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Australian Airlines this week announced the introduction
of twice weekly services, subject to government approval, between Sydney
and Phuket in time for the Christmas holiday season. The announcement was
made on Tuesday in the lead up to Australian Airlines' third birthday
celebrations yesterday. The airline will commence the special Boeing 767
services to the holiday destination with a return fare from $1241. These
regular scheduled services will operate on Tuesdays and Saturdays from 3
December until 31 January and should demand be sufficient a year round
operation will be considered.
AO also pulling out of MEL-DPS and PER-DPS temporarily due poor loads.
of twice weekly services, subject to government approval, between Sydney
and Phuket in time for the Christmas holiday season. The announcement was
made on Tuesday in the lead up to Australian Airlines' third birthday
celebrations yesterday. The airline will commence the special Boeing 767
services to the holiday destination with a return fare from $1241. These
regular scheduled services will operate on Tuesdays and Saturdays from 3
December until 31 January and should demand be sufficient a year round
operation will be considered.
AO also pulling out of MEL-DPS and PER-DPS temporarily due poor loads.
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AUSTRALIAN AIRLINES TO SUSPEND SOME BALI SERVICES
Australian Airlines today announced it would suspend some of its services to Bali from 10 November.
Australian Airlines Chief Executive Andrea Staines said services to Bali from both Perth and Melbourne would be suspended until 29 January.
“We have taken this decision in line with the decrease in demand for Bali following the bombings on 1 October,” Ms Staines said. “However, we are confident Australians will return to Bali in increased numbers as they have done in the past.
“We will continue to monitor demand and will increase capacity accordingly.”
Ms Staines said Australian Airlines currently operated seven weekly services from Australia to Bali.
“From 10 November, we will suspend our two weekly services between Perth and Bali and two weekly services between Melbourne and Bali,” she said.
“Australian Airlines will continue to operate three services each week between Sydney and Bali.”
Ms Staines said customers with reservations on cancelled Australian Airlines flights would be accommodated on other services.
The twice-weekly return Qantas service between Darwin and Denpasar will operate as normal.
I see some of the roster patterns have changed now. New RP 41 has crew operating CNS-SYD-DPS in one day. Two days rest in DPS. Then DPS-SIN-DPS then another day off then ops DPS-SYD-CNS in one hit. Can't figure out if this will be a good trip or not !
Australian Airlines today announced it would suspend some of its services to Bali from 10 November.
Australian Airlines Chief Executive Andrea Staines said services to Bali from both Perth and Melbourne would be suspended until 29 January.
“We have taken this decision in line with the decrease in demand for Bali following the bombings on 1 October,” Ms Staines said. “However, we are confident Australians will return to Bali in increased numbers as they have done in the past.
“We will continue to monitor demand and will increase capacity accordingly.”
Ms Staines said Australian Airlines currently operated seven weekly services from Australia to Bali.
“From 10 November, we will suspend our two weekly services between Perth and Bali and two weekly services between Melbourne and Bali,” she said.
“Australian Airlines will continue to operate three services each week between Sydney and Bali.”
Ms Staines said customers with reservations on cancelled Australian Airlines flights would be accommodated on other services.
The twice-weekly return Qantas service between Darwin and Denpasar will operate as normal.
I see some of the roster patterns have changed now. New RP 41 has crew operating CNS-SYD-DPS in one day. Two days rest in DPS. Then DPS-SIN-DPS then another day off then ops DPS-SYD-CNS in one hit. Can't figure out if this will be a good trip or not !
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I have that very trip on my next roster, however one small difference, DPS/SYD-pax-CNS, not operate all the way through like we have been doing, which is much better. At least operating all the way CNS/SYD/DPS is a day flight and not back of clock, so it wont really be that bad. I prefer this as opposed to the other way round.
Yay - finally the opportunity to cancel pax and stay in SYD on days off. Can't remember the last time we were able to do this!
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Yay - finally the opportunity to cancel pax and stay in SYD on days off. Can't remember the last time we were able to do this!
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No announcement.... if any on this matter.
It may happen....it may not. Yes QF have announced plans for Jetstar Intl but AO has not been mentioned. The only people questioning AO's existence out loud is the media - a reliable bunch !
It seems everyone is an expert on what is going to happen to AO. But the fact remains that the only people who know what is going to happen is the QF board.
Another rumour at the moment is an annoucment in the next few days of AO taking over one of the two CNS-NRT services off QF and announcing a premium economy class across the fleet of five aircraft.
Waiting, Waiting, Waiting...............................
It may happen....it may not. Yes QF have announced plans for Jetstar Intl but AO has not been mentioned. The only people questioning AO's existence out loud is the media - a reliable bunch !
