BA Cabin Crew...bring on the laughing stock!
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Dontdoit (or should I call you BA reject) if you had your facts right then you'd know that the reason people didn't object to eg300 is because the union advised us to accept it as no-one wants another BA strike. As for us being weak with accepting terms and conditions how do u explain us being the airline with the best terms and conditions?
Sad isn't it when people get so pathetic that they have to sl*g everyone else off to make themselves feel better about themselves
GET A LIFE!!
As for everyone else, please don't give dontdoit the satisfaction of your replies.
Sad isn't it when people get so pathetic that they have to sl*g everyone else off to make themselves feel better about themselves
GET A LIFE!!
As for everyone else, please don't give dontdoit the satisfaction of your replies.
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yeh, unskilled labour that goes through a selection process where about 2 in every hundred get through, and thousands more are waiting to get in. so unskilled that I flew with an ex accountant yesterday, who'd given up his 85k salary to work for BA. So unskilled that numerous amounts of people have degrees or have priceless experience in other areas. So unskilled that everyday I work with some of the most intelligent and greatest people that i've ever come across.
Get my drift yet?
If u think skills have to come with certificates with grades on then I think u need to look a bit closer at your own skills.
Get my drift yet?
If u think skills have to come with certificates with grades on then I think u need to look a bit closer at your own skills.
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lisat,
That's as maybe. The fact remains though that they don't need degrees or the priceless experience in other areas. Sure, a company will certainly choose experienced, educated people above those who aren't when it has a choice, but the fact remains that those they choose don't need to be skilled.
So unskilled that numerous amounts of people have degrees or have priceless experience in other areas. So unskilled that everyday I work with some of the most intelligent and greatest people that i've ever come across.
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So unskilled that everyday I work with some of the most intelligent and greatest people that i've ever come across.
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I know a retired solicitor who works 3 nights a week stacking shelves at Sainsbury's! It's totally unskilled work, whether you're a brain surgeon or a no qualifications academic failure. The same principle applies here.
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Hang on.....
This debate is getting onto another tangent again before the previous issue is settled.
Skilled or unskilled? Who cares?!
Is a supermodel 'skilled labour'?
But to all of you who have claimed previously in this post that we are OVERPAID and than VS BD etc is the 'NORM'. All of you who claim we are overpaid prima donnas. Now that you know our basic salary (ie the one we can rely on rain, hail or shine) means we can take home £800 per month. The one that is taken into consideration for pensions, mortgages etc.
So, what do you think? Overpaid. Outrageously OTT terms and conditions?
This debate is getting onto another tangent again before the previous issue is settled.
Skilled or unskilled? Who cares?!
Is a supermodel 'skilled labour'?
But to all of you who have claimed previously in this post that we are OVERPAID and than VS BD etc is the 'NORM'. All of you who claim we are overpaid prima donnas. Now that you know our basic salary (ie the one we can rely on rain, hail or shine) means we can take home £800 per month. The one that is taken into consideration for pensions, mortgages etc.
So, what do you think? Overpaid. Outrageously OTT terms and conditions?
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Sorry, haven't followed most of the thread but I do just love your logic:
2 in every hundred get through: That proves that the terms and conditions are so attractive that huge numbers of people want them - leans towards suggesting you are paid too much.
gave up his 85K salary: again this suggests that large amounts of money are available for doing less than elsewhere
If u think skills have to come with certificates with grades on/numerous amounts of people have degrees: But your point is that people have degrees and that proves they are not unskilled
And as others have pointed out that simply means that some people who work for you have attained skills elswhere - unless they are a job requirement that isn't particularly relevent.
But on the whole pay issue would it be a stab in the dark to say that your basic is woefully low but extras are ridiculously high?
yeh, unskilled labour that goes through a selection process where about 2 in every hundred get through, and thousands more are waiting to get in. so unskilled that I flew with an ex accountant yesterday, who'd given up his 85k salary to work for BA. So unskilled that numerous amounts of people have degrees or have priceless experience in other areas. So unskilled that everyday I work with some of the most intelligent and greatest people that i've ever come across.........If u think skills have to come with certificates with grades on then I think u need to look a bit closer at your own skills
2 in every hundred get through: That proves that the terms and conditions are so attractive that huge numbers of people want them - leans towards suggesting you are paid too much.
gave up his 85K salary: again this suggests that large amounts of money are available for doing less than elsewhere
If u think skills have to come with certificates with grades on/numerous amounts of people have degrees: But your point is that people have degrees and that proves they are not unskilled
And as others have pointed out that simply means that some people who work for you have attained skills elswhere - unless they are a job requirement that isn't particularly relevent.
