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JFK DISPENSATION
Pro Golfer 69 you give me reassurance that most of the crew in Long Haul are actually sensible.
The vote will be resoundingly YES, as you predict, because apart from a tiny out of touch minority whose ravings would lead to a utter disaster for our crew, most crew understand the message from the FAAA leadership.
That message is a simple 1 really. No one likes the behaviour of the senior management of Qantas, but the JFK vote is not about registering our dislike for Qantas , its management or its policies.
Crew are being asked by our elected FAAA leadership, are they willing to address the realities that confront the L/H Division to ensure further international work is not taken away from us and given to others.
A NO vote will be signalling to Qantas that L/H crew are totally inflexible and that WILL be the trigger for substantial compulsory job losses in L/H.
Only fools or those with a death wish would be suggesting that we should encourage the Company to further transfer our work to S/H, Australian Airlines or Jetstar International which will be announced tomorrow.
Most crew have large morgages and other financial commitments and families to provide for. Anyone who would seriously vote NO on the JFK issue will not be damaging or hurting QF in any manner. The only person they will hurt will be themselves.
Furthermore, if forced redundancy comes about because of our crew refusing to be adaptable and flexible, those who think they are immune better think again. There seems to be this mistaken belief that "senior" crew would not be affected by compulsory redundancy. The new industrial laws probably mean that QF will have the ability to pick heads and therefore no -one should fee relaxed and safe.
Our EBA has only an in-principle last on first off clause in relation to compulsory redundancy. This has never been tested though.
Crew failed to listen to Michael Mijatov and Andrew Smedley when they told us to vote against EBA6 in 2003. Lets hope everyone has learnt that lesson and that the recommendation of Mijatov, Smedley, Reed and the entire FAAA Divisional Executive is listen to this time.
The seriousness of the situation in L/H has not sunk in yet with some looney elements of our membership, hopefully however, the majority are intelligent enough to protect their jobs, their incomes and their families and that requires a YES vote.
The vote will be resoundingly YES, as you predict, because apart from a tiny out of touch minority whose ravings would lead to a utter disaster for our crew, most crew understand the message from the FAAA leadership.
That message is a simple 1 really. No one likes the behaviour of the senior management of Qantas, but the JFK vote is not about registering our dislike for Qantas , its management or its policies.
Crew are being asked by our elected FAAA leadership, are they willing to address the realities that confront the L/H Division to ensure further international work is not taken away from us and given to others.
A NO vote will be signalling to Qantas that L/H crew are totally inflexible and that WILL be the trigger for substantial compulsory job losses in L/H.
Only fools or those with a death wish would be suggesting that we should encourage the Company to further transfer our work to S/H, Australian Airlines or Jetstar International which will be announced tomorrow.
Most crew have large morgages and other financial commitments and families to provide for. Anyone who would seriously vote NO on the JFK issue will not be damaging or hurting QF in any manner. The only person they will hurt will be themselves.
Furthermore, if forced redundancy comes about because of our crew refusing to be adaptable and flexible, those who think they are immune better think again. There seems to be this mistaken belief that "senior" crew would not be affected by compulsory redundancy. The new industrial laws probably mean that QF will have the ability to pick heads and therefore no -one should fee relaxed and safe.
Our EBA has only an in-principle last on first off clause in relation to compulsory redundancy. This has never been tested though.
Crew failed to listen to Michael Mijatov and Andrew Smedley when they told us to vote against EBA6 in 2003. Lets hope everyone has learnt that lesson and that the recommendation of Mijatov, Smedley, Reed and the entire FAAA Divisional Executive is listen to this time.
The seriousness of the situation in L/H has not sunk in yet with some looney elements of our membership, hopefully however, the majority are intelligent enough to protect their jobs, their incomes and their families and that requires a YES vote.
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scare campaign
i must say the ongoing scare campaign by the three sisters is extremely insulting.
" A NO vote will be signalling to Qantas that L/H crew are totally inflexible and that WILL be the trigger for substantial compulsory job losses in L/H."
LH crew have always been flexible and the faaa rolles over on any bad patterns that are been rejected by shorthaul( syd-adl-arw-sin return comes to mind). as mentioned here by some collegues the three sisters should produce to the membership the letter from the fatigue expert or at least name him so the members can do their own investigations. is it going to happen? of course not. sitting on A$ 110000.- + grand in the office and delivering nothing more then company inspired scare campaigns.
" A NO vote will be signalling to Qantas that L/H crew are totally inflexible and that WILL be the trigger for substantial compulsory job losses in L/H."
LH crew have always been flexible and the faaa rolles over on any bad patterns that are been rejected by shorthaul( syd-adl-arw-sin return comes to mind). as mentioned here by some collegues the three sisters should produce to the membership the letter from the fatigue expert or at least name him so the members can do their own investigations. is it going to happen? of course not. sitting on A$ 110000.- + grand in the office and delivering nothing more then company inspired scare campaigns.
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qcc2 ,
I agree ,the L/H cabin crew are hardly a militant union yet the faaa wants us to bend over (voting all the way as pro golfer said he would do)with every opportunity.
Just scare tactics over and over and over again...
VOTE NO
I agree ,the L/H cabin crew are hardly a militant union yet the faaa wants us to bend over (voting all the way as pro golfer said he would do)with every opportunity.
Just scare tactics over and over and over again...
VOTE NO
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This gaurdian bloke has to be one of the three sisters. And I think I can guess which one!
Anyhow guardian let me point out one big fat flaw in your scaremongering. You say that a NO vote may lead to job loses through compulsory redundncy...
Well I have news for you, it would never get to compulsory redundancy as the queue for voluntary (compulsory) redundancy is bigger than a U2 concert.
And I am at the front.
Stop scaremongering. It's childish and false.
Bring on the NO vote!
Anyhow guardian let me point out one big fat flaw in your scaremongering. You say that a NO vote may lead to job loses through compulsory redundncy...
Well I have news for you, it would never get to compulsory redundancy as the queue for voluntary (compulsory) redundancy is bigger than a U2 concert.
And I am at the front.
Stop scaremongering. It's childish and false.
Bring on the NO vote!
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Qantas holds off on fleet purchase
Steve Creedy, Aviation writer
December 08, 2005
QANTAS is believed to have ended a marathon board meeting yesterday without finalising its $15-20 billion fleet plans.
Late revisions by manufacturers Boeing and Airbus reportedly left the board unable to sign off on a deal yesterday, and an announcement was believed to be imminent.
The campaign to secure the Qantas business has been described as the closest fought in the airline's history and is attracting interest from around the world.
