Min crew on B767-300!

[flymeboy]

Hello People!

Just a quick question for anyone who is or was a cabin crew member on the Boeing 767-300 aircraft!

I recently travelled on a carrier of the Boeing 767-300 (4 door and not the overwing kind) and was wondering what the min crew and their seating positions were, as on this flight there were no crew at the R3 door/exit for take-off and landing!

Any info would be great to satisful my simple mind!

Happy flights!!

FMB xx

[Eddy]

Certainly with BA the minimum crew is 7 as D3R can be a self-help exit. At the same time, this door is an "overwing" style door and does not require mode selection.

I would have thought that, had the door been a normal door then you would need eight crew. I certainly wasn't aware that Boeing built 767-300s with four full-sized doors on each side, and I like to think that I know my aircraft (though the 767 is not one I'm particularly knowledgable about).

[bcf&gloves]

Well it has been a while since I was crew on the 767-300 but we would operate a min of 8 crew, 1 per door. We would usually operate with 9.

Couldn't imagine working with less than that on this fab aircraft.

[TightSlot]

Min Crew comp will usually be related to the a/c config (number/type of doors) and the number of pax seats.

[apaddyinuk]

Originally Posted by bcf&gloves

Well it has been a while since I was crew on the 767-300 but we would operate a min of 8 crew, 1 per door. We would usually operate with 9.
Couldn't imagine working with less than that on this fab aircraft.

Hehehe, well BA have reduced their Longhaul 767's to 8 crew!!! But oddly enough the service runs very smoothly!

[flymeboy]

Hello Peps!

Thanks for the info - it wasnt 4 "doors", doors 3 were similar to the 757 doors 3. I was just wandering cos the pax sat next to R3 werent briefed and the way I understood it that you need one crew per exit on a twin aisle aircraft!

Cheers for the info!

FMB xx

[ContractFlyGal]

767 Minimum Crew

The crewing of any aircraft depends on CAA/JAA/TC/FAA of 1 flight attendant for every 50 seats. 49 seats = 1 flight attendant, 51 seats=2 flight attendants. However, into this mix comes individual company policy. Your specific company may place 8 flight attendants on the plane regardless of the number of seats. But this is company policy. I recently worked a contract position on a 747SP. 94 seats, no seats in the upper deck. FAA required a minimum of 4 flight attendants on this specific aircraft due to the size. It was a special addendum to their FAA regulations. The had us alternate with flight attendants at L1, R2, L3, R4. No flight attendant for the upper deck as this was not to be occupied for take off or landing.

[bhx_boi]

min crew 763

With my airline the min crew is 8, normal 9 , when operating with 8 crew, which is very common, we loose the number 9 position, so we always have a crew member at each exit, for t/o and landing.
we do have agreement that inbound we can operate with 7 crew, btw, our 763`s are config of either 328, or 315 pax

[ChewyTheWookie]

Blimey, that's a lot of pax for a 763....

[flybywire]

Flymeboy you're correct. On a wide body aircraft you should still have one cabin crew per door because of the two aisles. Also 1 cabin crew every 50 seats, whether they're occupied or not. However, self help exits (like doors 3 on the 767-300) might be different. Provided the crew give a specific briefing to the passengers (ABPs) who are seated next to it before take off, *maybe* you could get away with only one, like on the 757-200, but I am not sure (and it sounds a bit crazy to me) so I have to look into this.

When I was working for First Choice our 767-300s had 312 seats. In theory they would roster 9 crew when they could but in practice we always eneded up flying on min crew, which was 8.

[ContractFlyGal]

Exit Row Briefings

In the US it is required that passengers sitting at an exit row are individually briefed prior to take off. They are asked to review the safety card and also if they understand that they may be required to assist in an emergency. Do European/Australian etc airlines also do that?

[esreverlluf]

My airline (Qantas) operates a mixture of 4 door (+ overwing exits) and 8 door (ex BA) B767 models. Min cabin crew on the 4 door is 7 crew and on the 8 door is 8 crew. Being the tight-arsed company that it is, we almost always operate with minimum crew.

We also have a couple of high(ish) density configured 4 door aircraft where 2 seats have to blocked out to meet the 1 crew/36 pax requirement in Australia when operating with 7 crew. (OK 254 pax is a bit woosie compared to First Choices' 312!)

Oh and did I mention - a full, hot meal service between Melbourne & Sydney, which can be as little as a 43 minute sector.

I guess rules vary from country to country . . .

[tetzuo]

its a few years ago but when i was working for britannia GmbH in germany we had the 767-300 with 328 pax and 8 exits (no overwing exits) minimum crew was 7, 1 per 50 pax and that was caa and lba (the german caa) requierment. i remember in the uk they used 9 crew we started out with 9 but after a few month they cut of the no. 9 so we had to work with 8 cabin crew and quit ofte only with 7.

[banewboi]

flybywire in the uk the caa only stipulates the ratio number of crew:50 pax seats (unfilled or filled, or part thereof) and that where a pax is sat if there is no attendant then they must be briefed on how to open it. anything above this number is company discretion. contractflygal you are quite correct, 50 pax 1 attendant, 51 and you would need two

there has been a special amendment by caa and jarops: that on any inbound sector a flight may operate one below legal minimum (not company policy minimum) if the pax figure is reduced accordingly as this is deemed a rescue flight.

eg: a 767 - 300 (312 config) min crew is 7,
a crew member goes sick downroute and has to be offloaded,
the pax figure must be reduced to 300 but the flight may operate with only 6 crew.

[sixmilehighclub]

Being the tight-arsed company that it is, we almost always operate with minimum crew.

What you meant to say was that your crew have such a high level of efficiency and expertise that you can do it with minimum crew!! Is that not right???

[flapsforty]

ContractFlyGal, the rules are the same, with minor variations, the world over. Able bodied passengers only, next to what the UK people call self-help exits, to be briefed by the cabin crew on how they are to open the exit in an emergency.

Actial practice varies considerably.

[tamboekie]

At my airline the min crew is 7. Most of the time we operate with 8 crew.
We have 32 C/class and 180 Y/class seats. If we operate with 7 crew the 3L station is not manned.
When we operated the B767-300 as an all Y/class aircraft we had only 247 seats.I am amazed to see some airlines have over 300 seats.

[flybywire]

Originally Posted by tamboekie

I am amazed to see some airlines have over 300 seats.

and with a two-class configuration!

[Joe Monsoon]

B767-300 ER min crew depends

The crewing of any aircraft depends on CAA/JAA/TC/FAA . some air lines do it with min 6 crew e.g Gulf Air 257 pax with 6 doors and 2 over wing exits. one-class configuration HOPE IT HELPS

JOE

[banewboi]

6 crew would confirm that it would fall into the 1 fa:50 pax rule, not relating to doors, but it seems that with 2 doors and 2 overwings you are talking about 767 - 200?