QF Bid Period 238
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Too true QF Skywalker. I think that by accepting the offer and keeping the FAAA involved sends a clear message to management. "We are a unionised workforce" and the scare tactics they used through the whole process, ended up having little effect. I think they will have a run for their money next time around.
The way I see it, in a few years time there will be no LH or SH. Crew will simply work for QF and do the lot, as is done in the states by airlines like United.
Don't know how they will get around EBA's and unions etc, but you can guarentee that that they have a plan.
QF crew, stay strong and give 'em hell.
The way I see it, in a few years time there will be no LH or SH. Crew will simply work for QF and do the lot, as is done in the states by airlines like United.
Don't know how they will get around EBA's and unions etc, but you can guarentee that that they have a plan.
QF crew, stay strong and give 'em hell.
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AO..The Reality
The QF Mainline brand is slowly being destroyed.Dixon seems to feel that the Brand as is worth nothing.Individuals working for AO are rightly proud of their organization.But lets be clear AO is a Mexican airline employing cheap(er)labour to destinations largely designated as leisure routes.ie they have little or no potential J/C traffic and therefore low yields.It is also being used to denigrate the mainline(QF)product.
Employees at AO should understand that the hard yards regarding tourism into Australia were pioneered by Qantas and its staff.There seems to be a misguided/misinformed impression that QF staff are lazy and overpaid....wrong.The company's own performance reviews indicate that 97% of crew perform at or above the required performance standard.
The wages we are paid came about due to a system of work that was forced on us in 1988 in a trade off for the loss of 25% of our standown.
When QF was on its knees due to the Gulf War and SARS we agreed to a wage freeze and a shortened EBA...we want the company to survive and prosper.
We have been repaid by a reduction in conditions brought about by the establishment of overseas bases.We were promised by management that we would be fully consulted and advised regarding any changes affecting our work environment.We were advised via the media.This was the beginning of what has been an essentially malicious campaign by QF management against its own employees.Qantas makes a substantial profit..it is not about to go belly up.
On the operational side the quality of the product has also been attacked(regardless of the propaganda issued by the company)Breakdowns,an IFE system that doesn't work for 30 % of the time,lighting systems that continually fail,aircraft operating with full loads and 3 toilets out of 8 blocked off,special meals not being loaded, reduced loadscales the list goes on.
Please one and all understand that we will be angry and frustrated.Sniping from those outside Qantas( who are not aware of the circumstances)is largely unhelpful and smacks of tall "poppiness"Those who purport to be
(QF) employees and attack Longhaul crew are either management trolls or foolishly believe that their points of view will endear them to management(WRONG!)
I just want to do my job(and do it well)Attacks on me as a crew member are apalling and achieve nothing.These attacks emanate from other airlines and my own employer so forgive me if I get a little upset.
I do not attack other crew members(unless provoked) so do me the same courtesy and keep any uninformed/salacious opinions to yourself.
SAY SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE OR SAY NOTHING AT ALL!!
Employees at AO should understand that the hard yards regarding tourism into Australia were pioneered by Qantas and its staff.There seems to be a misguided/misinformed impression that QF staff are lazy and overpaid....wrong.The company's own performance reviews indicate that 97% of crew perform at or above the required performance standard.
The wages we are paid came about due to a system of work that was forced on us in 1988 in a trade off for the loss of 25% of our standown.
When QF was on its knees due to the Gulf War and SARS we agreed to a wage freeze and a shortened EBA...we want the company to survive and prosper.
We have been repaid by a reduction in conditions brought about by the establishment of overseas bases.We were promised by management that we would be fully consulted and advised regarding any changes affecting our work environment.We were advised via the media.This was the beginning of what has been an essentially malicious campaign by QF management against its own employees.Qantas makes a substantial profit..it is not about to go belly up.
On the operational side the quality of the product has also been attacked(regardless of the propaganda issued by the company)Breakdowns,an IFE system that doesn't work for 30 % of the time,lighting systems that continually fail,aircraft operating with full loads and 3 toilets out of 8 blocked off,special meals not being loaded, reduced loadscales the list goes on.
Please one and all understand that we will be angry and frustrated.Sniping from those outside Qantas( who are not aware of the circumstances)is largely unhelpful and smacks of tall "poppiness"Those who purport to be
(QF) employees and attack Longhaul crew are either management trolls or foolishly believe that their points of view will endear them to management(WRONG!)
I just want to do my job(and do it well)Attacks on me as a crew member are apalling and achieve nothing.These attacks emanate from other airlines and my own employer so forgive me if I get a little upset.
I do not attack other crew members(unless provoked) so do me the same courtesy and keep any uninformed/salacious opinions to yourself.
SAY SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE OR SAY NOTHING AT ALL!!
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Hey Labia! Why the attack?
"Employees at AO should understand that the hard yards regarding tourism into Australia were pioneered by Qantas and its staff."
A lot of crew at AO have come from Ansett, the other airline that did the "hard yards" when it came to tourism in Australia and yes we are rightly proud of the airline WE have built and job we do. I am sure if you too had found yourself without the job you love, after putting in these "hard Yards", then you too would be doing everything to protect yourself and your fellow collegues. We are a decent and intelligent bunch of people at AO.