The order adds to the $18 billion that Qantas is already spending on fleet modernisation (up to the year 2010) and will be funded out of operating cash flow.
Qantas is keen to secure "hub-busting aircraft" that will allow it to operate non-stop flights on long routes to Europe and the US, possibly including the holy grail of London-Sydney.
At the same time, it needs the smaller, fuel-efficient new aircraft to keep costs down on international routes and to remain competitive.
The fight to get into Qantas books sees Boeing's ultra-long-range 777-200LR pitted against Airbus's A340-500 and the fuel-efficient A350 squaring up to Boeing's 787 Dreamliner.
Some Qantas insiders believe that Boeing will get the lion's share of the order, but concede it is also possible the airline will opt for planes from both manufacturers, much as it did with its $18 billion order in 2000.
The fleet decision is closely linked to the airline's plans to take its low-cost offshoot, Jetstar, international.
Although a Qantas spokeswoman was unable to comment on the Jetstar proposal, the board is likely to have given the concept the green light.
Jetstar International could ultimately account for as much as 20 per cent of the Qantas Group's international flying, according to Qantas chief executive Geoff Dixon.
The two-class carrier would be the world's first global low-cost carrier, aiming at international routes within 10 hours of Australia that are not viable for the mainline operation.
Qantas would like to start operating the new airline to leisure destinations - as well as on routes from which Qantas itself has withdrawn in recent years - by the end of next year.
Over the new fleet, one school of thought is that Qantas may decide between the A350 and the 787 to safeguard available manufacturing slots, but deferring a decision on the bigger aircraft.
The 787, due to enter service in 2008, and the A350, scheduled to start flying in 2010, have both been attracting keen interest from airlines wanting to cut operating costs.
One essential option being looked at are cup holders for the techies !!!
Steve Creedy, Aviation writer
December 08, 2005
QANTAS is believed to have ended a marathon board meeting yesterday without finalising its $15-20 billion fleet plans.
Late revisions by manufacturers Boeing and Airbus reportedly left the board unable to sign off on a deal yesterday, and an announcement was believed to be imminent.
The campaign to secure the Qantas business has been described as the closest fought in the airline's history and is attracting interest from around the world.
The order adds to the $18 billion that Qantas is already spending on fleet modernisation (up to the year 2010) and will be funded out of operating cash flow.
Qantas is keen to secure "hub-busting aircraft" that will allow it to operate non-stop flights on long routes to Europe and the US, possibly including the holy grail of London-Sydney.
At the same time, it needs the smaller, fuel-efficient new aircraft to keep costs down on international routes and to remain competitive.
The fight to get into Qantas books sees Boeing's ultra-long-range 777-200LR pitted against Airbus's A340-500 and the fuel-efficient A350 squaring up to Boeing's 787 Dreamliner.
Some Qantas insiders believe that Boeing will get the lion's share of the order, but concede it is also possible the airline will opt for planes from both manufacturers, much as it did with its $18 billion order in 2000.
The fleet decision is closely linked to the airline's plans to take its low-cost offshoot, Jetstar, international.
Although a Qantas spokeswoman was unable to comment on the Jetstar proposal, the board is likely to have given the concept the green light.
Jetstar International could ultimately account for as much as 20 per cent of the Qantas Group's international flying, according to Qantas chief executive Geoff Dixon.
The two-class carrier would be the world's first global low-cost carrier, aiming at international routes within 10 hours of Australia that are not viable for the mainline operation.
Qantas would like to start operating the new airline to leisure destinations - as well as on routes from which Qantas itself has withdrawn in recent years - by the end of next year.
Over the new fleet, one school of thought is that Qantas may decide between the A350 and the 787 to safeguard available manufacturing slots, but deferring a decision on the bigger aircraft.
The 787, due to enter service in 2008, and the A350, scheduled to start flying in 2010, have both been attracting keen interest from airlines wanting to cut operating costs.
One essential option being looked at are cup holders for the techies !!!
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Of major concern now is the fact that it has just been announced Jetstar International will start in just over 12 months time with 10 A/C, growing to 60 in total (including the 25 or so domestic 320's) within 5 years.
All routes will initially be within 6 to 10 hours of Australia, and Australian Airlines will remain with its own identity. It will also be doing European services both to existing and new destinations.
It seems the days of Qantas mainline are numbered now. The board meets next Wednesday again to further consider fleet options.
Wonder if we will be forced to transfer to Jetstar under the new IR legislation?
All routes will initially be within 6 to 10 hours of Australia, and Australian Airlines will remain with its own identity. It will also be doing European services both to existing and new destinations.
It seems the days of Qantas mainline are numbered now. The board meets next Wednesday again to further consider fleet options.
Wonder if we will be forced to transfer to Jetstar under the new IR legislation?
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From www.qantas.com.au
Jetstar to Fly Long Haul International Services Latest News
Sydney, 08 December 2005
The Board of Qantas Airways yesterday approved the establishment of a new long haul value based airline under the Jetstar brand.
The Chief Executive Officer of Qantas, Mr Geoff Dixon, said Jetstar would commence its international operations no later than January 2007.
Mr Dixon said the Qantas Board had also called a special meeting for Wednesday, 14 December, to further consider its long term fleet plan.
"This meeting is expected to discuss and approve major aircraft purchases, including the new aircraft for Jetstar's international operations," he said.
Mr Dixon said Jetstar's initial route structure would require 10 aircraft and would involve point-to-point routes between Australia and Asian and Pacific cities.
"Subsequent expansion will see Jetstar undertake two-stage flying to European and other destinations.
"At all times Jetstar's international services will complement Qantas' mainline international operations, with an emphasis on inbound and outbound leisure routes," he said.
Mr Dixon said Qantas expected that, within five years, the Jetstar Group would be operating a fleet of 60 narrow and wide body aircraft across its domestic and international network.
"However, this expansion will not be in any way at the expense of the Qantas full service domestic and international operations.
"Our aim for the Group is to expand in our traditional markets with Qantas and to expand in new markets with the most suitable product, be it Qantas or Jetstar.
"The Qantas mainline operations are and will remain our primary focus," he said.
Mr Dixon said Jetstar's international operations would be based in Melbourne under Jetstar's existing Australian management, with Alan Joyce as Chief Executive Officer.
"This move will create an additional 50 jobs immediately through the extension of the airline's head office in Melbourne. Hundreds of additional jobs will be created within Australia in the first three years of its operation," he said.
Mr Dixon said Jetstar would immediately commence the process of upgrading its Air Operator Certificate to operate wide bodied jet aircraft.
