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Sorry to ask a pretty personal question about pay, etc. Hope someone can advise me.
I'm a number one with 8 years long haul experience and I'm on a decent salary after so long.
I still LOVE everything about flying and the lifestyle I have, but am now looking to other airlines as I am now really concerned about the future of the airline I am with and dissatisfied with quite a few issues.
I'm now thinking very seriously about 'jumping ship' to a different carrier. Virgin appeals to me and I have a lot to offer the airline if they will hire me.
I know I will inevitably take a pay cut (which I am prepared to do) but is virgin's flight pay REALLY as bad as some people say??
I have heard many many different explanations from the crew I have met and spoken to downroute - some say yes, the pay is awful and they struggle all the time to run a home/car and live well bringing home no more than £1,200 a month, Others say it's not all that bad !! Certainly all the VS crew I know seem to do ok - even with commuting (£200ish a month!)
I average about £400 - £450 a month flight allowances at the mo which is fine - thats working one trip a week (perhaps a couple of US nightstops and maybe a longer caribbean trip). Obviously it can go up or down if I get longer or shorter trips (same with Virgin I imagine?)
Is the pay based on cost of living in the hotel downroute?? I use my flight allowances to pay bills at home sometimes so is it really worth changing it back into ££'s, because I may have to...!!
If anyone can help me with this before I put the effort into an application form (on it's way) and waste my time and Virgin's resources I'd be really really grateful.
Thanks in anticipation.
I'm a number one with 8 years long haul experience and I'm on a decent salary after so long.
I still LOVE everything about flying and the lifestyle I have, but am now looking to other airlines as I am now really concerned about the future of the airline I am with and dissatisfied with quite a few issues.
I'm now thinking very seriously about 'jumping ship' to a different carrier. Virgin appeals to me and I have a lot to offer the airline if they will hire me.
I know I will inevitably take a pay cut (which I am prepared to do) but is virgin's flight pay REALLY as bad as some people say??
I have heard many many different explanations from the crew I have met and spoken to downroute - some say yes, the pay is awful and they struggle all the time to run a home/car and live well bringing home no more than £1,200 a month, Others say it's not all that bad !! Certainly all the VS crew I know seem to do ok - even with commuting (£200ish a month!)
I average about £400 - £450 a month flight allowances at the mo which is fine - thats working one trip a week (perhaps a couple of US nightstops and maybe a longer caribbean trip). Obviously it can go up or down if I get longer or shorter trips (same with Virgin I imagine?)
Is the pay based on cost of living in the hotel downroute?? I use my flight allowances to pay bills at home sometimes so is it really worth changing it back into ££'s, because I may have to...!!
If anyone can help me with this before I put the effort into an application form (on it's way) and waste my time and Virgin's resources I'd be really really grateful.
Thanks in anticipation.
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Hi I was also a supervisor within a different airline and decided to jump ship. Two years on and Im really happy and I definatley made the right desicion. You have to way up the pro's and cons. Ok the money could be better but the lifestyle and conditions and perks and opportunities are fantastic and thats what attracted me to Virgin and originally why I wanted to be cabin crew. I was promoted to a senior just after a year( which is a doddle!) Im sure with your experience you will be noticed and 'fly' up the ranks. Ive just cleared £1050 ( lowest for a few months) and have 5x 1 nighter trips ( mco= $144 jfk $266( vs3) iad $188 bom£80 bgi £120 .)
The hardest thing was getting through training without trip pay and allowances I remember clearing about £600( my motgage is £577!!) So be warned its not easy at first but I think for the amount of work I do as a senior (very little) I get quite well paid and have a great quality of life !
Good luck x
The hardest thing was getting through training without trip pay and allowances I remember clearing about £600( my motgage is £577!!) So be warned its not easy at first but I think for the amount of work I do as a senior (very little) I get quite well paid and have a great quality of life !
Good luck x
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Virgin Atlantic Salary/Allowances.
Thank you for that open reply Glamourgirl, Virgin appeals to me as well so much and I am currently waiting for an application form from them,
However, I also worry about how I am going to pay my mortgage in the event that I am successful, so your open reply really does help a lot!
