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I love the people who are having a go at those supporting a NO vote..
they never have any alternatives or can back up any statments just doom and gloom ...chicken little all over again
instead of the yes vote which would be"lose the battle and lose the war"
I prefer a NO vote which is."win the battle..negotiate a peace deal""
they never have any alternatives or can back up any statments just doom and gloom ...chicken little all over again
instead of the yes vote which would be"lose the battle and lose the war"
I prefer a NO vote which is."win the battle..negotiate a peace deal""
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Show the faaa you can think irrespective of their propaganda inserted with the ballot form...
VOTE NO
On another note ,I wonder if anyone from the faaa has bothered to approach the company with an idea to see about the possibility of flexible crewing with QF mainline and jet star international.
The company is always interested in flexible crewing and maybe we can work on something with the company in this regard.If there is a downturn in mainline flying or the other way around then crew might be able to move from one to the other saving the company some costs......just an idea..
Remember though think smart and vote NO
VOTE NO
On another note ,I wonder if anyone from the faaa has bothered to approach the company with an idea to see about the possibility of flexible crewing with QF mainline and jet star international.
The company is always interested in flexible crewing and maybe we can work on something with the company in this regard.If there is a downturn in mainline flying or the other way around then crew might be able to move from one to the other saving the company some costs......just an idea..
Remember though think smart and vote NO
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I wonder with the attitude that Ben Dover has just displayed can we expect a fair and accurate count of the ballot
Read Pro Golfers last post and realise why we have to
VOTE NO
Read Pro Golfers last post and realise why we have to
VOTE NO
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lowerlobe you really need help.
you are so out of touch. why dont you attach your name to that stupid suggestion that those decent guys in the FAAA would rig a vote?
lets see how brave you are?
I suggest 2 things to u:-
1- actually fly and talk to crew and you will see how out of touch you are
2.- if you hate the faaa you should resign. you would be no loss .
you are so out of touch. why dont you attach your name to that stupid suggestion that those decent guys in the FAAA would rig a vote?
lets see how brave you are?
I suggest 2 things to u:-
1- actually fly and talk to crew and you will see how out of touch you are
2.- if you hate the faaa you should resign. you would be no loss .
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Ahhh the new girl arrives..
There must be a roster in the faaa office , Ben Dover departs and the other book end arrives..
If I am so out of touch ,why do you respond to my posts ?
You will have to accept my cynicism about the validity of the faaa office after I was asked if I really thought the vote was necessary and the other entire BS that the faaa exports.
Not to mention the lack of answers and communication. Remember this was supposed to have happened nearly 3 rosters ago and that was in a faaa newsletter.
The timing of this vote is no accident either, firstly it is nearly Christmas and people have a lot of things on their mind.
Secondly, waiting for the new IR laws so you and Ben Dover can spread more hysteria and gloom trying to frighten crew into voting your way...
As I said after reading Ben Dover’s last post , it is no surprise that I want to vote NO
There must be a roster in the faaa office , Ben Dover departs and the other book end arrives..
If I am so out of touch ,why do you respond to my posts ?
You will have to accept my cynicism about the validity of the faaa office after I was asked if I really thought the vote was necessary and the other entire BS that the faaa exports.
Not to mention the lack of answers and communication. Remember this was supposed to have happened nearly 3 rosters ago and that was in a faaa newsletter.
The timing of this vote is no accident either, firstly it is nearly Christmas and people have a lot of things on their mind.
Secondly, waiting for the new IR laws so you and Ben Dover can spread more hysteria and gloom trying to frighten crew into voting your way...
As I said after reading Ben Dover’s last post , it is no surprise that I want to vote NO
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The Goal Posts
The industrial relations landscape has changed forever.
Voting YES is not only wise but definitely realistic.
Antagonizing your employer in this new environment will result in self castration.
You won't even be able to negotiate the peace.
For the present, grin and bear it, and hope that the Labor Party gets its act together before the next election.
The FAAA is doing the best it can with what is available to it.
Dixons tenure expires in the next eighteen months.
When he goes there will be a blood bath in the senior and middle management ranks.
The landscape will change again.
Continuous radical change has become the norm.
When you can no longer accommodate change its to leave.
Don't get angry... move on..you have no real alternative.
Packer and Murdoch own the media.
Jamie Packer is on the QF board.
The media avenue is pretty much closed.
It is not only QF that has changed but Australia in general.