"We believe Jetstar will deliver the lowest cost air operations of any international carrier operating to Australia, similar to our experience with Jetstar's Australian operations."
Mr Dixon said Jetstar's international launch network would focus on destinations within six to 10 hours of Australia.
"Jetstar will have opportunities to fly to destinations already served by Qantas mainline, but from alternative Australian ports to the current Qantas services.
"We expect to make an announcement about initial routes in mid-2006."
Mr Dixon said Jetstar was on track to operate with its full Airbus A320 fleet of 23 aircraft for Australian domestic and trans-Tasman operations by mid-2006.
"Jetstar will also continue to look for opportunities to expand further in the Australian domestic and New Zealand markets," he said.
Mr Dixon said that as well as complementing Qantas' mainline operations, Jetstar would work closely with Jetstar Asia on opportunities in the intra-Asia market.
He said Australian Airlines would continue to supplement Qantas' mainline operations, principally on inbound and leisure markets.
Alan Joyce said Jetstar would offer two classes of travel on its international operations - Economy Class and StarClass (premium economy).
He said Jetstar's international product would feature:
* assigned seating with online seat selection at jetstar.com;
* baggage interlining for international connections on selected airlines, in line with Jetstar's trans-Tasman product;
* an expanded range of meals and snacks, including hot meals and local cuisine, which would be complimentary in StarClass and available for purchase on board or pre-purchase via jetstar.com in Economy Class;
* video on demand;
* the ability to earn Frequent Flyer points and Status Credit points on Jetflex and StarClass fares;
* a Qantas codeshare arrangement on all flights, giving Qantas Frequent Flyers the ability to redeem award points on Jetstar flights; and
* access to Qantas Club lounges for Qantas Club members.
"The StarClass product will offer a seat similar to Qantas Domestic Business Class and a range of other benefits such as higher baggage allowances and priority boarding," Mr Joyce said.
"Customers appreciate extra levels of comfort and space for longer haul flights, so we believe StarClass will offer a valuable option for Jetstar's international travellers."
Mr Joyce said Jetstar's long haul services would offer a real growth opportunity for the Australian tourism industry.
"We will be working closely with Tourism Australia and state tourism organisations to promote Australia in our new overseas markets," he said.
Issued by Qantas Corporate Communication (3367)
Email: [email protected]
From www.ninemsn.com.au
Jetstar to start international services
Thursday Dec 8 10:34 AEDT
Low cost carrier Jetstar will commence long-haul international services no later than January 2007, parent airline Qantas has announced.
Qantas chief executive Geoff Dixon said Jetstar's initial route structure would require 10 aircraft and would involve point-to-point routes between Australia and Asian and Pacific cities.
"Subsequent expansion will see Jetstar undertake two-stage flying to European and other destinations," he said.
"At all times Jetstar's international services will complement Qantas' mainline international operations, with an emphasis on inbound and outbound leisure routes."
Mr Dixon said Jetstar's international operations would be based in Melbourne under Jetstar's existing Australian management, with Alan Joyce as chief executive.
"This move will create an additional 50 jobs immediately through the extension of the airline's head office in Melbourne," he said.
"Hundreds of additional jobs will be created within Australia within the first three years of operation."
Mr Dixon said Jetstar's international launch would focus on destinations within six to 10 hours of Australia.
"Jetstar will have opportunities to fly to destinations already served by Qantas mainline, but from alternative Australian ports to the current Qantas services," he said.
"We expect to make an announcement about initial routes in mid-2006."
Jetstar will offer two classes of travel on its international operations, Economy Class and StarClass, or premium economy.
Qantas expects that Jetstar will be operating a fleet of 60 narrow and wide body aircraft across its domestic and international network within five years.
The airline is also on track to operate its full Airbus A320 fleet of 23 aircraft for Australian domestic and trans-Tasman operations by mid-2006.
Mr Dixon said Jetstar would continue to look for opportunities to expand further in the Australian and domestic New Zealand markets.
The low-cost airline would also work closely with Jetstar Asia on opportunities in the intra-Asia market, he added.
However, Mr Dixon said the Qantas mainline operations would remain the group's primary focus.
"Our aim for the group is to expand within our traditional markets with Qantas and to expand in new markets with the most suitable product, be it Qantas or Jetstar," he said.
Australian Airlines would continue to supplement Qantas' mainline operations, he added.
The Qantas board will hold a special meeting on Wednesday, December 14, to further consider its long term fleet plan.
The meeting is expected to discuss and approve major aircraft purchases, including the new aircraft for Jetstar's international operations.
©AAP 2005
Jetstar to Fly Long Haul International Services Latest News
Sydney, 08 December 2005
The Board of Qantas Airways yesterday approved the establishment of a new long haul value based airline under the Jetstar brand.
The Chief Executive Officer of Qantas, Mr Geoff Dixon, said Jetstar would commence its international operations no later than January 2007.
Mr Dixon said the Qantas Board had also called a special meeting for Wednesday, 14 December, to further consider its long term fleet plan.
"This meeting is expected to discuss and approve major aircraft purchases, including the new aircraft for Jetstar's international operations," he said.
Mr Dixon said Jetstar's initial route structure would require 10 aircraft and would involve point-to-point routes between Australia and Asian and Pacific cities.
"Subsequent expansion will see Jetstar undertake two-stage flying to European and other destinations.
"At all times Jetstar's international services will complement Qantas' mainline international operations, with an emphasis on inbound and outbound leisure routes," he said.
Mr Dixon said Qantas expected that, within five years, the Jetstar Group would be operating a fleet of 60 narrow and wide body aircraft across its domestic and international network.
"However, this expansion will not be in any way at the expense of the Qantas full service domestic and international operations.
"Our aim for the Group is to expand in our traditional markets with Qantas and to expand in new markets with the most suitable product, be it Qantas or Jetstar.
"The Qantas mainline operations are and will remain our primary focus," he said.
Mr Dixon said Jetstar's international operations would be based in Melbourne under Jetstar's existing Australian management, with Alan Joyce as Chief Executive Officer.
"This move will create an additional 50 jobs immediately through the extension of the airline's head office in Melbourne. Hundreds of additional jobs will be created within Australia in the first three years of its operation," he said.
Mr Dixon said Jetstar would immediately commence the process of upgrading its Air Operator Certificate to operate wide bodied jet aircraft.
"We believe Jetstar will deliver the lowest cost air operations of any international carrier operating to Australia, similar to our experience with Jetstar's Australian operations."
Mr Dixon said Jetstar's international launch network would focus on destinations within six to 10 hours of Australia.