It seems everyone is an expert on what is going to happen to AO. But the fact remains that the only people who know what is going to happen is the QF board.
Another rumour at the moment is an annoucment in the next few days of AO taking over one of the two CNS-NRT services off QF and announcing a premium economy class across the fleet of five aircraft.
Waiting, Waiting, Waiting...............................
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Sounds like the rumour mill is working over time.........and i am only going to add fuel to the fire.
Dixon is apparently not happy with the AO because it didn't produce the concessions and hence lower cost base that he and his cronies were after (which is why it was concieved in the first place).
JQ on the other was one of the best performers in the QF group during the last financial year and during a press conference Dixon alluded to it's future and potential international expansion. As of Dec 1 JQ will operate A320's to CHC - from there? who knows.
I have heard that the A330-200's will be moved from QF mainline to JQ for flights to HNL, SIN and FCO amongst others. There is some fact to support this in that QF cannot utilise the -200's range as the floors are to thin to support the Sky Bed and therefore cannot be deployed in Int. routes.
I have probably added more questions then answers.
Dixon is apparently not happy with the AO because it didn't produce the concessions and hence lower cost base that he and his cronies were after (which is why it was concieved in the first place).
JQ on the other was one of the best performers in the QF group during the last financial year and during a press conference Dixon alluded to it's future and potential international expansion. As of Dec 1 JQ will operate A320's to CHC - from there? who knows.
I have heard that the A330-200's will be moved from QF mainline to JQ for flights to HNL, SIN and FCO amongst others. There is some fact to support this in that QF cannot utilise the -200's range as the floors are to thin to support the Sky Bed and therefore cannot be deployed in Int. routes.
I have probably added more questions then answers.
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as i said before
GD announced dennis adams retirement. he was/is the protoge of andrea staines. expect reshuffle after the baord meeting december 7th. as i mentioned many moons ago here the australian airlines model failed due to the following.
no cheap pilots
expensive seperate management
seperate contractor for airports/marketing/etc
thin routes to fly with seasonal traffic
no business class
the only thing cheap on AO were cabin crew.
i personally doubt they will use the airbus 330-200 as this would require more pilot training (aipa would certainly not let qf easily fly other pilots the a330-s at half their current $ 257.- an hour plus +, plus) and have more then one aircraft type.
interesting times
no cheap pilots
expensive seperate management
seperate contractor for airports/marketing/etc
thin routes to fly with seasonal traffic
no business class
the only thing cheap on AO were cabin crew.
i personally doubt they will use the airbus 330-200 as this would require more pilot training (aipa would certainly not let qf easily fly other pilots the a330-s at half their current $ 257.- an hour plus +, plus) and have more then one aircraft type.
interesting times
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Yes JQ are cheap on domestic and trans tasman.
But can they be as cheap as AO on medium haul ?
It's all good and well to say that JQ are performing well on domestic.....so does AO actually. Just look at loads and yields CNS-OOL/SYD/DRW. But medium haul is a new ball game for JQ. I would be very interested to see if they can match or better AO's low cost base if providing the same product. The Japanese will not pay for meals. This makes me think that AO will still be around at least to serve the Japan market even if everything else is taken off us.
I heard 2x763's OGU and OGR are headed to AO in the new year. And as I said previously my guess is that these will be for Narita.
But can they be as cheap as AO on medium haul ?
It's all good and well to say that JQ are performing well on domestic.....so does AO actually. Just look at loads and yields CNS-OOL/SYD/DRW. But medium haul is a new ball game for JQ. I would be very interested to see if they can match or better AO's low cost base if providing the same product. The Japanese will not pay for meals. This makes me think that AO will still be around at least to serve the Japan market even if everything else is taken off us.
I heard 2x763's OGU and OGR are headed to AO in the new year. And as I said previously my guess is that these will be for Narita.
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Dixon is apparently not happy with the AO because it didn't produce the concessions and hence lower cost base that he and his cronies were after (which is why it was concieved in the first place).
Who knows what the future is for any of the airlines in the QF group.
I have heard information such as NRT being a definate, along with further recruitment at the end of this year. Maybe that's why we did a language speaker recruitment drive recently to allow for NRT.
We shall wait for the announcement from the board meetings in December.
Have a great night,
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Well, at least the AO crew get to look forward to the Holiday Inn Tobu Narita! Would the have AO and QF crew staying at the same hotel?
Also heard off a Airbus Captain that the A332 can fly longer than the A333, however, the distance they can fly is reduced dramatically when the total pax weight is added. There was a rumour of PER-Johannesburg on the A332, but this can't be true as yes the A332 would be able to get there empty, but if it was loaded up with pax, it wouldn't make it. The A333 apparently wouldn't even make it empty. So that i guess puts an end to the theory that JQ will be flying the A332 to destinations further than about 10 hours, on this aircraft anyway.