But on the whole pay issue would it be a stab in the dark to say that your basic is woefully low but extras are ridiculously high?
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Ah the old "we are highly qualified in the cabin" chestnut. Been done to death elsewhere. Suffice to say the piloting skills that cabin crew seem to think are a mere trade , are essential to not killing everyone. A barristers knowlege of the finer points of Uk common law are not essential to "chicken or fish", or even as a team member in an emergency. An emergency i might add that will be avoided or reduced mainly due to the "tradesmen" at the front. As for selection, well my experience as ex cabin crew , now flight crew, is that in the many interviews i have attended, its more about being a woolly carer and impressing the Gentlemen of Soddom than any kind of talent.
And before the usual " whats the matter did you fail ba" nonesense is presented as a put down, the answer is no.
And before the usual " whats the matter did you fail ba" nonesense is presented as a put down, the answer is no.
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Put it this way ropey.
If I was given the option of a decent annual pensionable salary, with a fair share of work and trips, I would take that any day compared to the woefully low basic pay and extremely high (unpensionable) extras scenario.
As for skilled vs unskilled.
I am 'skilled' in the sense that I have a law degree/background.
However.............
I don't consider myself 'skilled' at anything in relation to cabin crew. I dont think it requires certain 'skills' more certain personal attributes that perhaps most cabin crew have more than others. I think I do the job well, and that it certainly takes some a high degree of patience, diplomacy, independence and resiliance. But 'skills'? Nope.
Skilled/unskilled is just another pointless label.
If I was given the option of a decent annual pensionable salary, with a fair share of work and trips, I would take that any day compared to the woefully low basic pay and extremely high (unpensionable) extras scenario.
As for skilled vs unskilled.
I am 'skilled' in the sense that I have a law degree/background.
However.............
I don't consider myself 'skilled' at anything in relation to cabin crew. I dont think it requires certain 'skills' more certain personal attributes that perhaps most cabin crew have more than others. I think I do the job well, and that it certainly takes some a high degree of patience, diplomacy, independence and resiliance. But 'skills'? Nope.
Skilled/unskilled is just another pointless label.
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This thread is turning into a circus.........
Some people can afford to get PPL/CPL/ATPL training, some can't.
Some people have medical conditions and injuries which prevent them having certain jobs they may want.
Some work their ar$es off in a well respected skilled job only to wake up one day and realise there's more to life.
Some of you should be ashamed of yourself. So many different people working in aviation are ppruners. The way you slate one persons job could make another person feel worthless and useless.
No part of aviations operation could survive without all the different departments pulling together and doing their bit. You only have to look at one department standing down and striking to see this!!
If a cabin crew member, or aircraft cleaner, dispatcher or engineer, etc decides to take on pilot training to get their licence, do they suddenly become intelligent. No. They just have knowledge of another subject. Most people have the intelligence to learn, just either choose not to or can't afford to.
If any of you were really intelligent, you'd know that its a very 'simple' and childish thing to do to insult someone.
Besides, look at what impact the idiot that started this thread had made. Exactly, they are intelligent as they knew by posting what they did, would start a virtual brawl amongst others and then sit back and observe the arguements. Wake up everyone!!
The word Skill : To be knowing; to have understanding; to be dexterous in performance
Rant over
Some people can afford to get PPL/CPL/ATPL training, some can't.
Some people have medical conditions and injuries which prevent them having certain jobs they may want.
Some work their ar$es off in a well respected skilled job only to wake up one day and realise there's more to life.
Some of you should be ashamed of yourself. So many different people working in aviation are ppruners. The way you slate one persons job could make another person feel worthless and useless.
No part of aviations operation could survive without all the different departments pulling together and doing their bit. You only have to look at one department standing down and striking to see this!!
If a cabin crew member, or aircraft cleaner, dispatcher or engineer, etc decides to take on pilot training to get their licence, do they suddenly become intelligent. No. They just have knowledge of another subject. Most people have the intelligence to learn, just either choose not to or can't afford to.
If any of you were really intelligent, you'd know that its a very 'simple' and childish thing to do to insult someone.
Besides, look at what impact the idiot that started this thread had made. Exactly, they are intelligent as they knew by posting what they did, would start a virtual brawl amongst others and then sit back and observe the arguements. Wake up everyone!!
