AO(Australian Airlines) wet lease to QF- future?
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Australian Airlines does have a different EBA and work conditions than those of other groups in the Qantas network and yes it is possible that they can all work together, but the difference at AO is that we have a different AOC.
Under our present format we are unable to cross crew and can only fly with our pilots and our slightly different procedures.
If we were to move to another port and personally for me I would love it, we would have to stay together as a group at present.
Thats not to say that things cant or wont change.
When is the big announcement of our 2 new destinations, which everyone seems to know about going to be officially announced? We keep hearing at the end of the week- but that has been going around for 4 weeks now.
Under our present format we are unable to cross crew and can only fly with our pilots and our slightly different procedures.
If we were to move to another port and personally for me I would love it, we would have to stay together as a group at present.
Thats not to say that things cant or wont change.
When is the big announcement of our 2 new destinations, which everyone seems to know about going to be officially announced? We keep hearing at the end of the week- but that has been going around for 4 weeks now.
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Ok, I'm not going to get into a debate on who shouldn't be a CM (csm) and who should be at AO. The point I would like to make is, why would QF want to get rid of, or downgrade 45 CMs' earning much less than mainline CSMs' doing the same job. AO will continue to operate it's own AOC whilst the labour savings and a flexible EBA is still in place.
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This is all just pure speculation. The only reason CSM's would be demoted is if we merged into Qantas, which is about as likely as an immaculate conception! I totally agree with mid assist. And when it comes to the qualty of our CSM's, sure there are a couple that shouldn't be there but the vast majority of them are fine.
Come on guys is there any credible news on the future of AO...?
Come on guys is there any credible news on the future of AO...?
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Tropicalchief,
As i shorthaul CSM i take great offense to what you are saying....
"I would be more uncharitable and suggest that 90% of CSM's should not be there particularly in short-haul. They are the worst."
90% is nearly every CSM in SH. Thats a big call.
I would presume then, you have flown with nearly every CSM in the SH division - SYD, BNE, MEL and PER bases. Only 10% rate in your books. So literally hundreds of CSM are "the worst".
Gee i would like to meet you and have you on my crew one day. You would think i'm "the worst" person in the world by the time i'd finished with you.
As i shorthaul CSM i take great offense to what you are saying....
"I would be more uncharitable and suggest that 90% of CSM's should not be there particularly in short-haul. They are the worst."
90% is nearly every CSM in SH. Thats a big call.
I would presume then, you have flown with nearly every CSM in the SH division - SYD, BNE, MEL and PER bases. Only 10% rate in your books. So literally hundreds of CSM are "the worst".
Gee i would like to meet you and have you on my crew one day. You would think i'm "the worst" person in the world by the time i'd finished with you.
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JQI Recruitment in CNS?
Hi all, just got an email from our Cabin Crew Manager advising us that JQI will be advertising for their CNS based crew, and we are welcome to apply like any other QF groups. What is that suposed to mean? We should look for jobs while we can? Still not a word about our future!!! Personally, I couldn't careless about the FA position with JQI, not interested, don't want to work for them, don't want to be in CNS any more, just want to contiue flying for QF. AO managers, pull your fingers out, please!
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Everyone have a BACK UP PLAN! Our "managers" are going to do nothing for us! They take the chocolates and fruit off our crew snacks to meet their KPI's!
On that note everyone should voice their concerns over this matter either to the union or the JCC. This has happened across the board at Qantas. We are not Qantas though! Now whilst we are QF in uniform and product we do not get the same crew meal as them, we get a nutritious economy tray. The old AO crew meals were far more superior to this! Why should we receive less nutrition than our QF counterparts? Are our needs less than theirs because our pay is less? The answer is because we never say anything! We just take it....
I notice that there are still two chocolate bars and two pieces of fruit for the tech crew!
On that note everyone should voice their concerns over this matter either to the union or the JCC. This has happened across the board at Qantas. We are not Qantas though! Now whilst we are QF in uniform and product we do not get the same crew meal as them, we get a nutritious economy tray. The old AO crew meals were far more superior to this! Why should we receive less nutrition than our QF counterparts? Are our needs less than theirs because our pay is less? The answer is because we never say anything! We just take it....
I notice that there are still two chocolate bars and two pieces of fruit for the tech crew!
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Best of luck to all (AO) crew, hope it all works out for the best for all the Cabin Crew team in Cairns. I started my flying career with (AO) when it was launched in 2002 and have to say that the Cabin Crew were the best I have ever worked with in the industry. Hope QF recognise the support and dedication you guys have put in since (AO) started and look after you all.Happy Flying
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Big picture
Yonly,
You had a valid point there, but at the moment, is it that important to ask for our chocolate and fruit back? Personally, I'd rather be knowing the big picture of our future. If loosing chocolate and fruit guarantees our future with QF, I'm quite happy to comply. There are more urgent agenda to be discussed other than food, just my 2 cents worth of opinions.
