OZ - IR issues, EBA's & T's & C's (All Australian Airlines)
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I think it will be a big NO to the next EBA. I have also heard from a union rep that they've been approached by the company with the intention of 9 day trips? It really depends on the base in regards to the international flights, who does them etc as international flying in Perth short haul is junior anyway, you can't get a domestic duty anywhere if you're junior! your entire roster consists of "regional international" trips and that is it! There are people that haven't done a domestic flight in 5 months, so, it will be interesting to see how the individual bases vote.
just waiting for the next update
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just waiting for the next update
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problem that exists is say hey gigs 9 day trip you want syd per then japan. so,what i mean is a per o/night now has japan for what extra cost?// little as to productivity. not trying to eliminate you as a crew member on this patten oz but me thinks the company may! now given the voting ways of different levels of seniors and zero casual vote??? it will be interesting to see what happens. wish us all luck cheers gigs
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well QF have decided to change the rules..all future new perm f/as will be on AWA 's..so there is no more progression as the current f/a's are under eba agreements..as EAA has expired they have 12 months to neg a new EBA OR qf can then give all f/a's at EAA a new AWA.This is the new IR laws coming into the workplace ...don't believe the fed govt advertising
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a possible purpose of 9 or 8 day trips is to do perth then japan and or singapore out of sydney. example sydney-perth overnight singapore overnight perth overnight sydney. the additional cost ,one overnight in per for this patten. savings is in productivity and no requirements for perth crew for that type of trip. again not that i would like that but its looking like it! cheers gigs
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QF changed the rules on the progression agreement with the faaa.The new IR laws make all new employees ( any workplace) work under AWA's...there might be one more progression in Jan/Feb..
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Were you at the meeting?
Did you hear the FAAA Categorically say there will NEVER be any more opportunities to progress once the new IR laws come into effect?
Also if you currently work under an EBA your cannot be forced onto an AWA that forms part of the new laws. Therefore how can we be forced onto an AWA if we havent negotiated our EBA within 12 months?
Were you at the meeting?
Did you hear the FAAA Categorically say there will NEVER be any more opportunities to progress once the new IR laws come into effect?
Also if you currently work under an EBA your cannot be forced onto an AWA that forms part of the new laws. Therefore how can we be forced onto an AWA if we havent negotiated our EBA within 12 months?
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i can understand what you mean, all i can say is hopefully we don't get shafted and left with excess crew and no work. Especially with all of these casuals that seem to come online. As it is the bidding system doesn't work (like we already know) somehow casuals are having duties pre-allocated to their line weeks in advance and these are duties that full timers are bidding for but can't seem to get? go figure.
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most crew seem to have a problem with the dumping and picking up of duties. my guess is if it doesnt work well then, with longer trips more leave and yes more casuals. i do however think that the company are targeting l/haul first as in per then ,s/haul second. 85 hrs a month couldnt work forever???????? cheers gigs
no galleyhag but,the potential could exist. by that if 9 or 8 day trips were allowed every time we fly to per we could do a per duty. i really dont think the entire work force would go for this type of thing though. all my contribution is is what the compay could do and ,what did i here from oz that yep thats what they were trying for(9 day trips). the other thing i was trying to say in my twisted garbel which oz didnt get was the way voting for this type of thing could work for it to happen. cheers gigs
no galleyhag but,the potential could exist. by that if 9 or 8 day trips were allowed every time we fly to per we could do a per duty. i really dont think the entire work force would go for this type of thing though. all my contribution is is what the compay could do and ,what did i here from oz that yep thats what they were trying for(9 day trips). the other thing i was trying to say in my twisted garbel which oz didnt get was the way voting for this type of thing could work for it to happen. cheers gigs
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Thanks gigs, I understand what you are saying.
Like it or not 8-9 day trips and 130-140 duty hours are on the cards. I believe whatever is offered to us through this EBA will be voted up like it or not.
Like it or not 8-9 day trips and 130-140 duty hours are on the cards. I believe whatever is offered to us through this EBA will be voted up like it or not.