Unfortunately, I dont have any knowledge of the industry and how the salaries work etc. just wondering if you would mind clarifying something for me, and I hope you don't mind me asking, as I want to be clear about my projected earnings; when you say:
Ive just cleared £1050 ( lowest for a few months) and have 5x 1 nighter trips ( mco= $144 jfk $266( vs3) iad $188 bom£80 bgi £120 .)
Does that mean that you received £1050 and in addition $144 + $266 etc? or do you mean that your total earning were £1050 including $144 + $266 etc?
Also, I assume 1 nighter it means that you are away for one night, during that night what are you expected to pay for? e.g. hotels? food? etc...
Also, in terms of recruitment, do you know whether me being 31 would go against me with VA? Although, I do take care of myself, dont smoke and dont drink much and try to keep fit etc, so I don't look my age but just wondered what their preferences are when it comes to this subject,
All your comments and wisdom will very much be welcome, thank you in advance
However, I also worry about how I am going to pay my mortgage in the event that I am successful, so your open reply really does help a lot!
Unfortunately, I dont have any knowledge of the industry and how the salaries work etc. just wondering if you would mind clarifying something for me, and I hope you don't mind me asking, as I want to be clear about my projected earnings; when you say:
Ive just cleared £1050 ( lowest for a few months) and have 5x 1 nighter trips ( mco= $144 jfk $266( vs3) iad $188 bom£80 bgi £120 .)
Does that mean that you received £1050 and in addition $144 + $266 etc? or do you mean that your total earning were £1050 including $144 + $266 etc?
Also, I assume 1 nighter it means that you are away for one night, during that night what are you expected to pay for? e.g. hotels? food? etc...
Also, in terms of recruitment, do you know whether me being 31 would go against me with VA? Although, I do take care of myself, dont smoke and dont drink much and try to keep fit etc, so I don't look my age but just wondered what their preferences are when it comes to this subject,
All your comments and wisdom will very much be welcome, thank you in advance
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Glamourgirl - thanx so much for your help and opinions - I really appreciate it - particuarly as a former #1 with another airline!! I'd love to know who you flew for but obviously best to keep these things anonymous! (i'll bet we worked for the same!)
I was out with to a friend who used to fly with me (as a junior) but flies with VS now, and yeah he was honest and said the money isn't that good and are the WORST during the first 6 months. His credit cards are maxed.
Lets face it - we crew all live to our means !! WE all like to shop, have a nice home and drive a nice car. Reassuring to know it can be done though. I'll have to economise!
I am just so utterly sick of my existing airline faffing around (a first after 7 yrs of service - and believe me, I'm Mr Positive..!!) I'm 30 now and after flying for so long it's a decision not to be taken lightly to want to "jump ship" and join a new airline !!
I think I'm going to apply (they may say no!) tighten my belt money wise and hopefully look forward to a brighter and not so worried long term future and career with an airline who means business, and as you say has good prospects.
Thanks again X
I was out with to a friend who used to fly with me (as a junior) but flies with VS now, and yeah he was honest and said the money isn't that good and are the WORST during the first 6 months. His credit cards are maxed.
Lets face it - we crew all live to our means !! WE all like to shop, have a nice home and drive a nice car. Reassuring to know it can be done though. I'll have to economise!
I am just so utterly sick of my existing airline faffing around (a first after 7 yrs of service - and believe me, I'm Mr Positive..!!) I'm 30 now and after flying for so long it's a decision not to be taken lightly to want to "jump ship" and join a new airline !!
I think I'm going to apply (they may say no!) tighten my belt money wise and hopefully look forward to a brighter and not so worried long term future and career with an airline who means business, and as you say has good prospects.
Thanks again X
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Just to clarify: my salary was £1050 plus the allowances downroute to pay for food ( hotel paid for by the company) and age 31 certainly wont go against you whatsoever.( remember though this is a seniors wage, as a junior I always cleared around £880 plus the allowances.)
If you are really concerned about the dosh I would seriously consider the worlds favourite as I know their allowances are alot higher than vs and they seem to get big bucks for things like delay pay, crew down and box payments for long-long flights.
Good luck with your descicion.
If you are really concerned about the dosh I would seriously consider the worlds favourite as I know their allowances are alot higher than vs and they seem to get big bucks for things like delay pay, crew down and box payments for long-long flights.
Good luck with your descicion.