You had a valid point there, but at the moment, is it that important to ask for our chocolate and fruit back? Personally, I'd rather be knowing the big picture of our future. If loosing chocolate and fruit guarantees our future with QF, I'm quite happy to comply. There are more urgent agenda to be discussed other than food, just my 2 cents worth of opinions.
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I realise that fruit and chocolate are very small scale things but if we cave in to everything then we may as well apply to JQI as our conditions will be the same! Where does it stop? Does voicing our concerns to the company have a detrimental effect?
This company is never going to provide us with a secure future scenario because it keeps everyone scared and willing to say yes to anything. The less we know the more scared we are about our future and the better position the company is in. So don't expect any announcements any time soon.
We got done once before, let's give make it harder to happen again!
This company is never going to provide us with a secure future scenario because it keeps everyone scared and willing to say yes to anything. The less we know the more scared we are about our future and the better position the company is in. So don't expect any announcements any time soon.
We got done once before, let's give make it harder to happen again!
Skippy,
I agree, it does seem like they are trying to thin out the ranks! I have also recently heard that VR is on its way again for AO crew - plus this latest memo, it's does seem like they are encouraging us to apply. They never distributed such memos when Sunstate or Jetstar domestic were recruiting in Cairns. Does anyone else smell a rat? oh yeah, it's on the tail.
I agree, it does seem like they are trying to thin out the ranks! I have also recently heard that VR is on its way again for AO crew - plus this latest memo, it's does seem like they are encouraging us to apply. They never distributed such memos when Sunstate or Jetstar domestic were recruiting in Cairns. Does anyone else smell a rat? oh yeah, it's on the tail.
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I think it's obvious what that email means. They need to down size our base. Maybe things aren't looking so promising with this latest news. I would have thought they would keep the number of crew we have with the 2 new apparent destinsations coming. Maybe that's not happening now???
Like last time folks, sit back relax and read about it when the papers hit the racks.
Raverflaver
Like last time folks, sit back relax and read about it when the papers hit the racks.
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Interesting development in Saturday's paper.....Read the last line!!!!!!!
"The warning was issued as Transport Minister Mark Vaile announced that Middle Eastern carrier Qatar Airways would be allowed to operate daily flights to Melbourne and start daily services to another major airport from 2008.
In return, Australian airlines would be able to use Qatar as a hub for flights to Europe"
Perhaps some of you will be able to move to the sand box.Is this the rumour some of you have talked about?
At the very least you seem to have new destinations or is it AUSTRALIAN airlines meaning an airline that is Australian.
"The warning was issued as Transport Minister Mark Vaile announced that Middle Eastern carrier Qatar Airways would be allowed to operate daily flights to Melbourne and start daily services to another major airport from 2008.
In return, Australian airlines would be able to use Qatar as a hub for flights to Europe"
Perhaps some of you will be able to move to the sand box.Is this the rumour some of you have talked about?
At the very least you seem to have new destinations or is it AUSTRALIAN airlines meaning an airline that is Australian.
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Don't get too carried away! With Qatar flying into (Mel) Australia the article in the Australian newpaper is implying that Australian carriers will be able to fly to Qatar as a reciprical agreement.
Looks very interesting that we have been offered to apply to Jet*int again as with the previous VR's. Looks like there is movement in the air. Can't imagine anyone wanting to apply unless they are the japanese crew wanting to keep flying to Japan to visit their family or those who call Cairns home now.
If we are part of the Qantas group & offered Jet*Int then why have we not been asked to apply for the London base?? Interesting....
Anyway sure something will come out of this soon enough so we call plan our lives.
Fly safe!!
Looks very interesting that we have been offered to apply to Jet*int again as with the previous VR's. Looks like there is movement in the air. Can't imagine anyone wanting to apply unless they are the japanese crew wanting to keep flying to Japan to visit their family or those who call Cairns home now.
If we are part of the Qantas group & offered Jet*Int then why have we not been asked to apply for the London base?? Interesting....
Anyway sure something will come out of this soon enough so we call plan our lives.
Fly safe!!
lobe,
I am sure the article is referring to Australian airlines, meaning VH reg. carriers in general. Or were you just being funny and I missed the gag - because that was pretty funny.
I am sure the article is referring to Australian airlines, meaning VH reg. carriers in general. Or were you just being funny and I missed the gag - because that was pretty funny.
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the deal between the australian and qatar government means qatar airlines can fly daily to mel(via bkk,good for stafftravel) and from next year syd (why would they go anywhere else). in return Qf can go through qatar to europa ? not qf mainline but maybe J*.
ok, let's get back on track here. I think we all know AO will crew will never be flying to the middle east. This thread is to discuss our cabin crew's concerns regarding the future of our operations in Cairns.
Back to business.
Back to business.