"Jetstar will have opportunities to fly to destinations already served by Qantas mainline, but from alternative Australian ports to the current Qantas services.
"We expect to make an announcement about initial routes in mid-2006."
Mr Dixon said Jetstar was on track to operate with its full Airbus A320 fleet of 23 aircraft for Australian domestic and trans-Tasman operations by mid-2006.
"Jetstar will also continue to look for opportunities to expand further in the Australian domestic and New Zealand markets," he said.
Mr Dixon said that as well as complementing Qantas' mainline operations, Jetstar would work closely with Jetstar Asia on opportunities in the intra-Asia market.
He said Australian Airlines would continue to supplement Qantas' mainline operations, principally on inbound and leisure markets.
Alan Joyce said Jetstar would offer two classes of travel on its international operations - Economy Class and StarClass (premium economy).
He said Jetstar's international product would feature:
* assigned seating with online seat selection at jetstar.com;
* baggage interlining for international connections on selected airlines, in line with Jetstar's trans-Tasman product;
* an expanded range of meals and snacks, including hot meals and local cuisine, which would be complimentary in StarClass and available for purchase on board or pre-purchase via jetstar.com in Economy Class;
* video on demand;
* the ability to earn Frequent Flyer points and Status Credit points on Jetflex and StarClass fares;
* a Qantas codeshare arrangement on all flights, giving Qantas Frequent Flyers the ability to redeem award points on Jetstar flights; and
* access to Qantas Club lounges for Qantas Club members.
"The StarClass product will offer a seat similar to Qantas Domestic Business Class and a range of other benefits such as higher baggage allowances and priority boarding," Mr Joyce said.
"Customers appreciate extra levels of comfort and space for longer haul flights, so we believe StarClass will offer a valuable option for Jetstar's international travellers."
Mr Joyce said Jetstar's long haul services would offer a real growth opportunity for the Australian tourism industry.
"We will be working closely with Tourism Australia and state tourism organisations to promote Australia in our new overseas markets," he said.
Issued by Qantas Corporate Communication (3367)
Email: [email protected]
From www.ninemsn.com.au
Jetstar to start international services
Thursday Dec 8 10:34 AEDT
Low cost carrier Jetstar will commence long-haul international services no later than January 2007, parent airline Qantas has announced.
Qantas chief executive Geoff Dixon said Jetstar's initial route structure would require 10 aircraft and would involve point-to-point routes between Australia and Asian and Pacific cities.
"Subsequent expansion will see Jetstar undertake two-stage flying to European and other destinations," he said.
"At all times Jetstar's international services will complement Qantas' mainline international operations, with an emphasis on inbound and outbound leisure routes."
Mr Dixon said Jetstar's international operations would be based in Melbourne under Jetstar's existing Australian management, with Alan Joyce as chief executive.
"This move will create an additional 50 jobs immediately through the extension of the airline's head office in Melbourne," he said.
"Hundreds of additional jobs will be created within Australia within the first three years of operation."
Mr Dixon said Jetstar's international launch would focus on destinations within six to 10 hours of Australia.
"Jetstar will have opportunities to fly to destinations already served by Qantas mainline, but from alternative Australian ports to the current Qantas services," he said.
"We expect to make an announcement about initial routes in mid-2006."
Jetstar will offer two classes of travel on its international operations, Economy Class and StarClass, or premium economy.
Qantas expects that Jetstar will be operating a fleet of 60 narrow and wide body aircraft across its domestic and international network within five years.
The airline is also on track to operate its full Airbus A320 fleet of 23 aircraft for Australian domestic and trans-Tasman operations by mid-2006.
Mr Dixon said Jetstar would continue to look for opportunities to expand further in the Australian and domestic New Zealand markets.
The low-cost airline would also work closely with Jetstar Asia on opportunities in the intra-Asia market, he added.
However, Mr Dixon said the Qantas mainline operations would remain the group's primary focus.
"Our aim for the group is to expand within our traditional markets with Qantas and to expand in new markets with the most suitable product, be it Qantas or Jetstar," he said.
Australian Airlines would continue to supplement Qantas' mainline operations, he added.
The Qantas board will hold a special meeting on Wednesday, December 14, to further consider its long term fleet plan.
The meeting is expected to discuss and approve major aircraft purchases, including the new aircraft for Jetstar's international operations.
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I highly doubt the price will be that much cheaper but they expect pax's to pay for food in Y class on long haul flights. I personally would just find another carrier and pay the few extra $$. The price would have to be substantially cheaper to attract people.
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VOTE NO …..
Pro golfer or should we call you Nostradamus,
Quote “As I predicted months ago”
Maybe you should play golf instead of flying but then if the faaa looks after us you will have a lot of time to play golf… and you didn’t understand my “Me Myself and Irene” analogy either did you ?
So you are telling us that JFK shuttles are hard to get with crew of seniority numbers greater than 4000..you must be a lot more junior than I thought!!!!!
Usually the CSM and CSS are the only ones to be senior but the flights I looked at were not higher than 600 to 800 and some over 1000. If you call these senior, you will never make a rocket scientist….again I think you should stick to golf
Now to Guardian1 or should I say Ben Dover….
In over 300 words you still did not answer one question, you just continue on with your usual mind-numbing invective with doom and gloom but this time you scraped the bottom of the barrel with your grim reaper ideology mentioning CR and a death wish….you should be teaching drama instead of being a union official...
I am beginning to think that the current leadership of the FAAA believes it stands for Flat earth And neanderthals Association of Australia and not for the cabin crew it supposedly represents...
As usual, you never mention the facts or answer questions...
1:Where is the documentation on the mythical fatigue report ???
2:Why does the company want a dispensation when they can replace us without one on the shuttle at any time legally ???
3:What about the 6 crew members replaced with AKL crew even with the so called temporary dispensation…?
4:Why has your dispensation failed to protect these 6 Australian jobs with more inevitably to come if we cave in and grant permanent dispensation ???
5: Is it true that you are having white flags made for us to wave at union meetings ???
These are just a few questions to be answered but I doubt we will ever get a response from you…..just the usual “sky is falling routine”
I have never said we should be inflexible especially in the aviation business but you are being more than flexible, you are double jointed and bending over backwards to give everything we have to the company with no compromise on their part.
They have done us over on the slips in LHR ,SIN(end of FRA trips) , closure of Perth Base(you won a lot of friends with that one) and the latest is the sale of crew seats.
What will you want to give them next ,our home transport , our one one two slipping pattern ?
If we listen to you ,we will have to pay to go to work !!!