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exactly and the end result is we all have to work harder......................what i was trying to say about voting was almost 40% of s/haul dont vote on the eba for s/haul. juniors always say how lucky we are to have jobs i feel many will vote up out of fear. seniors may want the every now and then o/s duty so,whos left to vote? anyway just my opinion. cheers gigs
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Thank You Shorthaul......
Since the last Shorthaul EBA(read betrayal)
I am enjoying more time at home and shorter trips.
Shorthaul crew are getting their reward ....longer trips and less time at home.
The next Shorthaul EBA will interesting.
See what else you can do for me while screwing yourselves in the process.
Thank you in anticipation.
I am enjoying more time at home and shorter trips.
Shorthaul crew are getting their reward ....longer trips and less time at home.
The next Shorthaul EBA will interesting.
See what else you can do for me while screwing yourselves in the process.
Thank you in anticipation.
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yow labia vortex,as an experienced long haul dude maybe you could tell us what we should do to help not us but you. oh i should tell you i cant vote because im a casual employee happy to be flying after loosing my job with 'chance it'. my eba comes from monee ponds after short hauls is done voting it is voted on by us on a like it or not style vote! most of us shall of course like it if we wish to be invited by qantas to still fly. so the forgoing being the case should we all just curl up and die? please tell us what we can do? cheers gigs
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okay I set up this thread for non EBA news!! Come on guys! I want to write a book about the experiences of solo/duel crew ops, so get me some stories! Lets keep this an EBA free zone!
When you see a stranger in the SYD crew room MQL is coming to get you!!
PS I will have a quick winge!! Christmas day should not be about seniority, it should be work one, next one off! Here it could be me and another girl every xmas for the rest of our days!! In every other shift work areas they do the one on one off thing, why not the FA's! What do you guys think!
When you see a stranger in the SYD crew room MQL is coming to get you!!PS I will have a quick winge!! Christmas day should not be about seniority, it should be work one, next one off! Here it could be me and another girl every xmas for the rest of our days!! In every other shift work areas they do the one on one off thing, why not the FA's! What do you guys think!
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Gigs..what you can do
The reason, and the only reason, we have ALL been done over is because shorthaul acted unilaterally.
No discussion with anybody else,no conference,no round table.
You(Watkins and Playford)made a kneejerk decision.
This resulted in both divisions being burnt.
Longhaul did nothing to burn you guys.You shot yourself in the foot and shot us in the head.
You were instrumental in the divisional flying agreement being thrown out.
The icing on the cake...agreeing to reduce BANS payment to anyone who transferred from longhaul.Absolute treachery.
Why in Gods name would you agree to something like that?
Absolutely vindictive.
AO was set up for the sole purpose of terrifying you guys and it did exactly that.
QF management knew you were the weakest link.You guys proved them correct.
It is now too late.
Your union has made your bed and now you have to lie in it.
There is now no such thing as shorthaul but rather "regional"
Shorthaul committed suicide and wounded longhaul in the process....Thank you.
Fortunately the wound has not yet proved fatal.
I will not be sending flowers to the shorthaul funeral.
Maybe the viagra driven dwarf will.
A little more strength and conversation would have prevented all of this.
The response will be so predictable I could write it myself.
That is also part of the problem..your assinine predictability
No discussion with anybody else,no conference,no round table.
You(Watkins and Playford)made a kneejerk decision.
This resulted in both divisions being burnt.
Longhaul did nothing to burn you guys.You shot yourself in the foot and shot us in the head.
You were instrumental in the divisional flying agreement being thrown out.
The icing on the cake...agreeing to reduce BANS payment to anyone who transferred from longhaul.Absolute treachery.
Why in Gods name would you agree to something like that?
Absolutely vindictive.
AO was set up for the sole purpose of terrifying you guys and it did exactly that.
QF management knew you were the weakest link.You guys proved them correct.
It is now too late.
Your union has made your bed and now you have to lie in it.
There is now no such thing as shorthaul but rather "regional"
Shorthaul committed suicide and wounded longhaul in the process....Thank you.
Fortunately the wound has not yet proved fatal.
I will not be sending flowers to the shorthaul funeral.
Maybe the viagra driven dwarf will.
A little more strength and conversation would have prevented all of this.
The response will be so predictable I could write it myself.
That is also part of the problem..your assinine predictability