Etihad routes+ lay overs
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Hi,
does anyone know some nbew routes for 2006 for EY? How long are their lay overs? eg Brussels, Toronto,BKK,FRA,MUC? Are there any EY crew here on this forum? Please contact me
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does anyone know some nbew routes for 2006 for EY? How long are their lay overs? eg Brussels, Toronto,BKK,FRA,MUC? Are there any EY crew here on this forum? Please contact me
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Season's Greetings!
Decided to bump this up as I am also very interested to know how EY's trips are, in terms of length and days off after a trip, or any other info on working for them as CC for that matter.
Many thanks in advance!
Decided to bump this up as I am also very interested to know how EY's trips are, in terms of length and days off after a trip, or any other info on working for them as CC for that matter.
Many thanks in advance!
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I have a friend at EY who recently did the AUH-BRU-YYZ and told me they stay 48 hours in each city except when operating YYZ-BRU on Saturday. In that case, they stay in BRU for nearly 72 hours.
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Etihad
From the most wealthy Emirate the following
This operation is atrocious!
Do not even consider coming here.
The Cabin crew management needs to be cleaned up desperately.
You have never seen such a dictatorship, QR is better (can you imagine)
Crew are very unhappy in regard to wages and conditions yet will not speak out through fear of reprisal.
No ALLOWANCES on overnights including countries like Europe, UK and Canada which is insain.
Prior to going into accommodation crew are spending up to six months at base in average hotels on $100 USD per MONTH!!!! as allowance.
A very poor copy of Emirates.
Evil people at the helm, no one interested in helping.
upper management blind or do not care.
Humans suffering.
This operation is atrocious!
Do not even consider coming here.
The Cabin crew management needs to be cleaned up desperately.
You have never seen such a dictatorship, QR is better (can you imagine)
Crew are very unhappy in regard to wages and conditions yet will not speak out through fear of reprisal.
No ALLOWANCES on overnights including countries like Europe, UK and Canada which is insain.
Prior to going into accommodation crew are spending up to six months at base in average hotels on $100 USD per MONTH!!!! as allowance.
A very poor copy of Emirates.
Evil people at the helm, no one interested in helping.
upper management blind or do not care.
Humans suffering.
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As for no allowances on overnight, it is true. Though you are given a crew allowance for each day of duty despite the length of it, which is added to your salary.
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Yes, things need to change in the allowance department for long trips. How can a cabin crew survive on 210DHS per day in Brussels?????
The whole 9 day trip costs more than you earn for that trip unless you are happy to sit in your room. There are things to do but you still want to do nice things which will cost money.
The layovers are great but you need the allowance to go with it like in most airlines.....in local currency given to you at the hotel.
There are things that do need changing....for a happy workplace, which it is not at the moment.
The whole 9 day trip costs more than you earn for that trip unless you are happy to sit in your room. There are things to do but you still want to do nice things which will cost money.
The layovers are great but you need the allowance to go with it like in most airlines.....in local currency given to you at the hotel.
There are things that do need changing....for a happy workplace, which it is not at the moment.
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I have a question and hope someone can clarify it up for me in regards to the pay at Etihad. The basic, as far as I understand, is Dhs 3010 and each duty day is Dhs 210. It has been said that on average, a cabin crew can expect 20 duty days which would equate to Dhs 4200. Add that on to the basic and you will get a total of Dhs 7210... so my question is simply this: is this pay really that bad and insufficient for expenses during your layovers?
I understand that at Emirates, the basic is about Dhs 3600 and they get paid for each hour of duty as soon as doors are closed plus they get allowances on their layovers... so how much can they expect to bring home each month inclusive of the allowances? Would it range in the Dhs 9000 mark or so? What about in Qatar Airways?
Understandable that Dhs210 is not sufficient for a day in Brussels or London, considering their high standards of living and currency exchange rates, but I have always thought that the total package in terms of pay brought back by Etihad cabin crew is similar to that of Emirates and Qatar Airways.
Many thanks for the replies.
I understand that at Emirates, the basic is about Dhs 3600 and they get paid for each hour of duty as soon as doors are closed plus they get allowances on their layovers... so how much can they expect to bring home each month inclusive of the allowances? Would it range in the Dhs 9000 mark or so? What about in Qatar Airways?