The company looks at your management of the faaa as being totally subservient and acquiescent .In other words they don’t need the new IR laws ,they have you.
If we give in and follow the faaa’s recommendation the company won’t need any other bases in the third world, we will be one as far as working conditions and remuneration are concerned…
Any Long Haul crew reading this ,think about the facts and not the chicken little or Grim Reaper tactics of the faaa
…VOTE NO…..
Pro golfer or should we call you Nostradamus,
Quote “As I predicted months ago”
Maybe you should play golf instead of flying but then if the faaa looks after us you will have a lot of time to play golf… and you didn’t understand my “Me Myself and Irene” analogy either did you ?
So you are telling us that JFK shuttles are hard to get with crew of seniority numbers greater than 4000..you must be a lot more junior than I thought!!!!!
Usually the CSM and CSS are the only ones to be senior but the flights I looked at were not higher than 600 to 800 and some over 1000. If you call these senior, you will never make a rocket scientist….again I think you should stick to golf
Now to Guardian1 or should I say Ben Dover….
In over 300 words you still did not answer one question, you just continue on with your usual mind-numbing invective with doom and gloom but this time you scraped the bottom of the barrel with your grim reaper ideology mentioning CR and a death wish….you should be teaching drama instead of being a union official...
I am beginning to think that the current leadership of the FAAA believes it stands for Flat earth And neanderthals Association of Australia and not for the cabin crew it supposedly represents...
As usual, you never mention the facts or answer questions...
1:Where is the documentation on the mythical fatigue report ???
2:Why does the company want a dispensation when they can replace us without one on the shuttle at any time legally ???
3:What about the 6 crew members replaced with AKL crew even with the so called temporary dispensation…?
4:Why has your dispensation failed to protect these 6 Australian jobs with more inevitably to come if we cave in and grant permanent dispensation ???
5: Is it true that you are having white flags made for us to wave at union meetings ???
These are just a few questions to be answered but I doubt we will ever get a response from you…..just the usual “sky is falling routine”
I have never said we should be inflexible especially in the aviation business but you are being more than flexible, you are double jointed and bending over backwards to give everything we have to the company with no compromise on their part.
They have done us over on the slips in LHR ,SIN(end of FRA trips) , closure of Perth Base(you won a lot of friends with that one) and the latest is the sale of crew seats.
What will you want to give them next ,our home transport , our one one two slipping pattern ?
If we listen to you ,we will have to pay to go to work !!!
The company looks at your management of the faaa as being totally subservient and acquiescent .In other words they don’t need the new IR laws ,they have you.
If we give in and follow the faaa’s recommendation the company won’t need any other bases in the third world, we will be one as far as working conditions and remuneration are concerned…
Any Long Haul crew reading this ,think about the facts and not the chicken little or Grim Reaper tactics of the faaa
…VOTE NO…..
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The FAAA have made it clear, anyone that wants to read the whole faitugue report that runs to 20 or so pages can see it at the FAAA office at any time.
But of course thats not what you wanted to hear lower lobe... and of course you would rather spread bull**** than go and read it yourself as many of your colleagues have.
The Dispensation just keeps jobs in the long Haul bases in australia. Can they use Kiwis and will they??? Possibly but i for one will not make it easy for them to give away my LA flights because that's what will happen.
The only thing i would say about the closeure of the Perth base is this....if you wanted a better example of what will happen to the rest of the long haul bases unless we show a little more flexibility then look at perth.
I for one have voted Yes and know that all the crew that want a job will be doing the same.
As far as redundancy is concerned the new IR laws allow the company to pick the heads and dont guarantee a right to voluntary and also you get 8 weeks pay.
Lets see lowerlobe queuing up for that
But of course thats not what you wanted to hear lower lobe... and of course you would rather spread bull**** than go and read it yourself as many of your colleagues have.
The Dispensation just keeps jobs in the long Haul bases in australia. Can they use Kiwis and will they??? Possibly but i for one will not make it easy for them to give away my LA flights because that's what will happen.
The only thing i would say about the closeure of the Perth base is this....if you wanted a better example of what will happen to the rest of the long haul bases unless we show a little more flexibility then look at perth.
I for one have voted Yes and know that all the crew that want a job will be doing the same.
As far as redundancy is concerned the new IR laws allow the company to pick the heads and dont guarantee a right to voluntary and also you get 8 weeks pay.
Lets see lowerlobe queuing up for that
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This is a good example of the contrived BS that the faaa continually puts out..
Pegasus..will you show the people reading pprune the faaa newsletter that shows or tells us that it is clear that we can see the mythical fatigue report in the office or anywhere for that matter
This is about as clear as mud as is the rest of the faaa argument
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Pegasus..will you show the people reading pprune the faaa newsletter that shows or tells us that it is clear that we can see the mythical fatigue report in the office or anywhere for that matter
This is about as clear as mud as is the rest of the faaa argument
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this is my last response to you lowerlobe coz i have just worked out who you are and am not going to entertain someone who has done so little for flight attendants.
And to the others that are reading this you dont need a newsletter you just pick up the phone and do what i did and go in and read it.
CALL the FAAA and they will show it to you...The reason that they didnt publish it is that in fact there is some stuff in it that could potentially be very damaging to us and dispells some of the Mythology that is spread.
And this is written by Dr Drew Dawson one of the worlds leading expertys in work related fatigue
I cant continue to read this column any longer coz it depresses me to realise that people in here are previous officials masquerading as concerned flight attendants..
These are the very ppl responsible for most of the damage we are dealing with now
And to the others that are reading this you dont need a newsletter you just pick up the phone and do what i did and go in and read it.
CALL the FAAA and they will show it to you...The reason that they didnt publish it is that in fact there is some stuff in it that could potentially be very damaging to us and dispells some of the Mythology that is spread.
And this is written by Dr Drew Dawson one of the worlds leading expertys in work related fatigue
I cant continue to read this column any longer coz it depresses me to realise that people in here are previous officials masquerading as concerned flight attendants..
These are the very ppl responsible for most of the damage we are dealing with now
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Oh Dear!
You were at the back of the line weren’t you Lowerlobe! First it was below 1800 in seniority, now it’s below 600. Perhaps we should call you Mr Pin Head.
As I said in my previous post the fact is that these crew have the bidding power to bid for other trips!
Go play bingo down at the local bowls club; least there you’re not a danger to yourself or anyone else.
By the way I am junior and quite happy to the NY shuttles if I could get them!
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You were at the back of the line weren’t you Lowerlobe! First it was below 1800 in seniority, now it’s below 600. Perhaps we should call you Mr Pin Head.
