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Old 20th Jun 2007, 05:24
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777 cabin crew nose bleed?

hi , iwas talking to a friend who flies as a cc on b777 and b747 airplanes, he was complaining about the tripple not being as comfortable to fly as in he feels you come out more fresh from a 747 than the tripple . also he gets nose bleed sometimes when he flies on the tripple. any one feels the same.
i am a pilot and this does not make any sense to me . any thoughts ?

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Old 21st Jun 2007, 08:11
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Interesting - a couple of my colleagues suffer the same nosebleed problem when working 777 flights (we operate 772ER).

Can the pilots control the airpacks on the 777? If so, I wonder if they are turning them off or reducing the flow? I haven't suffered any problems on the 777 except once when I woke up from crew rest feeling terrible and so did the rest of the crew. I'm pretty sure I remember a discussion with the flight crew revealing they did 'something' to the air flow.
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Old 21st Jun 2007, 14:17
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i am not sure , i am yet to start my conversion trg. but its worth investigating.
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Old 21st Jun 2007, 16:36
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I seem to remember some discussions in the mid-nineties when the 777 was introduced into the BA World Wide Fleet. There was a 777 "phenomenon" that seemed to affect some crew but could not be actually traced to anything. I know when the aircraft turns, you sometimes feel a "sweeping" motion which can be unpleasant when standing. Personally, I have never had any problems with the 777 and much prefer it to the 747 (apart from the First Cabin, which is much better on the 747).
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Old 21st Jun 2007, 19:06
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I used to work on the "high density" AML aircraft operating for BA. there was a "phenomenon" associated with airflow, the high amount of pax we had 28J and 355M, and the way the aircraft manouvered in flight. Similar problems were also reported by other 777 operators including Delta, Continental and American. Of course studies were undertaken and the Airlines found no adverse conditions etc. Eventually our aircraft were tinkered with and the "phenomenon" went away. so in answer , yes there is something with the 777 but know ones really knows what/why/how.............. or so they say!!
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Old 22nd Jun 2007, 18:53
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it was all to do with the circulation patterns of 'fresh' air in the cabin.

air was constantly 'renewed' at passenger head-height (i.e. seat level), however not at cabin crew head-height (standing level). this caused the air to 'stagnate' and heat up - or something similar. couple that with the unique environment that is the aircraft cabin: +/- 8,000ft high; dry air and the way the 777 moves during flight, and you got crew fainting every so often on this plane.

BA then tinkered with the airconditioning vents to try to get a better circulation of air in the cabin, to try and prevent this from happening.

they did an article about this in 'cabin crew news' (weekly BA cabin crew news magazine) about 4 years ago.
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Old 22nd Jun 2007, 21:03
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I fly on 777s at BA and have felt awful after crew rest a couple of times - really sick and dizzy. I have also felt the same when the aircraft has turned during the flight at times. There are a couple of the a/c which are particularly dry, and after getting off a 777 once I did have a nosebleed.
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Old 22nd Jun 2007, 22:09
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Personally, I've never experienced any problems on any of our aircraft. The Triple does seem to be rather unpopular, though. Don't know why - I'd gladly never set foot on a Jumbo again in favour of all 777 flying.

I remember KLM also experienced problems when they took their first 777s last year. A number of their crew actually fainted during the flights. The problem was said to be worst by Doors Three for some reason.
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Old 24th Jun 2007, 10:53
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Thumbs down

I know when the aircraft turns, you sometimes feel a "sweeping" motion which can be unpleasant when standing
the way the aircraft manouvered in flight
I have also felt the same when the aircraft has turned during the flight at times
Apparently this business occurs during low-speed flight - ie: after take-off, and possibly just before landing. This phase of flight lasts a very short time.

Turns during this time might add up to a small number before the auto-pilot is engaged.

This issue does not occur in the cruise where the hours and hours are spent.

I'd suggest someone has told someone else who decided she experienced this and then it became like some kind of hypochondriac thing. Everyone thinks it's responsible for nose-bleeds, headaches, fainting, etc, etc.

You'd be much worse off in LIGHT turbulence every single time you go flying. If this wobble thing upsets your constitution, you should seriously reconsider your choice of "career"!

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Old 24th Jun 2007, 23:03
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I know the 777 is designed to fly at a higher 'normal' altitude than the 747 so maybe that has something to do with nosebleeds etc?

Never had any probs myself with stuff like that. Do find it dryer to work on than the jumbo. And hate the little back galley. But apart from that, no complaints!

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Good idea which someone taught me to prevent nose bleeds...

STOP PICKING YOUR NOSE! if you still have problems...

Take a small amount of vaseline or lip balm on your pinky finger, and shove it up your nose, and rub it all around. Please do this in a lavatory, out of view of passengers. \oh and please wash your hands.

Combine with drinking lots of water, at least 3 litres per 12 hour duty. yes 3 litres...

Avoid caffeine, except maybe a coffee after crew rest, and once again just before landing, to stop you falling asleep on your jump seat.
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Old 18th Nov 2011, 08:20
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Vaseline and nose bleeds

Did anyone who used Vaseline to stop nose bleeds end up with leukaemia?
Don't panic, it's just a very loose idea.
PM if you did....
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Old 18th Nov 2011, 18:03
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Sigh! You put the Vaseline up your nose to prevent the mucous membranes from drying out. When they do dry out they become stiff and if you then rub or pick your nose you are likely to cause a nosebleed.

There are no side effects from Vaseline, at least.... not from sticking it up your nose!
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Old 18th Nov 2011, 23:43
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I always awaken in the 772 crew rest feeling pretty awful (dry air, temperature difficult to adjust, headache), but it's never happened on the 773, which on the contrary has the best crew rests of the whole fleet.
The 747 on the other hand is simply the worst aircraft I've flown, for various reasons, one of which is the quality of crew rests (we have two kinds)
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Old 19th Nov 2011, 01:46
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What is the "sensation" that you feel on the 777 when turning etc that is unusual?

The 777 seems MUCH more "stable" than the rear of an A340/A330, especially in turbulence
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Old 19th Nov 2011, 15:07
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I have spent a whole chunk of my life flying on all sorts of aircraft and the only one that makes me feel queasy is the 777.

I have had the strange sick feeling that many complain of and had nose bleeds (which, incidentaly, did not involve my finger) on several occasions.

If I get the feelings and am close enough I ask the drivers what they have just done and often it is a turn.

I know there have been studies on this but dont know if they came to a conclusion.
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unrequited love

The B772 is the 10th a/c type I've operated on, and I gotta admit its left me in worse shape then any of the others, but I guess it beats crew rest perched on an atlas box down the back of a 22y/o B752.

To sum up, I like the triple, but it don't like me.
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Old 5th Dec 2011, 19:26
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2 types of vaseline

white and yellow

white has been bleached partly to preserve it and stop it going stale, but some say the chemicals in it make it unsuitable for nostrils

yellow eventually goes "off", smelling and appearing different, and so has a use by date which pharmacists usually ignore
best to often get a small amount of yellow from a pharmacy, asking for a short expiry date
when stale, it smells and looks different.
Ive used it for my dry eyes for many years

I assume the air isnt humidified due to water being heavy ??
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Old 15th Dec 2011, 19:02
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I remember being crew on the 772 and my skin was ALWAYS drier on that than any other aircraft....also a lot of static on that plane. Always seem to have a few issues on that aircraft.
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