Understandable that Dhs210 is not sufficient for a day in Brussels or London, considering their high standards of living and currency exchange rates, but I have always thought that the total package in terms of pay brought back by Etihad cabin crew is similar to that of Emirates and Qatar Airways.
Many thanks for the replies.
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ThomasRoberts,
at QR it's the same system then @ EK. I think EY should adopt the same system. A new airline like theirs can't have unsatisfied people!!!!
210 Dhs/day? that\'s not even 50 Euros... wow, that\'s really low I\'d say. Most airlines, like mine give at least 70 Euros per nightstop, whether it\'s a 12hrs or a 23hrs59mins one. For each sign-in we do we get 25 euros. So for a simple nightstop we get 95 euros which I think is not too bad.
at QR it's the same system then @ EK. I think EY should adopt the same system. A new airline like theirs can't have unsatisfied people!!!!
210 Dhs/day? that\'s not even 50 Euros... wow, that\'s really low I\'d say. Most airlines, like mine give at least 70 Euros per nightstop, whether it\'s a 12hrs or a 23hrs59mins one. For each sign-in we do we get 25 euros. So for a simple nightstop we get 95 euros which I think is not too bad.
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At Qatar Airways you have the basic salary of QAR 3750 (after six months) plus the flying hour pay of QAR 31 (in average 65 hours a month). In total, that is QAR 5765 plus layover allowances on each layover stay.
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allowance
do you still know the lay over allowance seasick?
This is what it says on the QR website, that\'s a whole lot more then 3750 Riyals
All Cabin Crew are based in Doha, the State of Qatar and we offer a competitive tax-free package in Qatar of over US $ 1,579 per month plus hotel meal allowances
This is what it says on the QR website, that\'s a whole lot more then 3750 Riyals
All Cabin Crew are based in Doha, the State of Qatar and we offer a competitive tax-free package in Qatar of over US $ 1,579 per month plus hotel meal allowances
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It might sound enough but the sandpit is not as cheap as it used to be.
Come on 210Dhs???? you really think thats enough? And a CM gets 230Dhs? somehow this needs to be updated.
So you spend all your money on layovers whatabout when you want a holiday?
Some of the accommodation is good, but some is questionable!
Over all its a good start for people who have never flown before but for experienced crew.....don't think so.
Come on 210Dhs???? you really think thats enough? And a CM gets 230Dhs? somehow this needs to be updated.
So you spend all your money on layovers whatabout when you want a holiday?
Some of the accommodation is good, but some is questionable!
Over all its a good start for people who have never flown before but for experienced crew.....don't think so.
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Hear! Hear!
It does seem like Etihad really need to start evaluating their pay scale, especially for the layovers.
Meanwhile, I did not know that their CM gets Dhs 230 per day... hah, what a joke. But would you happen to have an idea of how much their salary is? I'm sure it's more than the measly Dhs 3010.
On a different note, most people are not aware of the pay scale at other airlines, myself being the prime example here. So how does Etihad go about recruiting people? Sure, the money they are paying right now would be good for some but what about in Europe and Australia? Because with that pay, I can only imagine how difficult it is to recruit people. Keep in mind that (a) you are asking people to uplift their roots, sort of anyways, and move to a brand new place (b) get nothing during layover and (c) people think that the pay would be similar if not more than that of Emirates.
Also, does anyone here have inside knowledge as to how high of a turnover rate they are currently experiencing at Etihad? Some sources say that their turnover has been incredibly high, bearing in mind that this is a new airline while others dismiss that.
Finally, have to say that Abu Dhabi is cheaper than Dubai. Perhaps that is why the Management is of the view that the pay is sufficient?
Thanks for your feedback and Happy New Year.
It does seem like Etihad really need to start evaluating their pay scale, especially for the layovers.
Meanwhile, I did not know that their CM gets Dhs 230 per day... hah, what a joke. But would you happen to have an idea of how much their salary is? I'm sure it's more than the measly Dhs 3010.
On a different note, most people are not aware of the pay scale at other airlines, myself being the prime example here. So how does Etihad go about recruiting people? Sure, the money they are paying right now would be good for some but what about in Europe and Australia? Because with that pay, I can only imagine how difficult it is to recruit people. Keep in mind that (a) you are asking people to uplift their roots, sort of anyways, and move to a brand new place (b) get nothing during layover and (c) people think that the pay would be similar if not more than that of Emirates.