Also heard off a Airbus Captain that the A332 can fly longer than the A333, however, the distance they can fly is reduced dramatically when the total pax weight is added. There was a rumour of PER-Johannesburg on the A332, but this can't be true as yes the A332 would be able to get there empty, but if it was loaded up with pax, it wouldn't make it. The A333 apparently wouldn't even make it empty. So that i guess puts an end to the theory that JQ will be flying the A332 to destinations further than about 10 hours, on this aircraft anyway.
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clarity
raverflavor 11 million loss is not what gd wants to have. as spelled out continiously by Gd,JB and the rest each division has to return satisfactory return on capital. 11 million profit wouldn,t be enough return - get it. not gossip just facts
as to the A332 it is a twin engine and therefore requires a different set of rules flying long distances over water. it does fly a lot further then the A330 but as previously mentioned run that past AIPA that JQ will fly A332 internationally. good luck
when Jq will fly internationally the model of a low cost carrier will change dramaticially. and lets face it as i said previously teh only chaep item on AO is cabin crew. the airfares arent cheap either, contrary what GD tells the media. just compare various fares to bali, etc. with other carriers. expensive management, expensive marketing,etc.
as to the A332 it is a twin engine and therefore requires a different set of rules flying long distances over water. it does fly a lot further then the A330 but as previously mentioned run that past AIPA that JQ will fly A332 internationally. good luck
when Jq will fly internationally the model of a low cost carrier will change dramaticially. and lets face it as i said previously teh only chaep item on AO is cabin crew. the airfares arent cheap either, contrary what GD tells the media. just compare various fares to bali, etc. with other carriers. expensive management, expensive marketing,etc.
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Does a loss for ONE financial year give anybody a reason to close down/merge an airline ? Stupid if they did. Everything else at AO is great. It seems our aviation experts in the rear galleys all have their expert reason as to why AO is over "But.....they made a loss of 11 million dollars" Shock ! Horror ! Close the airline down immediately ! They made a loss for one of the three years they have been operating ! Bail out ! They have no excuse for making a loss !
Considering the operating environment AO exists in has not been so great with SARS, TSUNAMI, TERRORIST BOMBINGS etc ..I think AO has done just fine.
As for hotels in Nartia - normally it is always a different hotel to where QF stay. This is not to say though at ports where we both fly that we don't often enjoy a few drinks with the QF crews.
Considering the operating environment AO exists in has not been so great with SARS, TSUNAMI, TERRORIST BOMBINGS etc ..I think AO has done just fine.
As for hotels in Nartia - normally it is always a different hotel to where QF stay. This is not to say though at ports where we both fly that we don't often enjoy a few drinks with the QF crews.
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Most airlines makes a loss here and there. If you judge the future of an airline based soley on one financial years loss of 11 million then there are a lot of airlines that should not be flying or should have gone a long time ago!
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QF skywalker,
what you have said makes total sense, however since when have management made any sense! do you think they care about the livelyhood of their employees, all they care about is the BONUS.
what you have said makes total sense, however since when have management made any sense! do you think they care about the livelyhood of their employees, all they care about is the BONUS.
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Just look at Jetstar Asia for how illogical the actions of GD can be...
It's made greater losses than Australian ever has...so what does he do? Pumps millions upon more millions into it merging it with another failing carrier.
There's investment...and then there's just plain dumb!
It's made greater losses than Australian ever has...so what does he do? Pumps millions upon more millions into it merging it with another failing carrier.
There's investment...and then there's just plain dumb!
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youre right
look at the LHR base, loss after loss, the QF spin doctors in full mode, sick leave rampant, and then all that cr@p about customer satisfaction, just ask the thais how they get that, they pick out a few people they have pandered to and give them the survey!
Once again common sense has nothing to do with it
look at the LHR base, loss after loss, the QF spin doctors in full mode, sick leave rampant, and then all that cr@p about customer satisfaction, just ask the thais how they get that, they pick out a few people they have pandered to and give them the survey!
Once again common sense has nothing to do with it
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just stay with the facts
11 million loss one year 1.5 million profit or so the year before again guys listen to what gd and co say. they want to have an industrial return on the capital invested. i do agree with sars etc. it is not easy but if you operate on thinner routes, take seasonal factors into account and cost base it doesn't look too good. like many other airlines who have government protection and ownership AO hasn't got that luxury
mr.seatback is right the money keeps flowing into jetstar asia soon to be renamed orange. lets see what the corporate restructure brings in December
mr.seatback is right the money keeps flowing into jetstar asia soon to be renamed orange. lets see what the corporate restructure brings in December