As I said in my previous post the fact is that these crew have the bidding power to bid for other trips!
Go play bingo down at the local bowls club; least there you’re not a danger to yourself or anyone else.
By the way I am junior and quite happy to the NY shuttles if I could get them!
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FAAA NEWSLETTER
8 December 2005 ID 59-05
Attention all Qantas Long Haul Flight Attendants
WHY A YES VOTE FOR THE JFK DISPENSATION IS CRITICAL
PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU READ THIS NEWSLETTER AND TAKE TIME TO UNDERSTAND THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN IT. OUR FUTURE’S IN QANTAS WILL DEPEND ON IT.
Much of what I am about to say may be too confronting and aggressive for some of you. I am however, not going to apologise for that, because it is my responsibility as head of the FAAA to ensure that I do everything in my power to protect your jobs and to counter misleading and ill informed nonsense that is circulated by some individuals.
The FAAA is not going to accept criticism down the track that it failed to warn its members about the threat to our job security or the negative repercussions that would follow a NO vote. If crew reject the JFK dispensation and Qantas concludes its time to initiate much harsher measures to bring about the changes that it wants, then at least crew will not be able to say they were not warned.
Yesterday ballot papers began arriving at members’ home addresses regarding the JFK Shuttle Dispensation. Together with the ballot paper is a statement in support of a YES vote from the FAAA.
THE BACKGROUND
In 2003, crew had a key opportunity, to secure a fair and equitable portion of International Flying, to secure International Flying on the A330 for the Long Haul Division and to secure a strong clause limiting overseas bases which did not expire. At the time, to remind people, there was no “strike force” put in place by Qantas to deal with potential strike action by Long Haul crew. Also at that time (February 2003) the biggest stop work meeting occurred and the membership was totally behind industrial action to achieve our objectives. In other words, the ability to achieve our objectives through industrial action was at the highest possible level.
At that critical time, rather than seizing on the opportunity to achieve the necessary protections, the majority of the elected senior FAAA officials chose to recommend a highly deficient EBA6.
Andrew Smedley and I left the FAAA EBA negotiating team at that time because we believed the official FAAA recommendation to support EBA6 was flawed because the key protections outlined above were not secured.
Crew nevertheless, supported the official FAAA recommendation to adopt EBA6 by a 53% to 47% margin. The opportunities of 2003 were therefore squandered because of the lack of judgement and poor leadership by the FAAA at that time.
The rest is history. The officials who recommended EBA6 have been voted out but the legacy of EBA6 haunts us to this day. The mistakes of 2003 must not be repeated in 2005 in regard to the JFK Dispensation.
It would be a tragic irony if crew having supported a bad EBA6 which is primarily responsible for the pressures that we are all now experiencing, were to reject the JFK dispensation which is in place for one reason only and that is to protect our flying and our jobs i.e. to essentially address the repercussions of EBA6.
CURRENT SITUATION
- Qantas today announced the creation of Jetstar International. This new International Airline will have a cost base 40% lower than Long Haul.
- Substantial and increasing International Flying is being transferred to Short Haul, to Australian Airlines, to overseas based crew and now potentially to Jetstar International.
- Ever increasing pressure on Long Haul as demonstrated by the Perth Base closure.
- Substantial surplus of crew situation developing in Long Haul (reaching to about 160 by BP244).
- Likelihood of further and massive direction of Long Service leave
- The WorkChoices legislation gives the employer unparalleled options to drive down working conditions.
- There appears to be an ability under the new legislation for Qantas to transfer work to other subsidiaries like Jetstar International, for example, and possibly direct crew to Jetstar.
- Qantas management are actively engaged in further massive cost cutting and Long Haul crew are receiving close scrutiny that WILL intensify because we are the most expensive cabin crew that Qantas employs.
THE OPTIONS
1. JUST SAY NO! – (it will be alright) – Crew are entitled to decide that we as a group will reject any flexibilities asked of us by Qantas, including rejecting the JFK Dispensation. We can certainly do this but there are repercussions.
The immediate repercussion will be that further flying will be done by “others” and there are several groups of “others” that will do our flying. This in turn will mean that our jobs will not be secure. If Qantas moves to compulsory redundancies in Long Haul no one should assume that they will be safe. To be blunt, anyone rejecting the JFK Dispensation thinking that this will “hurt” Qantas ought to think again. You will be hurting yourself and your family’s security
We are in uncharted waters now, with the new industrial laws and it would be very foolish indeed to provide incentive for our employer to take more of our work away. This is no longer the 80’s and unfortunately this has not dawned on some members.
The FAAA actively warned people not to vote for this Federal Government and we were criticised by some of our members as being alarmist and using union funds for political purposes. Unfortunately, we all now have to deal with the repercussions of voting for the Howard Government and rather than trying to now blame the FAAA, people need to reflect on how they voted in the last Federal election.
2. FOLLOW THE FAAA RECOMMENDATION AND VOTE YES – We are cabin crew like you. We do not like many of Qantas’ actions like the forced long service leave, like their current stance on crew rest, like taking traditional flying and giving it to other crew who are less costly etc.
However, this is not a referendum on whether we like or dislike the actions of Qantas management, it is about whether Long Haul cabin crew are mature enough to deal with difficult realities and not allow emotional reaction to cloud good judgement.
To be blunt again, you elected us to lead and to the best of our ability act in your interests and to make decisions that will protect each and every one of you. We have fulfilled our obligations, we have told you the truth about every issue that has arisen and we have received the very best advice in relation to the issue at hand, namely the JFK issue.
We organised this ballot to see whether our members actually understand the message we are trying to covey to you. The message can be summed up simply…..WE WILL LOSE FURTHER SUBSTANTIAL INTERNATIONAL FLYING IF WE REFUSE TO ADAPT TO THE NEW INDUSTRIAL REALITIES CONFRONTING US. THIS MEANS THERE IS A REAL PROSPECT OF JOB LOSSES IN LONG HAUL IF WE REFUSE TO BE FLEXIBLE.
CONCLUSION
Some in our membership will say we are scaremongering and that the JFK Dispensation should be withdrawn.
We say we have examined this issue closely for months. It is no accident that the ballot is occurring now. We wanted to see the new industrial legislation, we wanted to see Qantas’ intentions in regard to Jetstar International and we wanted time to be able to convey the gravity of the situation confronting Long Haul.
We were not going to hold a ballot prematurely just because some people thought it was a good idea. Members have to realise and accept that the FAAA makes decisions for valid reasons and at times it is not appropriate to publicly canvas these reasons.