A change to the right is what the electorate wanted.
They have 18 months to realise what an enormous mistake they have made.
The changes affect total social spectrum but those in the middle and lower socio economis strata will suffer the most.
It is a great shame that the electorate is so ignorant of many the political ploys that Howard employs.
The interest rate lie is a perfect example of how Macchiavellian he is.
Maintain power at all costs.Even if the truth is the cost
Voting YES is not only wise but definitely realistic.
Antagonizing your employer in this new environment will result in self castration.
You won't even be able to negotiate the peace.
For the present, grin and bear it, and hope that the Labor Party gets its act together before the next election.
The FAAA is doing the best it can with what is available to it.
Dixons tenure expires in the next eighteen months.
When he goes there will be a blood bath in the senior and middle management ranks.
The landscape will change again.
Continuous radical change has become the norm.
When you can no longer accommodate change its to leave.
Don't get angry... move on..you have no real alternative.
Packer and Murdoch own the media.
Jamie Packer is on the QF board.
The media avenue is pretty much closed.
It is not only QF that has changed but Australia in general.
A change to the right is what the electorate wanted.
They have 18 months to realise what an enormous mistake they have made.
The changes affect total social spectrum but those in the middle and lower socio economis strata will suffer the most.
It is a great shame that the electorate is so ignorant of many the political ploys that Howard employs.
The interest rate lie is a perfect example of how Macchiavellian he is.
Maintain power at all costs.Even if the truth is the cost
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Quote "Antagonizing your employer in this new environment will result in self castration."
Heavens ,we don't want to antagonize the company by voting NO ,they might replace us AKL crew on the shuttle.....
Hang on they already have replaced us....
VOTE NO
Heavens ,we don't want to antagonize the company by voting NO ,they might replace us AKL crew on the shuttle.....
Hang on they already have replaced us....
VOTE NO
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The Fight....
Fight the battles you KNOW you can win.
With others like this one..... it is better to capitulate.
Live to fight another day.
This is only a skirmish.
Contact your local federal member.
Write letters to the editor of every major newspaper.
Join the local political party with which you are most comfortable.
Contact Worksafe with every safety transgression QF commits in the workplace.
Use the political process.
You've got 18 months to raise some sort of public awareness.
It will take all the passion you seem to have.
With others like this one..... it is better to capitulate.
Live to fight another day.
This is only a skirmish.
Contact your local federal member.
Write letters to the editor of every major newspaper.
Join the local political party with which you are most comfortable.
Contact Worksafe with every safety transgression QF commits in the workplace.
Use the political process.
You've got 18 months to raise some sort of public awareness.
It will take all the passion you seem to have.
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Off to the ballet Pro Golfer?
Good one Pro Golfer so you've sent your "ballet paper" off have you?? Probably means that your vote will be null and void or better known as a DONKEY VOTE !! Quick there's still time to change your message but unfortunately for you I've already sent my ballot paper off with a resounding NO. Still no word if the company will guarantee in writing that if we vote yes that ALL positions on the JFK shuttle will be crewed by Australian based longhaul crew?? The silence is deafening!!!!!!! Have some backbone guys >>>> AND VOTE NO
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QCC2,
can you please explain the following quote........
"JBM you failed to mention our backstabbing domestic collegues who are responsible for the london base".
How is Shorthaul responsible for the LHR base?? Nothing to do with a vote...or EBA....so i dont get it.
And DONT comeback and say that it's staffed all with S/H crew, because;
1. Thats crap. There are L/H crew up there
2. Regardless if any S/H or L/H crew went, once they had decided they were going to do the LHR base it was a happening thing.
Maybe your fantastic L/H FAAA should have looked after you abit better. Dont drag S/H into it.
can you please explain the following quote........
"JBM you failed to mention our backstabbing domestic collegues who are responsible for the london base".
How is Shorthaul responsible for the LHR base?? Nothing to do with a vote...or EBA....so i dont get it.
And DONT comeback and say that it's staffed all with S/H crew, because;
1. Thats crap. There are L/H crew up there
2. Regardless if any S/H or L/H crew went, once they had decided they were going to do the LHR base it was a happening thing.
Maybe your fantastic L/H FAAA should have looked after you abit better. Dont drag S/H into it.