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Thanks again Glamourgirl, and apologies to you and crewuseonly for coming into your conversation,
I really appriciate your advice and info. I have decided to apply to both VA and BA, the worlds favourite are only recruiting for the Gatwick fleet which does not have many long hauls which is what I am after, never mind, nobody said I could have everything, decent dosh and long haul trips, anyways, let's see how it all turns out,
Thanks again
I really appriciate your advice and info. I have decided to apply to both VA and BA, the worlds favourite are only recruiting for the Gatwick fleet which does not have many long hauls which is what I am after, never mind, nobody said I could have everything, decent dosh and long haul trips, anyways, let's see how it all turns out,
Thanks again
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VIRGIN SALARY
I THINK ITS A GOOD IDEA PEOPLE GIVING THE IDEA OF HOW MUCH YOU WILL BE EARNING BECAUSE THEY DONT TELL YOU EXACTLY AT THE INTERVIEW ON HOW MUCH YOU WOULD GET WITH ALLOWANCES...
IVE GOT BA CREW AND IM DEF TAKING THAT INSTEAD OF EVEN WASTING THE INK ON MY PEN FOR VIRGIN APPLICATION .. GREAT PERKS AT VIRGIN BUT WHATS THE POINT WHEN YOU DONT EARN ENOUGH TO SPEND...
IVE GOT BA CREW AND IM DEF TAKING THAT INSTEAD OF EVEN WASTING THE INK ON MY PEN FOR VIRGIN APPLICATION
.. GREAT PERKS AT VIRGIN BUT WHATS THE POINT WHEN YOU DONT EARN ENOUGH TO SPEND...
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No need to SHOUT!!!
Advice was offered - nothing more, or less. Sometimes there are other reasons for joining a company than just salary. In your case, clearly not. Experience shows that posted salary details is rarely helpful and often inaccurate.
Now sit down, have a cup of tea and try and relax a bit...
Advice was offered - nothing more, or less. Sometimes there are other reasons for joining a company than just salary. In your case, clearly not. Experience shows that posted salary details is rarely helpful and often inaccurate.
Now sit down, have a cup of tea and try and relax a bit...
DIDNT REALISE CAPS IS SHOUTING!!
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Salaries,
Although I respect the views suggesting that salaries should not be openly discussed, I am curious as to the reasons are?
As I said before I do not know much about the industry, so are there any kind of consequences to discussing your salarie in this industry? if so what kind?
I also understand that sometimes the figures suggested might be inaccurate because of varying contracts, different circumstances etc, and that needs to be taken into account by the person asking the question; I guess the point I am trying to make is that there appears to be an issue about transparancy when it comes to salaries and if there is nothing to hide, why hide it? If the person does not mind being open and choose to talk about their salary, what is the issue?
It just really helps people who are trying to get into the industry to make a more informed choice, that's all. The airlines are very ambigiuos on the subject as well... so it is difficult to make financial decisions that can affect your life in the short/long terms as unfortunately the world does move with money...
I just want to reiterate my thanks to both Glamourgirl and VirginBoi for the open and honest responses,
As I said before I do not know much about the industry, so are there any kind of consequences to discussing your salarie in this industry? if so what kind?
I also understand that sometimes the figures suggested might be inaccurate because of varying contracts, different circumstances etc, and that needs to be taken into account by the person asking the question; I guess the point I am trying to make is that there appears to be an issue about transparancy when it comes to salaries and if there is nothing to hide, why hide it? If the person does not mind being open and choose to talk about their salary, what is the issue?
It just really helps people who are trying to get into the industry to make a more informed choice, that's all. The airlines are very ambigiuos on the subject as well... so it is difficult to make financial decisions that can affect your life in the short/long terms as unfortunately the world does move with money...
I just want to reiterate my thanks to both Glamourgirl and VirginBoi for the open and honest responses,
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Well Eman, it may surprise you to hear but many people consider their wages a personal thing. They do not want people discussing how much they earn as it is private. Secondly , if anything should ever occur within the company people can use these figures against the employees for whatever reason that may be, it has happened before and certainly happens in BA regularly and occuring at the moment with all the newspapers claiming that the "over" paid staff are now recieving a bonus!!! Im certainly not over paid and badly need to bonus.
