AO(Australian Airlines) wet lease to QF- future?
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yes yes yes lowerlobe, we are all ex flyers and have been around long enough to know what comes out of the mouth of QF management.
However, we don't have much else to go by as we are told nothing in our base until it happens. Hearing this type of feedback keeps us positive about our flying future...and it's true.
With all due respect, the closure of AO was due to a number of reasons, the main being SARS from which AO never recovered. Flying to asian destinations does that to an airline with 5 767's.
There is a forum being held today in CNS, so they better tell us something. As once again the uncertainty is not appreciated.
Stay tuned ..
However, we don't have much else to go by as we are told nothing in our base until it happens. Hearing this type of feedback keeps us positive about our flying future...and it's true.
With all due respect, the closure of AO was due to a number of reasons, the main being SARS from which AO never recovered. Flying to asian destinations does that to an airline with 5 767's.
There is a forum being held today in CNS, so they better tell us something. As once again the uncertainty is not appreciated.
Stay tuned ..
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Hello Sky walker.
Well you have been around long enough to see through the cr@p.
Its a shame that QF management are playing these games again.
attend the meeting and listen, but don't fall into their propaganda.
Stick up for yourselves! so what is customer satisfaction is high!
Does that guarantee your job ?
Does that guarantee your future?
Does that guarantee your income?
They are cruel and dangling the carrot!
Well you have been around long enough to see through the cr@p.
Its a shame that QF management are playing these games again.
attend the meeting and listen, but don't fall into their propaganda.
Stick up for yourselves! so what is customer satisfaction is high!
Does that guarantee your job ?
Does that guarantee your future?
Does that guarantee your income?
They are cruel and dangling the carrot!
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Sorry cartexchange. Not delusional. Have been around long enough, through two airline closures, to know that the bottom dollar does count for a lot when ones future is at stake.
Never meant to imply so simplistically that I thought our future was guaranteed because of customer satisfaction. Like Skywalker its nice to get good feedback and its great to work in an environment where everyone loves going to work and we have fun.
Anyway here is hoping that something either positive or negative or at the least the truth of our future gets discussed today
Never meant to imply so simplistically that I thought our future was guaranteed because of customer satisfaction. Like Skywalker its nice to get good feedback and its great to work in an environment where everyone loves going to work and we have fun.
Anyway here is hoping that something either positive or negative or at the least the truth of our future gets discussed today
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I thought this forum was about the future of AO. Not fighting each other about the crap you've been going on with.
I work for AO and we constantly hear how better we are than mainline. I am not saying that we are any worse but how often do our crew fly on LH services. Not often enought to gague first hand just how good or bad they are. And I can tell you a lot of short cuts are taken at AO also! Continuous refreshment every 20 minutes in Y class... Dream on! I don't know the last time it was done every 40 minutes let alone 20. Wake up you fools! And there are far more professional J class operators than anyone we have. I have come across people at mainline who have been able to memorise every pax name on the upper deck! They have been doing it far longer than us and are very good at their job. So before you believe all this crap that is fed to us as our ship is sinking wake up!
Oh, and one nasty flight attendant does not reflect on the whole company either!
Let's get back on track and stop slinging each other. I look forward to what comes out of this forum today....
I work for AO and we constantly hear how better we are than mainline. I am not saying that we are any worse but how often do our crew fly on LH services. Not often enought to gague first hand just how good or bad they are. And I can tell you a lot of short cuts are taken at AO also! Continuous refreshment every 20 minutes in Y class... Dream on! I don't know the last time it was done every 40 minutes let alone 20. Wake up you fools! And there are far more professional J class operators than anyone we have. I have come across people at mainline who have been able to memorise every pax name on the upper deck! They have been doing it far longer than us and are very good at their job. So before you believe all this crap that is fed to us as our ship is sinking wake up!
Oh, and one nasty flight attendant does not reflect on the whole company either!
Let's get back on track and stop slinging each other. I look forward to what comes out of this forum today....
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To all AO Crew. Hope everything works out for you all.
Great airline and a number made the big move to CNS. Lets hope you get to stay and give that great service you are knowen for.
Great airline and a number made the big move to CNS. Lets hope you get to stay and give that great service you are knowen for.
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Thanks Mate!!!
Yeh i attended the forum & was a waste of time. Nothing announced!!
As for Jet*Int doing Osaka & Nagoya from Cairns no info given as to what will be given if anything to replace these. So looks like we will have to wait until the Cairns Post tells us. Narendra (no JB) informed us that we will know 3 months prior to these destinations going to conform with QF rosters & lines of flying allocated.
As for any movement wait & see but dont hold your breath. Think we will be lucky to be offered MAM if anything. I hope I'm wrong.
Enjoy what we have today cause whose knows what happen later this year.
Fly safe!!
Yeh i attended the forum & was a waste of time. Nothing announced!!
As for Jet*Int doing Osaka & Nagoya from Cairns no info given as to what will be given if anything to replace these. So looks like we will have to wait until the Cairns Post tells us. Narendra (no JB) informed us that we will know 3 months prior to these destinations going to conform with QF rosters & lines of flying allocated.
As for any movement wait & see but dont hold your breath. Think we will be lucky to be offered MAM if anything. I hope I'm wrong.
Enjoy what we have today cause whose knows what happen later this year.
Fly safe!!
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The forum certainly wasn't anything to write home about, personally I got the impression that the base is no longer viable from comments made during the meeting. Time will soon tell people, take the happy snaps while you can! 
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Maybe not?