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CONFLICT OF CONSCIENCE
..............seems to me the 3 Amigo's don't practice what they once preached ????!!!! ( Feb 2003)
Kylie and his band of Visitor "chumps" must be cacking themselves at the infighting thats taking place at the moment S/H vs L/H , L/H vs LHR base, L/H -Yes vs L/H -No.
All this factionalism ...............you couldn't write a better script for Management to crush all resistance.
As stated previously I and many, many of my colleagues will be /have voted NO for this FAAA sponsored "capitulation".What happened to all the bravado that MM once had when first elected.??
Now HE is the one with a "conflict of conscience " on this issue. He has caved in to the QF "spin team". Its no coincidence that all this fear around Jet * is hovering ..................to spook the masses in voting YES.
I reckon its like the old management theory of the lead buffalo running toward a chasm in the mid US followed by a herd of other buffalos( read lemmings)
I'm voting NO....................I have had enough of their ( QF & FAAA ) bulying , bulls--t, intimidation and thuggery !!!!!
Kylie and his band of Visitor "chumps" must be cacking themselves at the infighting thats taking place at the moment S/H vs L/H , L/H vs LHR base, L/H -Yes vs L/H -No.
All this factionalism ...............you couldn't write a better script for Management to crush all resistance.
As stated previously I and many, many of my colleagues will be /have voted NO for this FAAA sponsored "capitulation".What happened to all the bravado that MM once had when first elected.??
Now HE is the one with a "conflict of conscience " on this issue. He has caved in to the QF "spin team". Its no coincidence that all this fear around Jet * is hovering ..................to spook the masses in voting YES.
I reckon its like the old management theory of the lead buffalo running toward a chasm in the mid US followed by a herd of other buffalos( read lemmings)
I'm voting NO....................I have had enough of their ( QF & FAAA ) bulying , bulls--t, intimidation and thuggery !!!!!
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SPOT ON !!
Well said Wed Webbing Woop (Hard to say after a couple of beers!) Totally agree with your sentiments. The slap in the face from the company by putting AKL based crew on the JFKs BEFORE our vote is insulting and should be enough for any sane person to VOTE NO.
Poor Eden 99 wasted an NZ day trip convincing the crew to vote yes. Someone should tell him/her that AKL based crew are'nt eligible to vote!! I'm also back from a trip and of fifteen crew, twelve NO, one considering yes and two undecided. With those two angry at the Kiwis being put on the JFKs BEFORE the vote I expect they will also do the right thing as we all should >>>> AND VOTE NO.
Poor Eden 99 wasted an NZ day trip convincing the crew to vote yes. Someone should tell him/her that AKL based crew are'nt eligible to vote!! I'm also back from a trip and of fifteen crew, twelve NO, one considering yes and two undecided. With those two angry at the Kiwis being put on the JFKs BEFORE the vote I expect they will also do the right thing as we all should >>>> AND VOTE NO.
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Trembling
The Qantas management must be trembling in their boots at the prospect of their Cabin Crew voting NO to the JFK dispensation.
Silly me....I keep forgetting ...this is 1965.
Unions have all the power and companies have none.
What happens IF the no vote gets up?
Absolutely nothing.
The reason the Kiwis are on these patterns is because of the Nothern Winter.
They have no hours limitations.
If the weather sets in in JFK(which it does often)you could be looking at 20 + hours of duty.
This 1965...... repeat..... this is 1965.....this is 1965
Silly me....I keep forgetting ...this is 1965.
Unions have all the power and companies have none.
What happens IF the no vote gets up?
Absolutely nothing.
The reason the Kiwis are on these patterns is because of the Nothern Winter.
They have no hours limitations.
If the weather sets in in JFK(which it does often)you could be looking at 20 + hours of duty.
This 1965...... repeat..... this is 1965.....this is 1965
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Vote "NO"
Have just sent in a NO Vote. However, regardless how the vote goes, the outcome will be ignored by Qantas. Unless the Management can achieve a bonus for themselves, they are not interested. How much is this ballot costing the FAAA? GD must be smiling to himself as the FAAA throw more money away while trying to piss in the corner of a round room. The ballot is too little too late. Unfortunately the "horse has bolted" syndrome has once again taken hold of the proceedings.
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Memory Loss?
Poor Surfside thinks this is 1965? Have you sought professional help? In 65 crew were sitting on their jump seats outside the toilets to eat their crew meals. Of course that's not happening in 2005 is it? I could have sworn it happened to us last week on a PER trip when our seats were sold. It was good union work that was rewarded with crew rest conditions. Don't throw in the towel and surrender!!