Finally, if you really want to know the salaries there is nothing wrong with asking people to PM you but they should not be posted for all to see!
These are only some of the more obvious explanations but there are plenty of other reasons why this info should not be so publicly quoted.
Finally, if you really want to know the salaries there is nothing wrong with asking people to PM you but they should not be posted for all to see!
These are only some of the more obvious explanations but there are plenty of other reasons why this info should not be so publicly quoted.
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Naughtybutnice: Im interested in what you have to say about BA salary. To me, Salary IS important (and I'm not shouting by the way!!! ) just wondered - are you BA heathrow/ gatwick/ manchester etc etc? I'm currently at Virgin - lovin' it, but hatin' it at the same time!! Have thought about taking the job I was offered with BA, but most people say its 'the same s***, but different uniform'. What's your take on it? (or anyone's for that matter!)
) just wondered - are you BA heathrow/ gatwick/ manchester etc etc? I'm currently at Virgin - lovin' it, but hatin' it at the same time!! Have thought about taking the job I was offered with BA, but most people say its 'the same s***, but different uniform'. What's your take on it? (or anyone's for that matter!)
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Hi Guys i got the job with VS & Air NZ....
I do not know which one to accept as the money is not good in VS but the destinations are fab and conditions are good also i want to commute from france ....
Air NZ is better paid but not much .....
WHAT SHOULD I DO HELP !!!!!
I do not know which one to accept
as the money is not good in VS but the destinations are fab and conditions are good also i want to commute from france ....Air NZ is better paid but not much .....
WHAT SHOULD I DO HELP !!!!!
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I opened my thread with an apology for asking a 'personal' question about salary. Can't force anyone to reply if they feel I was being out of order for asking!
It could be extremely serious to me if I take the renumeration figure given at interview to be accurate and feel much happier (and very very grateful) that VS crew have been helpful and honest - probrably having themselves been in the same situation as me.
Air crew are a nice, good natured helpful bunch - mostly - we have to be to do the job we do, and I'd be quite happy to discuss my pay and conditions to anyone if it would help them make a decision, etc.
As a new user I thought this was just the place to make such an enquiry myself.
Thanks again to the people who replied to my post. I appreciate your feedback on a 'private' subject!
Perhaps any future info could be sent as a private message?
Will keep an eye on it in case anyone else responds.....!
It could be extremely serious to me if I take the renumeration figure given at interview to be accurate and feel much happier (and very very grateful) that VS crew have been helpful and honest - probrably having themselves been in the same situation as me.
Air crew are a nice, good natured helpful bunch - mostly - we have to be to do the job we do, and I'd be quite happy to discuss my pay and conditions to anyone if it would help them make a decision, etc.
As a new user I thought this was just the place to make such an enquiry myself.
Thanks again to the people who replied to my post. I appreciate your feedback on a 'private' subject!
Perhaps any future info could be sent as a private message?
Will keep an eye on it in case anyone else responds.....!
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Hey Guys,
Well I've just passed my probation at Virgin, and am quite happy to share with you that whilst on probation I cleared at least £900 in the bank, but generally took home more than this depending on commission and crew down payments etc. Obviously the allowances are the same whilst on probation as the info given above, I've been bringing back around £200 - £300 after spends, depending on where i've been and what i've been up to (although I do tend to do 1 or 2 MCO's per month, so this figure could probably be a little better!).
I'm much happier now than at my previous airlines, but I do agree with the point that if money is an issue then maybe you should try BA? Although as somebody said, they are currently only recruiting for LGW and I've heard from several sources that the pay there isn't any better than at Virgin (please don't shoot me if i'm wrong!
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Well I've just passed my probation at Virgin, and am quite happy to share with you that whilst on probation I cleared at least £900 in the bank, but generally took home more than this depending on commission and crew down payments etc. Obviously the allowances are the same whilst on probation as the info given above, I've been bringing back around £200 - £300 after spends, depending on where i've been and what i've been up to (although I do tend to do 1 or 2 MCO's per month, so this figure could probably be a little better!).
I'm much happier now than at my previous airlines, but I do agree with the point that if money is an issue then maybe you should try BA? Although as somebody said, they are currently only recruiting for LGW and I've heard from several sources that the pay there isn't any better than at Virgin (please don't shoot me if i'm wrong!
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