The word Skill : To be knowing; to have understanding; to be dexterous in performance
Rant over
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Depressingly, this thread is beginning to show signs of becoming QANTAS-like in the degree of unpleasantness that the contributors show to each other. Consider these points:
Many thanks - over and out.
- Everybody has the right to hold a view, whether you agree with it or not.
- If you disagree with somebody, then argue the point, not the person
- Generalisations about other jobs, genders, groups, intellects (in brief - people) will tend to make you look more foolish than those that you mock
- Good crews work as good teams within the scope of the clearly defined chain of command. Everybody knows those who manage this well and those who always seem to have problems.
Many thanks - over and out.
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I've worked for 4 other major airlines in the UK from Charter to Scheduled. I'm on the new contract. Initally I took a bit of a pay cut to go to BA on £9K but it has steadily increased. At LHR I am now taking home £400-500 per month more and work is a hell of a lot easier. The conditions are far, far better than any other airline in the UK. If BA are the laughing stock why do so many crew in the industry want to work for them? If BA want to stay in the business they need to do exactly what evey other large company is doing. Operate profitably.
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Skilled, unskilled, smart, dumb, good worker, useless working whateverrrrrrrrrrrr, if this:
BMI..................................15600
Brittania...........................17100
British Airways.................27800
Easyjet............................15300
Monarch..........................14300
My Travel.........................17400
Thomas Cook...................13300
Virgin Atlantic...................16800
Others..............................11700
is the going rate of all these airlines in the UK, you must be a fool if you choose to work for anybody but BA!
So as I always say...get a life you silly, jealous people.
P.S. Our new absence policy is not that bad at all, and the only way you'll get into the 'disciplinary stages' is if you seriously take advantage of the system. So they paid us a bonus for something that's turned out not to be bad at all...Sorry to dissapoint you all...
BMI..................................15600
Brittania...........................17100
British Airways.................27800
Easyjet............................15300
Monarch..........................14300
My Travel.........................17400
Thomas Cook...................13300
Virgin Atlantic...................16800
Others..............................11700
is the going rate of all these airlines in the UK, you must be a fool if you choose to work for anybody but BA!
So as I always say...get a life you silly, jealous people.
P.S. Our new absence policy is not that bad at all, and the only way you'll get into the 'disciplinary stages' is if you seriously take advantage of the system. So they paid us a bonus for something that's turned out not to be bad at all...Sorry to dissapoint you all...
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From your comment that "you must be a fool if you choose to work for anybody but BA" merely shows a lack of understanding regarding the salaries you quote.
Your prime reason for working there i'd imagine is money, otherwise I doubt you'd quote money. Nothing wrong with that. None of us go to work for the love of it! You do, however, show a somewhat naive and ignorant approach with a very rude and pompous reply.
Rude in that, although hard to believe, yes, there are actually people out there who choose not to work for BA for one reason or another. So don't slate them.
Pompous, in that you obviously think yourself to be better than those that don't work for BA.
And ignorant, because the figures you quote in no way reflect an accurate comparison for all new Airline joiners.Therefore hardly the 'going rate' as you put it. What you've quoted is statistical data compiled from CAA in regards to the 'average' salary paid to Cabin Crew in the Company. Considering the 'experience' of many of your more senior collegues, it's hardly surprising there is such a big difference. Virgin, as far as i'm aware, havn't got that many Girls and boys in there fifties. Nor have any of 'the others'!
You shouldn't call other people silly before ensuring your own facts and figures are correct.
From your comment that "you must be a fool if you choose to work for anybody but BA" merely shows a lack of understanding regarding the salaries you quote.
Your prime reason for working there i'd imagine is money, otherwise I doubt you'd quote money. Nothing wrong with that. None of us go to work for the love of it! You do, however, show a somewhat naive and ignorant approach with a very rude and pompous reply.
Rude in that, although hard to believe, yes, there are actually people out there who choose not to work for BA for one reason or another. So don't slate them.
Pompous, in that you obviously think yourself to be better than those that don't work for BA.
And ignorant, because the figures you quote in no way reflect an accurate comparison for all new Airline joiners.Therefore hardly the 'going rate' as you put it. What you've quoted is statistical data compiled from CAA in regards to the 'average' salary paid to Cabin Crew in the Company. Considering the 'experience' of many of your more senior collegues, it's hardly surprising there is such a big difference. Virgin, as far as i'm aware, havn't got that many Girls and boys in there fifties. Nor have any of 'the others'!
You shouldn't call other people silly before ensuring your own facts and figures are correct.