The strength of the FAAA is demonstrated when we are cohesive and moving in the one direction. A NO vote will signal to Qantas the following:
- The membership is all over the place on issues and hence the FAAA is to be ignored.
- Long Haul crew are dinosaurs who are not interested in protecting their flying.
- The time for dealing with long haul crew as a group with an EBA is past its utility date and the way to go will be individual contracts.
Finally, we in the FAAA have made a judgement that most of you understand the issues we raise. We had the ability to continue the JFK dispensation indefinitely as there is no requirement to hold ballots, which by their nature are not the best way for any organisation to make decisions. Imagine if on complex issues we were to put up ballots to you on each occasion – you would be drowned in paper work that in many instances would require a lawyer to understand.
Despite this, we wanted you to make this decision based on our very strong recommendation. A YES vote will signal that you want to protect your jobs and have understood that the environment requires flexibility and a sensible approach. Remember, our recommendation to you is based on the considered opinion and judgement of experienced elected officials, Industrial lawyers, the ACTU and Labor Council.
A NO vote will take the issue out of the hands of the FAAA and you will then be subject to the full Qantas agenda backed up by the industrial laws which passed yesterday.
You will be determining not only the outcome of the JFK Dispensation issue, but you will also be determining your futures within Qantas.
It is a very important decision and I ask each of you to think long and hard and wisely about the way you vote. The FAAA has confidence that you will make the right decision.
Written and authorised by Michael Mijatov - Secretary International Division
Attention all Qantas Long Haul Flight Attendants
WHY A YES VOTE FOR THE JFK DISPENSATION IS CRITICAL
PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU READ THIS NEWSLETTER AND TAKE TIME TO UNDERSTAND THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN IT. OUR FUTURE’S IN QANTAS WILL DEPEND ON IT.
Much of what I am about to say may be too confronting and aggressive for some of you. I am however, not going to apologise for that, because it is my responsibility as head of the FAAA to ensure that I do everything in my power to protect your jobs and to counter misleading and ill informed nonsense that is circulated by some individuals.
The FAAA is not going to accept criticism down the track that it failed to warn its members about the threat to our job security or the negative repercussions that would follow a NO vote. If crew reject the JFK dispensation and Qantas concludes its time to initiate much harsher measures to bring about the changes that it wants, then at least crew will not be able to say they were not warned.
Yesterday ballot papers began arriving at members’ home addresses regarding the JFK Shuttle Dispensation. Together with the ballot paper is a statement in support of a YES vote from the FAAA.
THE BACKGROUND
In 2003, crew had a key opportunity, to secure a fair and equitable portion of International Flying, to secure International Flying on the A330 for the Long Haul Division and to secure a strong clause limiting overseas bases which did not expire. At the time, to remind people, there was no “strike force” put in place by Qantas to deal with potential strike action by Long Haul crew. Also at that time (February 2003) the biggest stop work meeting occurred and the membership was totally behind industrial action to achieve our objectives. In other words, the ability to achieve our objectives through industrial action was at the highest possible level.
At that critical time, rather than seizing on the opportunity to achieve the necessary protections, the majority of the elected senior FAAA officials chose to recommend a highly deficient EBA6.
Andrew Smedley and I left the FAAA EBA negotiating team at that time because we believed the official FAAA recommendation to support EBA6 was flawed because the key protections outlined above were not secured.
Crew nevertheless, supported the official FAAA recommendation to adopt EBA6 by a 53% to 47% margin. The opportunities of 2003 were therefore squandered because of the lack of judgement and poor leadership by the FAAA at that time.
The rest is history. The officials who recommended EBA6 have been voted out but the legacy of EBA6 haunts us to this day. The mistakes of 2003 must not be repeated in 2005 in regard to the JFK Dispensation.
It would be a tragic irony if crew having supported a bad EBA6 which is primarily responsible for the pressures that we are all now experiencing, were to reject the JFK dispensation which is in place for one reason only and that is to protect our flying and our jobs i.e. to essentially address the repercussions of EBA6.
CURRENT SITUATION
- Qantas today announced the creation of Jetstar International. This new International Airline will have a cost base 40% lower than Long Haul.
- Substantial and increasing International Flying is being transferred to Short Haul, to Australian Airlines, to overseas based crew and now potentially to Jetstar International.
- Ever increasing pressure on Long Haul as demonstrated by the Perth Base closure.
- Substantial surplus of crew situation developing in Long Haul (reaching to about 160 by BP244).
- Likelihood of further and massive direction of Long Service leave
- The WorkChoices legislation gives the employer unparalleled options to drive down working conditions.
- There appears to be an ability under the new legislation for Qantas to transfer work to other subsidiaries like Jetstar International, for example, and possibly direct crew to Jetstar.
- Qantas management are actively engaged in further massive cost cutting and Long Haul crew are receiving close scrutiny that WILL intensify because we are the most expensive cabin crew that Qantas employs.
THE OPTIONS
1. JUST SAY NO! – (it will be alright) – Crew are entitled to decide that we as a group will reject any flexibilities asked of us by Qantas, including rejecting the JFK Dispensation. We can certainly do this but there are repercussions.
The immediate repercussion will be that further flying will be done by “others” and there are several groups of “others” that will do our flying. This in turn will mean that our jobs will not be secure. If Qantas moves to compulsory redundancies in Long Haul no one should assume that they will be safe. To be blunt, anyone rejecting the JFK Dispensation thinking that this will “hurt” Qantas ought to think again. You will be hurting yourself and your family’s security
We are in uncharted waters now, with the new industrial laws and it would be very foolish indeed to provide incentive for our employer to take more of our work away. This is no longer the 80’s and unfortunately this has not dawned on some members.
The FAAA actively warned people not to vote for this Federal Government and we were criticised by some of our members as being alarmist and using union funds for political purposes. Unfortunately, we all now have to deal with the repercussions of voting for the Howard Government and rather than trying to now blame the FAAA, people need to reflect on how they voted in the last Federal election.
2. FOLLOW THE FAAA RECOMMENDATION AND VOTE YES – We are cabin crew like you. We do not like many of Qantas’ actions like the forced long service leave, like their current stance on crew rest, like taking traditional flying and giving it to other crew who are less costly etc.
However, this is not a referendum on whether we like or dislike the actions of Qantas management, it is about whether Long Haul cabin crew are mature enough to deal with difficult realities and not allow emotional reaction to cloud good judgement.
