AO(Australian Airlines) wet lease to QF- future?
Just so we are all on the same page, here is the official media release from the Qantas web site.
Qantas Group Boosts Domestic Fleet Latest News
Sydney, 29 March 2007
Qantas Airways said today it would acquire nine additional Airbus A320 aircraft for use by Jetstar.
The Chief Executive Officer of Qantas, Mr Geoff Dixon, said the new aircraft would be deployed on domestic and short-haul international routes.
"The aircraft will be delivered over a 15-month timeframe from late 2007," he said.
Mr Dixon said Qantas would also boost capacity in the Qantas domestic operations.
"Four Boeing 767-300 aircraft from our international fleet that were due to be sold from mid-2007 will now be transferred to domestic operations.
"The additional capacity for both Jetstar and Qantas, along with previously announced plans for QantasLink, should enable the Qantas Group to maintain its 65 per cent share of the Australian domestic market."
Mr Dixon said the additional A320 aircraft would enable Jetstar to grow on some of its most popular leisure routes including Cairns, Gold Coast, Perth and the Northern Territory.
"Jetstar will also use the new aircraft to look at new destinations within Australia."
Qantas Group Boosts Domestic Fleet Latest News
Sydney, 29 March 2007
Qantas Airways said today it would acquire nine additional Airbus A320 aircraft for use by Jetstar.
The Chief Executive Officer of Qantas, Mr Geoff Dixon, said the new aircraft would be deployed on domestic and short-haul international routes.
"The aircraft will be delivered over a 15-month timeframe from late 2007," he said.
Mr Dixon said Qantas would also boost capacity in the Qantas domestic operations.
"Four Boeing 767-300 aircraft from our international fleet that were due to be sold from mid-2007 will now be transferred to domestic operations.
"The additional capacity for both Jetstar and Qantas, along with previously announced plans for QantasLink, should enable the Qantas Group to maintain its 65 per cent share of the Australian domestic market."
Mr Dixon said the additional A320 aircraft would enable Jetstar to grow on some of its most popular leisure routes including Cairns, Gold Coast, Perth and the Northern Territory.
"Jetstar will also use the new aircraft to look at new destinations within Australia."
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Ad For Jetstar Jobs In Ao Crew Lounge????
A friend called me today to say there is an ad up in the AO cc sign on room for interest with jobs with Jetstar CNS base????? They said it was from the cc manager? Any further details from anyone who paid closer attention to what it said? It seemed a bit strange to be posting a notice advertising job opportunities in the crew lounge when you haven't even been told what is happening with AO. Very happy to be corrected if this is wrong - otherwise yet another very good example of how little respect our QANTAS/AO management seem to have for our staff morale.
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You are right! There are two notices in the crew lounge. One is the advertised position and the other is a letter inviting AO employees only to an info session today at 1pm (from memory) at the domestic airport in Cairns. The letter states they are looking for people with Japanese language skills, cabin crew and potential managers.
Am interested to see how many apply...
Am interested to see how many apply...
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Although I have been trying to avoid the constant talk in the galley as to what is going to happen to us (were we not in the same position exactly 12 months ago ??? AO-QF ) I am still hearing that CNS-NRT-PER-NRT-CNS is an pattern on the cards - URRRGHHHH !
As for jobs with JQ. I am digging my heals into the QF full service operation. They will have to remove me with force.
As for jobs with JQ. I am digging my heals into the QF full service operation. They will have to remove me with force.
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I don't know of any crew who have applied.
I recieved not one but two emails from Jetstar themselves asking me if I was intrerested in a CNS base position.
They must be desperate considering I never even applied.
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I recieved not one but two emails from Jetstar themselves asking me if I was intrerested in a CNS base position.
They must be desperate considering I never even applied.
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Hey guys! I wouldn't hold my breath on the PER - NRT pattern as Perth base have them back in the bid packs starting next month and these will be once again be operated on A330 aircraft.
As for moving to Perth base, I would love to see you here, but we have just been told that Perth is "at optimal capicity" for cabin crew. Thats not to say that things won't change!
Good luck with everything and stay strong! Don't let them wear you down! You all do a great job!