I am sure that if you were to come and work with us you would certainly be made most welcome, unlike a lot of my friends who have found work at QF both FT and casual.
Many of them have been victimised, harrassed and made to feel like second rate citizens.
I am sure that you are not one of "those" who I am speaking of, but look at it from the other side as well.
Good luck with your flying career. It will only be as good as you choose to make it.
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"Employees at AO should understand that the hard yards regarding tourism into Australia were pioneered by Qantas and its staff."
A lot of crew at AO have come from Ansett, the other airline that did the "hard yards" when it came to tourism in Australia and yes we are rightly proud of the airline WE have built and job we do. I am sure if you too had found yourself without the job you love, after putting in these "hard Yards", then you too would be doing everything to protect yourself and your fellow collegues. We are a decent and intelligent bunch of people at AO.
I am sure that if you were to come and work with us you would certainly be made most welcome, unlike a lot of my friends who have found work at QF both FT and casual.
Many of them have been victimised, harrassed and made to feel like second rate citizens.
I am sure that you are not one of "those" who I am speaking of, but look at it from the other side as well.
Good luck with your flying career. It will only be as good as you choose to make it.
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Labia Vortex -
Stating your opinion and then requesting others to keep their opinions to themselves is slightly ignorant. If you want to state your opinion then please let others do the same.
I find that to be a bit of a random statement.....I for one do not go around proclaiming I pioneered tourism in Australia, and have never once heard a collegue at AO say the above either.
And I'm sorry it's not just Qantas & it's staff who pioneered tourism in Australia, there are many other groups involved.........
Cheers,
Have a good night,
RaverFlaver
I do not attack other crew members(unless provoked) so do me the same courtesy and keep your uninformed/salacious opinions to yourself.
Employees at AO should understand that the hard yards regarding tourism into Australia were pioneered by Qantas and its staff.
And I'm sorry it's not just Qantas & it's staff who pioneered tourism in Australia, there are many other groups involved.........
Cheers,
Have a good night,
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Hey Raver!
Couldn't agree with you more! Should have read the private message I got from Labia! NASTY!
She seems quite happy to give her opinion, but unwilling to listen to others points of view. No one said she has to accept them, but we are all entitled to them.
Time for Labia to move on I would say!
Couldn't agree with you more! Should have read the private message I got from Labia! NASTY!
She seems quite happy to give her opinion, but unwilling to listen to others points of view. No one said she has to accept them, but we are all entitled to them.
Time for Labia to move on I would say!
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TCM-Not,
I can only imagine!!! Just adds further embarrassment to Labia Vortex's quote "I do not attack other crew members"......of course unless provoked or via pm!
Have a great day,
RaverFlaver
I can only imagine!!! Just adds further embarrassment to Labia Vortex's quote "I do not attack other crew members"......of course unless provoked or via pm!
Have a great day,
RaverFlaver
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DEFCON4,
Do you care to explain this message you sent me in a pm, to which I tried to reply - however it says DEFCON4 has chosen not to recieve messages or something to that line?.......
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RaverFlaver
Do you care to explain this message you sent me in a pm, to which I tried to reply - however it says DEFCON4 has chosen not to recieve messages or something to that line?.......
A‚’e you and TCM Not! playing tongue sandwiches with each other?If so ..can I watch
Good night,
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so...behind his ostensible lip service concern for industral relations, DEFCON 4 turns out to be just another creepy senior L/H Horlix man.....
be warned and beware girls............
be warned and beware girls............
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I think girl on girl action is being alluded to
Kind of might not be the peep show he/she was hoping for though, as I'm a guy.
Another wild assumption......
Have a great day all,
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THIS IS BULL
This is bull 13 days of MEL-PER-MEL. My understanding is that Long Haul = International flights and S/H = Domestic Flights.
I am seriously NOT happy... if this is how we're getting screwed around with BP238 think about how many domestic patterns and reserve's we're gonna get with BP239 considering the S/H Crew seem to be doing all our flying newayz, not that i'm complaining that S/H are doing NRT as i dont like the NRT pattern newayz
Please share ur views
I am seriously NOT happy... if this is how we're getting screwed around with BP238 think about how many domestic patterns and reserve's we're gonna get with BP239 considering the S/H Crew seem to be doing all our flying newayz, not that i'm complaining that S/H are doing NRT as i dont like the NRT pattern newayz
Please share ur views
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flying bp 238
its not only mel suffers but also syd has a large increase in one day and over night trips from sh. its a joke alright but qf managers dont really give a toss how it affects lh or sh. penny pinchers try to work out upfront saving from lh doing sh trips (and reverse). however what they dont understand is that with all the changes from lh crew to short trips ther a re additional cost in administering those changes(allowances, hotels, transport,etc). but this is anothers department budget so they dont care. 
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More to come
Frankfurt,Honolulu and a few other destinations are likely to go to AO once the EBA gets up...then watch your rosters become full of domestic flying.The roles of SH and LH are being reversed because its more cost effective...not good for us tho'