To be blunt again, you elected us to lead and to the best of our ability act in your interests and to make decisions that will protect each and every one of you. We have fulfilled our obligations, we have told you the truth about every issue that has arisen and we have received the very best advice in relation to the issue at hand, namely the JFK issue.
We organised this ballot to see whether our members actually understand the message we are trying to covey to you. The message can be summed up simply…..WE WILL LOSE FURTHER SUBSTANTIAL INTERNATIONAL FLYING IF WE REFUSE TO ADAPT TO THE NEW INDUSTRIAL REALITIES CONFRONTING US. THIS MEANS THERE IS A REAL PROSPECT OF JOB LOSSES IN LONG HAUL IF WE REFUSE TO BE FLEXIBLE.
CONCLUSION
Some in our membership will say we are scaremongering and that the JFK Dispensation should be withdrawn.
We say we have examined this issue closely for months. It is no accident that the ballot is occurring now. We wanted to see the new industrial legislation, we wanted to see Qantas’ intentions in regard to Jetstar International and we wanted time to be able to convey the gravity of the situation confronting Long Haul.
We were not going to hold a ballot prematurely just because some people thought it was a good idea. Members have to realise and accept that the FAAA makes decisions for valid reasons and at times it is not appropriate to publicly canvas these reasons.
The strength of the FAAA is demonstrated when we are cohesive and moving in the one direction. A NO vote will signal to Qantas the following:
- The membership is all over the place on issues and hence the FAAA is to be ignored.
- Long Haul crew are dinosaurs who are not interested in protecting their flying.
- The time for dealing with long haul crew as a group with an EBA is past its utility date and the way to go will be individual contracts.
Finally, we in the FAAA have made a judgement that most of you understand the issues we raise. We had the ability to continue the JFK dispensation indefinitely as there is no requirement to hold ballots, which by their nature are not the best way for any organisation to make decisions. Imagine if on complex issues we were to put up ballots to you on each occasion – you would be drowned in paper work that in many instances would require a lawyer to understand.
Despite this, we wanted you to make this decision based on our very strong recommendation. A YES vote will signal that you want to protect your jobs and have understood that the environment requires flexibility and a sensible approach. Remember, our recommendation to you is based on the considered opinion and judgement of experienced elected officials, Industrial lawyers, the ACTU and Labor Council.
A NO vote will take the issue out of the hands of the FAAA and you will then be subject to the full Qantas agenda backed up by the industrial laws which passed yesterday.
You will be determining not only the outcome of the JFK Dispensation issue, but you will also be determining your futures within Qantas.
It is a very important decision and I ask each of you to think long and hard and wisely about the way you vote. The FAAA has confidence that you will make the right decision.
Written and authorised by Michael Mijatov - Secretary International Division
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surely not a personal mate of GD but you have to read what they put out.QF mainline is far too important to have it canabalised by jetstar domestic, internationa, asia and australian airlines. and none of them have first or business class. yes they are going to fly "thinner routes" and places like honolulu, rome, korea, most likely manila. however qf domestic and longhaul will see an increase in destinations and frequencies. also there are going to be schedule changes announced very soon.
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JFK Dispensation
SOLD OUT ---- VOTE NO ! ! !
Have just received the ballot paper for the JFK dispensation and surprise surprise it's to be returned to the FAAA and not the Electoral Commission as voting should always be and begs the question why was'nt it included with the councillors vote we received less than two weeks ago?? Robert Mugabe would be proud of you MM. It's like putting Dracula in charge of the blood bank. Anyone who saw an agitated Michael Mijatov, along with Steven Reed, at an FAAA EBA meeting under the previous leadership at the St George Rower's Club on the 26th of March 2003, berating that leadership ----- and the company !!! ---- would be stunned and appalled, as I most certainly am, at the complete turnaround of these guy's who have gone from thumping the desks to hand in hand with GD. What happened to that fighting spirit MM that you displayed at the Rower's Club? Someone mentioned earlier about British PM Chamberlain being fooled by Hitler prior to WW2 I'd go further and say that the FAAA is sounding more and more like the Germans towards the end of the war whilst telling their people that the withdrawal from the Russian front was purely a strategic one and that everything would be OK. We all know what happened next !! Well selling out on the JFK flights is not on my agenda and nor should it be with those at the FAAA who were elected to protect the membership from this sort of thing occurring. Enough's enough ! ! ! As already stated by many we have a reduced southbound slip in Singapore on FRA trips, the worse London patterns, sold our crew rest seats and after our esteemed leadership granted the JFK dispensation we've now been slapped in the face with six Kiwis on the patterns from next bid period. It's time to make a stand......it's well overdue......... I urge all flight attendants with a modicum of intelligence ..... and old fashioned guts to make a stand AND VOTE NO ! ! ! ! !
Have just received the ballot paper for the JFK dispensation and surprise surprise it's to be returned to the FAAA and not the Electoral Commission as voting should always be and begs the question why was'nt it included with the councillors vote we received less than two weeks ago?? Robert Mugabe would be proud of you MM. It's like putting Dracula in charge of the blood bank. Anyone who saw an agitated Michael Mijatov, along with Steven Reed, at an FAAA EBA meeting under the previous leadership at the St George Rower's Club on the 26th of March 2003, berating that leadership ----- and the company !!! ---- would be stunned and appalled, as I most certainly am, at the complete turnaround of these guy's who have gone from thumping the desks to hand in hand with GD. What happened to that fighting spirit MM that you displayed at the Rower's Club? Someone mentioned earlier about British PM Chamberlain being fooled by Hitler prior to WW2 I'd go further and say that the FAAA is sounding more and more like the Germans towards the end of the war whilst telling their people that the withdrawal from the Russian front was purely a strategic one and that everything would be OK. We all know what happened next !! Well selling out on the JFK flights is not on my agenda and nor should it be with those at the FAAA who were elected to protect the membership from this sort of thing occurring. Enough's enough ! ! ! As already stated by many we have a reduced southbound slip in Singapore on FRA trips, the worse London patterns, sold our crew rest seats and after our esteemed leadership granted the JFK dispensation we've now been slapped in the face with six Kiwis on the patterns from next bid period. It's time to make a stand......it's well overdue......... I urge all flight attendants with a modicum of intelligence ..... and old fashioned guts to make a stand AND VOTE NO ! ! ! ! !
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Defcon 4/War Games. The alternative is rightfully getting our JFK slips back. What part of that don't you understand? Bitch slap yourself?......you've been watching too much TV Mr Broderick.
Voting yes would be REEDiculous ! !
Make a stand AND VOTE NO ! !
Voting yes would be REEDiculous ! !
Make a stand AND VOTE NO ! !