post , that so many will be without jobs very soon .
Thank you from a very satisfied passenger.
TFAME.
Can I just say that, after flying with XL Airways via TCD for the last few years , I cannot praise the Cabin Crew more highly . Always very smart, attentive and pleasant . I travel with my elderly father and the cc are excellent with him. Its a crying shame , from what I have read on this post , that so many will be without jobs very soon .
Thank you from a very satisfied passenger.
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thanks tfame, nice to know we're appreciated somewhere!
48 hours after some people recievd there 'congratulations,you've been successful in keeping you job,blah,blah' some of us still haven't heard anything.
I'm not bitter or resentfull of anyone who's kept their job, I'm just becoming bitter towards the company for having so little regard for us that they don't even class us worthy of contacting us and instead have told us to wait for the post (hello? there's been a postal strike).
48 hours after some people recievd there 'congratulations,you've been successful in keeping you job,blah,blah' some of us still haven't heard anything.
I'm not bitter or resentfull of anyone who's kept their job, I'm just becoming bitter towards the company for having so little regard for us that they don't even class us worthy of contacting us and instead have told us to wait for the post (hello? there's been a postal strike).
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I have to second tfame's praise as someone who has experienced XL cabin crew through TCD holidays. Fantastic service from fantastic staff and I'm very sorry to hear of the redundancies. I do hope all works out in the end. I will be travelling next year again with TCD/XL and have been reading this forum with interest. A couple of people have said they hope the CAA pulls the plug on XL. Why would they do this, I have no knowledge of the aviation business? and is it a possibility that this could happen? I think it is a very selfish attitude to wish redundancy on EVERYONE which is what would happen if XL were to fold.
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I can't see the CAA closing XL down for having no morales really! Now, if XL are really that much in the 
financially then the CAA may ask questions and see them unfit as a commercial business!
This, i imagine won't happen.
For all you crew who haven't heard either way yet about you jobs then i really do feel for you. After working for a few Airlines, XL's c/c were amongst the best (obviously you get the odd waster).
Good luck guys!
Nesboy
financially then the CAA may ask questions and see them unfit as a commercial business!This, i imagine won't happen.
For all you crew who haven't heard either way yet about you jobs then i really do feel for you. After working for a few Airlines, XL's c/c were amongst the best (obviously you get the odd waster).
Good luck guys!
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For the CAA to pull the plug they would need one hell of a good reason.
Normally if the airline is not complying it is a slap on the wrist and given time to sort it out. The second time or non compliance with the previous slap on the wrist is a visit to the head master for the responsible manager of the airline for a sound thrashing. If that doesn't work then suspension of the AOC.
I have tried to make it sound as simple as possible but, it is in reality alot more complicated.
If we go back a few years it has been alleged that MYT should have had all of their CAA bonds/licenses pulled as they were not in compliance with CAA regs, ie they had no cash which led it is alledged to other carriers making representations to the CAA about their actions.
It's all political really
Normally if the airline is not complying it is a slap on the wrist and given time to sort it out. The second time or non compliance with the previous slap on the wrist is a visit to the head master for the responsible manager of the airline for a sound thrashing. If that doesn't work then suspension of the AOC.
I have tried to make it sound as simple as possible but, it is in reality alot more complicated.
If we go back a few years it has been alleged that MYT should have had all of their CAA bonds/licenses pulled as they were not in compliance with CAA regs, ie they had no cash which led it is alledged to other carriers making representations to the CAA about their actions.
It's all political really
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Tartcart,
I dont have an indepth knowledge. Just the same as everyone else. What I am not doing is putting the galley FM spin on things.Unlike Mr paul who keeps claiming not to work for us but keeps spouting off like hes a legal expert and privvy to the finer points. As I said earlier ,the individuals have to fight find perciebed or real injustice via the right channels. To do that you must be objective.Good luck to those that do. I have already helped a few in the first stages of that process.
As for the handling of the process, notification in particular, i think its appalling as well. Even some that got good news got the wrong email first. That is a different issue to working people up with hearsay and second hand info.
Good Luck
I dont have an indepth knowledge. Just the same as everyone else. What I am not doing is putting the galley FM spin on things.Unlike Mr paul who keeps claiming not to work for us but keeps spouting off like hes a legal expert and privvy to the finer points. As I said earlier ,the individuals have to fight find perciebed or real injustice via the right channels. To do that you must be objective.Good luck to those that do. I have already helped a few in the first stages of that process.
As for the handling of the process, notification in particular, i think its appalling as well. Even some that got good news got the wrong email first. That is a different issue to working people up with hearsay and second hand info.
Good Luck
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Mr Paul does not claim to be an expert Mr Paul deals with employment law and who was approached by several of your employee's and shown the documents given out by your company I claim to know nothing about XL nor do i want to as i have read the recommendations set forward by the company and they are flawed, to the point of boardering on being illegal, I'm not trying to put anybody down nor am i trying to be little anybody who offers the time to comment on here i think open debate is good.
What i won't listen to is people who have been sorted out given positions which are more than likely very well derserved telling people who have'nt and have been dumped on by the company to shut up and not have an opinion.
That was the point I was trying to get across, i have dealt with the legal process within companies for 10 years so trust me i have a fair knowledge
What i won't listen to is people who have been sorted out given positions which are more than likely very well derserved telling people who have'nt and have been dumped on by the company to shut up and not have an opinion.
That was the point I was trying to get across, i have dealt with the legal process within companies for 10 years so trust me i have a fair knowledge
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Tartcart and all the other affected by this current problem within XL please if you are involved in a trade union seek the advice you have paid for with your dues and i do hope you all come out of this OK best of luck to you all from our entire Employment Law Team
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Oh dear !
This is a memo we got few days ago 
Got brand new crew bags few months ago but they are now "selling" the old ones.
How sad! What's next?? Purchase the old uniform
Got brand new crew bags few months ago but they are now "selling" the old ones.How sad! What's next?? Purchase the old uniform
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Crew trolley and Crew Bags for sale
Never been used and in perfect working order
Never been used and in perfect working order
Crew Trolley
£15.00 each
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Crew Trolley Top Case
£15.00 each
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Purchase both together for £20.00
A saving of £10.00!!
A saving of £10.00!!
For further details or to purchase please contact ??@xl.com
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At it again Nick22? with your tactics of blurting out in-house memos on a public forum, if you are still at XL it's probably about time you moved on elsewhere if you are really that unhappy with things.
Sorry to be blunt, but you are doing nobody any favours and least of all yourself with your publicly embittered attitude, a lot of people at XL are suffering with the re-structuring, but at least most are doing it with a bit of dignity, might be an idea to acquire some for yourself.
Sorry to be blunt, but you are doing nobody any favours and least of all yourself with your publicly embittered attitude, a lot of people at XL are suffering with the re-structuring, but at least most are doing it with a bit of dignity, might be an idea to acquire some for yourself.