I attended the forum too, from what our GM said, my impression was that AO management is working on something with QF route networking; due to business sensitivity, words can not be leaked out yet, and we'll have to wait for another 3 months or so to find out. Therefore, I'm keeping my hopes positive and wish for the best. Happy flying everyone!
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I hear today that from April AO will be losing an aircraft. KIX and NGO services to be reduced and excess crew to be transferred to MEL long haul. How credible is this and has anyone else heard anything of this nature?
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In relation to AO losing AC come april that will not happen. However we never say never in these times! J*Int will be doing KIX from Sydney (I think) & NGO is not commencing until the 2nd of Aug. But as with all information provided anything could happen. There has been the Melbourne rumour floating around for months if it comes into frution is another story. We'll have to wait & see.
the issue is not really dependant upon jetstar's schedule, what we are discussing here is, are our daily services to KIX and NGO being reduced come April, and if so, what will happen to the excess crew.
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For those that may be interested there is a pretty good discussion going on in D and G Reporting In the Dunnunda and Godzone Forum about possibilities for our future.
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Hang in there guys. Keep smiling and enjoy
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Hang in there guys. Keep smiling and enjoy
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Quote, JAN/FEB 2007
QANTAS'S JAPANESE SHUFFLE
Qantas will switch services from Cairns to Nagoya and Osaka from mid 2007 from Qantas mainline to Jetstar International because of Jetstar's much lower cost base, making it more suited for the largely suited leisure orientated services.
Jetstar A330-200's will operate six times a week between Cairns and Nagoya from August 2nd, and four times a week from Cairns to Osaka from September 08th as well as the recently announced Osaka-Brisbane-Sydney services which commence March 25.
Under the revised timetable the Qantas group will offer 55 services a week to Japan, ontop of the seasonal Sapporo flights.
Qantas current 767-300 Nagoya and Osaka services are operated by Cairns base Australian Airlines staff under the Qantas brand. The Australian Airlines Cairns based crew will be deployed elsewhere on the Qantas newwork.
SYD-LH / BNE-LH and MEL-LH watch out, here they come!!!!!
QANTAS'S JAPANESE SHUFFLE
Qantas will switch services from Cairns to Nagoya and Osaka from mid 2007 from Qantas mainline to Jetstar International because of Jetstar's much lower cost base, making it more suited for the largely suited leisure orientated services.
Jetstar A330-200's will operate six times a week between Cairns and Nagoya from August 2nd, and four times a week from Cairns to Osaka from September 08th as well as the recently announced Osaka-Brisbane-Sydney services which commence March 25.
Under the revised timetable the Qantas group will offer 55 services a week to Japan, ontop of the seasonal Sapporo flights.
Qantas current 767-300 Nagoya and Osaka services are operated by Cairns base Australian Airlines staff under the Qantas brand. The Australian Airlines Cairns based crew will be deployed elsewhere on the Qantas newwork.
SYD-LH / BNE-LH and MEL-LH watch out, here they come!!!!!
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Ok settle down you lot !
The reduction in AO operated services is nothing to worry about. The change in schedule you see on the website is just the 'triangulations ' we used to operate when we were AO. For instance CNS-NGO-KIX (overnight ) KIX-CNS is back.
This happened last year, and the year before that. JQ will as announced will takeover these services from Aug and Sep respectively.
The reduction in AO operated services is nothing to worry about. The change in schedule you see on the website is just the 'triangulations ' we used to operate when we were AO. For instance CNS-NGO-KIX (overnight ) KIX-CNS is back.
This happened last year, and the year before that. JQ will as announced will takeover these services from Aug and Sep respectively.
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Can somebody from the LH FAAA or AO management please explain how one of our male AO flight attendants just took a secondment in 'Cabin Crew Scheduling' in SYD ????
How and where was the job advertised ?
Can the rest of us now apply for internal positions ?
Since when have subsidiaries of QF been able to apply for internal positions ? ( NEVER )
If this crew member is able to take this position, then return to his position at AO after the secondment, then I can not see why the rest of the crew are not allowed to apply for other jobs..i.e - LHR base.
How and where was the job advertised ?
Can the rest of us now apply for internal positions ?
Since when have subsidiaries of QF been able to apply for internal positions ? ( NEVER )
If this crew member is able to take this position, then return to his position at AO after the secondment, then I can not see why the rest of the crew are not allowed to apply for other jobs..i.e - LHR base.
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1. These jobs are advertised via EQ.
2. Yes, most jobs will say you must be an employee of the Qantas group of companies. If the position is restricted to Qantas employees or other divisions it tells you to speak with your manager or I think peopleconnect.
3. Always - A quick look through EQ today will show you that.
Maybe you do not have access to EQ? If not speak with your manager about internal positions. I just had a quick flick through and quite a few jobs are available to all qantas group employees including secondments.
In the past all internal positions were advertised via a blue notice I think from memory.
The F/A has done nothing wrong, you and every other employee of the Qantas group of companies are able to apply for internal positions. This happens everyday.
Good luck with LHR I hope they do give AO crew the opportunity.
2. Yes, most jobs will say you must be an employee of the Qantas group of companies. If the position is restricted to Qantas employees or other divisions it tells you to speak with your manager or I think peopleconnect.
3. Always - A quick look through EQ today will show you that.
Maybe you do not have access to EQ? If not speak with your manager about internal positions. I just had a quick flick through and quite a few jobs are available to all qantas group employees including secondments.
In the past all internal positions were advertised via a blue notice I think from memory.
The F/A has done nothing wrong, you and every other employee of the Qantas group of companies are able to apply for internal positions. This happens everyday.
Good luck with LHR I hope they do give AO crew the opportunity.
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