Also, does anyone here have inside knowledge as to how high of a turnover rate they are currently experiencing at Etihad? Some sources say that their turnover has been incredibly high, bearing in mind that this is a new airline while others dismiss that.
Finally, have to say that Abu Dhabi is cheaper than Dubai. Perhaps that is why the Management is of the view that the pay is sufficient?
Thanks for your feedback and Happy New Year.
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dont do it
don't waste your time with this lot! unless you want to spend the first 5 months living on absolutely nothing.........HIDEOUS just HIDEOUS!
DR V is right, listen to him or her, very cheap cheap fake prada copy of Emirates. And yes huge turn over off staff, some only stay for the experience to gain employment elsewhere, some stay for the punishment.
Most of the thai, indian, eastern euro crowd seem ok with it, its certainly a lot more than what they earn at home, and i wish them luck
however try getting some lunch and dinner in london for 210dhs!
And let me just say that cabin crew manager starting with the letter C is totally unprofessional as the rest of them
ETIHAD (IT TOO HARD)
DR V is right, listen to him or her, very cheap cheap fake prada copy of Emirates. And yes huge turn over off staff, some only stay for the experience to gain employment elsewhere, some stay for the punishment.
Most of the thai, indian, eastern euro crowd seem ok with it, its certainly a lot more than what they earn at home, and i wish them luck
however try getting some lunch and dinner in london for 210dhs!
And let me just say that cabin crew manager starting with the letter C is totally unprofessional as the rest of them
ETIHAD (IT TOO HARD)
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I believe that the base salary for CM is 4100Dhs or there abouts. You will never get near the 10 000 Dhs mark per month.
Abu Dhabi is not that much cheaper than Dubai...maybe the taxis except good luck in one of those.
Yes, the turnover is big, anyone who has experience is leaving and others are looking elsewhere.
For an Australian or european its not worth it. Not for the money.
Emirates is also having a morale problem but at least they pay better.
Anyway, Happy New Year to all...
Abu Dhabi is not that much cheaper than Dubai...maybe the taxis except good luck in one of those.
Yes, the turnover is big, anyone who has experience is leaving and others are looking elsewhere.
For an Australian or european its not worth it. Not for the money.
Emirates is also having a morale problem but at least they pay better.
Anyway, Happy New Year to all...
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Re: Etihad routes+ lay overs
Hello everyone,
for about a month I've been flying with EY. There r lot of desinformation on the internet about this airline, but some things are very true.
First. Trainers are very good, so u will have a good training. At the moment there are no real training facilities like in EK, but the training college is being built, as the whole necessary equipment is present.
Second. There is a huge problem with accomodation here. New crew building are built very slowly, and those one which are finished are not that good. Most of them do not have gym or swimming pool. If they have gym or pool it's a disaster. You use them only if you want to get hurt.
The newest crew building is in ****ty part of Abu Dhabi, dirty area with questionable citizens. The apartments are good, but there is one extremly small bathroom and another very big. What the f*** is that?!?!?! You can't share bathroom with another person!!!!
New joiners are put in hotels and some of those hotels are very good, some of them are disaster. You get 1000 dirhams every second week for the time spent in hotels.
Third. There are no food allowances!!! So, actually, when on a layover you are spending your own money, and believe me, 210 dirhmas in Geneva, Toronto or Brussels is nothing. Crew are very dissatisfied with this, as all other airlines do have these allowances! There are roumours this will change, but for now it's like this. Salary package is generaly not good. It's the lowest compared to EK, QR or even Gulf Air. The basic salary is only 3040 dirhams and it's the same every year, unlike EK where the first year basic salary is 3640 dirhams, and the second year is 3800, third year is higher and so on. Some will say "AUH is cheaper than DXB" Yeah right, come and explain me that, as the only cheap thing in AUH is taxi. Also, you are not paid by flying hours, but by duty days. The average salary is 5000 - 6000 dirhams, and not at all 7000 - 8000 dirhams as they promise you on a assesement day. Also, the contract is for 2 years, not 3 years as they promise on assesment day.... many lies around.
Fourth. Purser salary is around 8000 - 9000 dirhams. That's a joke compared to EK!!! Also, you work in bussiness class, 1st class and economy for the same money! Is that fair?