What happens if the yes vote gets up? Absolutely nothing!! The Kiwis will still be on the JFKs with no guarantee from the company that Australian based crew will solely operate them. Where's the guarantee ....... in writing from the company? A yes vote may also see us end up doing day trips to Asian ports of similar hours to the JFKs. Watch and think before you leap >>>> AND VOTE NO !!!
Off to the beach now......surf's up!! This is definitely 2005.
What happens if the yes vote gets up? Absolutely nothing!! The Kiwis will still be on the JFKs with no guarantee from the company that Australian based crew will solely operate them. Where's the guarantee ....... in writing from the company? A yes vote may also see us end up doing day trips to Asian ports of similar hours to the JFKs. Watch and think before you leap >>>> AND VOTE NO !!!
Off to the beach now......surf's up!! This is definitely 2005.
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The AKL crew have replaced Australian crew irrespective of the temporary dispensation because the company had no intention of keeping us there.
The other reason is that the cabin crew department is having to answer questions as to the huge amount of overtime and long range allowance being paid to cabin crew
This is actually more than the cost of the rooms in New York...The flight time is well over the 15 hours that the faaa has told you..more lies from the faaa
The dispensation is a sham as are the twisted lies of Ben Dover and the rest of the faaa...
The faaa also did not send out the ballot from the Australian Electoral Commission because then they would not have been able to put their propaganda and lies in with the ballot form and the faaa would have no control over the counting of the votes...
The ballot form itself is false advertising, the hours are not just 1 hour over the usual 14 they are well in excess!!!!!
I am tired of the lies, twisted truths and omissions of the faaa .If the faaa were correct they would not have to behave this way and that is why I am suspicious of them and cannot believe anything that they tell us…
The mythical fatigue study is a prime example.!!!
Faaa what will you give away next...our slipping formula..our overtime...Whats next????
VOTE NO
The other reason is that the cabin crew department is having to answer questions as to the huge amount of overtime and long range allowance being paid to cabin crew
This is actually more than the cost of the rooms in New York...The flight time is well over the 15 hours that the faaa has told you..more lies from the faaa
The dispensation is a sham as are the twisted lies of Ben Dover and the rest of the faaa...
The faaa also did not send out the ballot from the Australian Electoral Commission because then they would not have been able to put their propaganda and lies in with the ballot form and the faaa would have no control over the counting of the votes...
The ballot form itself is false advertising, the hours are not just 1 hour over the usual 14 they are well in excess!!!!!
I am tired of the lies, twisted truths and omissions of the faaa .If the faaa were correct they would not have to behave this way and that is why I am suspicious of them and cannot believe anything that they tell us…
The mythical fatigue study is a prime example.!!!
Faaa what will you give away next...our slipping formula..our overtime...Whats next????
VOTE NO
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Career Change...
Maybe you guys would be happier working in the public service?
Give me your addresses and I will send you a years subscription of the Readers Digest.
I am told it is fascinating reading for those who wish to remain uninformed and misinformed.
Give me your addresses and I will send you a years subscription of the Readers Digest.
I am told it is fascinating reading for those who wish to remain uninformed and misinformed.
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No Career Change......Yet!!
No thanks surfside6 no career change very happy in the job but I will not sell out my fellow work colleagues or myself by voting yes particularly after the company's insult of putting Kiwis on the JFKs before we have even voted. It shows just how much respect thay have for us and the FAAA !!! Along with the new IR laws a yes vote could see us all down at the beach surfing whilst on permanent leave. As some here have stated I would want guarantees from the company --- in writing--- before even considering voting yes.
Without those guarantees make a stand AND VOTE NO
What's wrong with the Readers Digest? A few months ago I was in the Dentists surgery reading a fascinating article on why Hitler won't invade Poland ------ and in any case they're considering printing two of my jokes ---- if you don't understand then see the movie Good Morning Vietnam ---- then we could get together and play some Tennessee Ernie Ford records ---- That'd be a hoot!!!
Without those guarantees make a stand AND VOTE NO
What's wrong with the Readers Digest? A few months ago I was in the Dentists surgery reading a fascinating article on why Hitler won't invade Poland ------ and in any case they're considering printing two of my jokes ---- if you don't understand then see the movie Good Morning Vietnam ---- then we could get together and play some Tennessee Ernie Ford records ---- That'd be a hoot!!!