As for moving to Perth base, I would love to see you here, but we have just been told that Perth is "at optimal capicity" for cabin crew. Thats not to say that things won't change!
Good luck with everything and stay strong! Don't let them wear you down! You all do a great job!
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Turning our base into a shorthaul base would prove 'fruitless' for the cabin crew unless we got DTA. ( Now there is an idea for our next EBA )
There is no money in s/h flying for us, we are only paid meal allowances, and i can guarantee you would always be in the air when the clock ticked over to lunchtime-therefore meaning AO provide a meal and eliminating the need to pay an allowance. Remember the DPS-PER-DPS and DPS-SIN-DPS shuttles we did as AO ? Full days work and no allowances to show for it, as they provided a meal onboard.
Bring back CNS-SIN !! I still can't believe the only way to SIN is via DRW.
There is no money in s/h flying for us, we are only paid meal allowances, and i can guarantee you would always be in the air when the clock ticked over to lunchtime-therefore meaning AO provide a meal and eliminating the need to pay an allowance. Remember the DPS-PER-DPS and DPS-SIN-DPS shuttles we did as AO ? Full days work and no allowances to show for it, as they provided a meal onboard.
Bring back CNS-SIN !! I still can't believe the only way to SIN is via DRW.
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A little off the thread (not too far though)...
Has anyone heard of what is planned for the people still 'on hold' for AO?
I've been on hold for a couple of years now and have not heard a peep for a while, either negative or positive. Wondering why they just haven't called me and said 'bad luck buddy'!!!
Is there even a contact person to email/call?
I'm imagining that it's a fruitless position to be in given that AO is losing half of it's roster to JQ Intnl...... just interested?
Has anyone heard of what is planned for the people still 'on hold' for AO?
I've been on hold for a couple of years now and have not heard a peep for a while, either negative or positive. Wondering why they just haven't called me and said 'bad luck buddy'!!!
Is there even a contact person to email/call?
I'm imagining that it's a fruitless position to be in given that AO is losing half of it's roster to JQ Intnl...... just interested?
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Anything is possible parakeet! Though all our flying is being taken away from us bit by bit, things will get very interesting come December. L/H and our Eba s are up, and i'm predicting a fight between L/H and Qantas. That's where we come into it. There are flexabilities we offer that mainline don't. I believe that QF will want to bridge the gap.
What do you think Lowerlobe? (be nice now)!
What do you think Lowerlobe? (be nice now)!
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To bridge that gap further, short haul would be an obvious place to put you guys. Siimilar destinations (along with quite a few more), higher hours and reduced pay. Make sure the FAAA explore every avenue if this becomes an option because once you have the domestic FAAA representing you..... well, you just don't want that 
Good Luck guys.... I'm optimistic something good or at least no worse will come of it, surely?
Good Luck guys.... I'm optimistic something good or at least no worse will come of it, surely?
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left-right-out -
What PER-NRT patterns are you talking about? Have you seen the bid books for May or something?
The April bid books contained quite a few NRTs through SYD and MEL (or both), all patterns of three on the 330. There was one pattern with a NRT-PER pax sector. All PER-NRT-PER flights are currently ops by 763 using LH crew (imagine that - LH crew on a LH route!?). The have not been in the PER SH bid book for around 18 months now.
What PER-NRT patterns are you talking about? Have you seen the bid books for May or something?
The April bid books contained quite a few NRTs through SYD and MEL (or both), all patterns of three on the 330. There was one pattern with a NRT-PER pax sector. All PER-NRT-PER flights are currently ops by 763 using LH crew (imagine that - LH crew on a LH route!?). The have not been in the PER SH bid book for around 18 months now.
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mid assist......Who knows what is going to happen.
You are right about one thing and that is both of our EBA's are up at the end of the year.
However there are many variables to be considered.
1:Will the takeover go ahead?
If so will the new owners take the easy way out to recoup the massive amount of money they are borrowing?
Will they sell Jetstar and AO and other parts of the group to get immediate cash?
2:Will Darth stick around?
3:What happens with the Federal election?
The water is going to be muddy for some time yet and if you had a crystal ball and knew what is going to happen you could make a lot of money!