Many people are leaving EY, especially after the end of 2 year contract. If EY management continues to treat people like this, it will be very hard for them to recruit people.
EY is maybe a good solution for people from Eastern Europe, Korea, Africa, India etc, as they can't have this salary in their home countries. But not a good place for other Europeans, Australians and so on.
Generally, think very well before joining this airline. It's true that promotions are very quickly, but the real question is money after all. Is it normal that purser in EY has the same salary as grade II crew in EK? If you ask me, it's not normal.
EY has to get their act together if they really want to represent UAE and 21st century airline.
for about a month I've been flying with EY. There r lot of desinformation on the internet about this airline, but some things are very true.
First. Trainers are very good, so u will have a good training. At the moment there are no real training facilities like in EK, but the training college is being built, as the whole necessary equipment is present.
Second. There is a huge problem with accomodation here. New crew building are built very slowly, and those one which are finished are not that good. Most of them do not have gym or swimming pool. If they have gym or pool it's a disaster. You use them only if you want to get hurt.
The newest crew building is in ****ty part of Abu Dhabi, dirty area with questionable citizens. The apartments are good, but there is one extremly small bathroom and another very big. What the f*** is that?!?!?! You can't share bathroom with another person!!!!
New joiners are put in hotels and some of those hotels are very good, some of them are disaster. You get 1000 dirhams every second week for the time spent in hotels.
Third. There are no food allowances!!! So, actually, when on a layover you are spending your own money, and believe me, 210 dirhmas in Geneva, Toronto or Brussels is nothing. Crew are very dissatisfied with this, as all other airlines do have these allowances! There are roumours this will change, but for now it's like this. Salary package is generaly not good. It's the lowest compared to EK, QR or even Gulf Air. The basic salary is only 3040 dirhams and it's the same every year, unlike EK where the first year basic salary is 3640 dirhams, and the second year is 3800, third year is higher and so on. Some will say "AUH is cheaper than DXB" Yeah right, come and explain me that, as the only cheap thing in AUH is taxi. Also, you are not paid by flying hours, but by duty days. The average salary is 5000 - 6000 dirhams, and not at all 7000 - 8000 dirhams as they promise you on a assesement day. Also, the contract is for 2 years, not 3 years as they promise on assesment day.... many lies around.
Fourth. Purser salary is around 8000 - 9000 dirhams. That's a joke compared to EK!!! Also, you work in bussiness class, 1st class and economy for the same money! Is that fair?
Many people are leaving EY, especially after the end of 2 year contract. If EY management continues to treat people like this, it will be very hard for them to recruit people.
EY is maybe a good solution for people from Eastern Europe, Korea, Africa, India etc, as they can't have this salary in their home countries. But not a good place for other Europeans, Australians and so on.
Generally, think very well before joining this airline. It's true that promotions are very quickly, but the real question is money after all. Is it normal that purser in EY has the same salary as grade II crew in EK? If you ask me, it's not normal.
EY has to get their act together if they really want to represent UAE and 21st century airline.
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Re: Etihad routes+ lay overs
Well, how about once you operate Bah/ruh flt? Duration of the flight is only 40 minutes and you come home within 4 hours and you’re paid AED 210! For any night turn around (BOM/DEL) you’re paid AED 420! Now my question is how much your friends are in QR or EK’s are earning for those flight?
People who are complaining about EY without knowing EK and QR, I insist they should take a little break from here and enjoy The Military life in QR.
Well, I do understand that you will be earning above $3000 in QR after having only 4days off in the base in a month and on top of that there is latest a memo if you want to earn even more. In your days off if u volunteer and fly, they will pay you extra 200 real along with your flying allowances. More interestingly, they will pay you one month salary extra if you don't take your annual leave.
So again I wish you all the best to you all who are desperate for money. They should all go and fly for QR or EK.
People who are complaining about EY without knowing EK and QR, I insist they should take a little break from here and enjoy The Military life in QR.
Well, I do understand that you will be earning above $3000 in QR after having only 4days off in the base in a month and on top of that there is latest a memo if you want to earn even more. In your days off if u volunteer and fly, they will pay you extra 200 real along with your flying allowances. More interestingly, they will pay you one month salary extra if you don't take your annual leave.
So again I wish you all the best to you all who are desperate for money. They should all go and fly for QR or EK.
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