What we do know is that the domestic FAAA will sell just about anything to keep or gain flying.Just look at the VB EBA they tried to sell cabin crew and it was voted down by nearly 90%.
We also know that QF S/H is cheaper than both L/H and AO and will continue to be so with the increasing numbers of casuals.As far as the flexibilities that AO have is concerned I wouldn't think too much about them because as I said S/H are even more flexible.
Unless you are prepared to do what S/H are or have then you are in the same boat as us with the exception that QF mainline have a historical advantage and public sympathy simply because QF has been around longer.
Make no mistake though as Darth has said on a number of occassions that he would like to close us down and have overseas bases.The problem with that is that the rumours about the LHR base losing money refuse to go away.
As far as L/H industrial action is concerned ,it would depend on who is in Government and what the EBA is like that the company wants us to accept.
You may only have to wait around 14 days to see what happens with the takeover then some of the fog around AO ,Jetstar and QF will clear a bit and we might have a better idea of which way the dice have rolled.
You are right about one thing and that is both of our EBA's are up at the end of the year.
However there are many variables to be considered.
1:Will the takeover go ahead?
If so will the new owners take the easy way out to recoup the massive amount of money they are borrowing?
Will they sell Jetstar and AO and other parts of the group to get immediate cash?
2:Will Darth stick around?
3:What happens with the Federal election?
The water is going to be muddy for some time yet and if you had a crystal ball and knew what is going to happen you could make a lot of money!
What we do know is that the domestic FAAA will sell just about anything to keep or gain flying.Just look at the VB EBA they tried to sell cabin crew and it was voted down by nearly 90%.
We also know that QF S/H is cheaper than both L/H and AO and will continue to be so with the increasing numbers of casuals.As far as the flexibilities that AO have is concerned I wouldn't think too much about them because as I said S/H are even more flexible.
Unless you are prepared to do what S/H are or have then you are in the same boat as us with the exception that QF mainline have a historical advantage and public sympathy simply because QF has been around longer.
Make no mistake though as Darth has said on a number of occassions that he would like to close us down and have overseas bases.The problem with that is that the rumours about the LHR base losing money refuse to go away.
As far as L/H industrial action is concerned ,it would depend on who is in Government and what the EBA is like that the company wants us to accept.
You may only have to wait around 14 days to see what happens with the takeover then some of the fog around AO ,Jetstar and QF will clear a bit and we might have a better idea of which way the dice have rolled.
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Thanks for the reply Lowerlobe. S/h mainline seem to be the golden child at the moment. However come next year I believe the tide will turn. All crew know that we are in for change. The APA bid will go through. If they want it so badly they will get it! Once it does as you mention, we should soon see what plans they have for Qantas. One thing I know is they will need front line staff, though at what cost!
As for AO let's wait and see! I'm sure we will lose some crew to JQI. The ones who want to remain in CNS. The others' should buckle up as the next 6 months is going to be a rollercoaster ride with plenty of twists and turns.
Hang on!
As for AO let's wait and see! I'm sure we will lose some crew to JQI. The ones who want to remain in CNS. The others' should buckle up as the next 6 months is going to be a rollercoaster ride with plenty of twists and turns.
Hang on!
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Management received "the call" from the big boys in Qantas at the end of this week just gone. Post-August-new-destinations have been canned.
So where does that leave the crew?
Management received "the call" from the big boys in Qantas at the end of this week just gone. Post-August-new-destinations have been canned.
So where does that leave the crew?
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AO will most probably loose about 20-30 crew to JQI cns base. Still confident that the operation will continue to run. Fleet will downsize to 4 a/c use from 5. That means less cabin crew needed. Numbers should be ok, so no job losses.
There is too many flexabilities in our EBA. We will be used as bargain power come December. I believe there will be no negotiation period. It would be take it or leave.
Time will tell. let's hope it's sooner rather than later.
There is too many flexabilities in our EBA. We will be used as bargain power come December. I believe there will be no negotiation period. It would be take it or leave.
Time will tell. let's hope it's sooner rather than later.
If AO are not picking up any new flying from August/September, that is 2 whole aircraft not required. Considering we only utilise around 4.6 aircraft now...... well.... we have about 300 cabin crew so you do the maths.