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BA staff travel system...
unlimited ID90 after the first year of joining (tand by econemy),
1 ID100 after 7 yrs of service (stand by econemy),
ID100 can be firmed after 10 yrs of service.....
not sure after that
I dont think CC will go on strike as we are full aware that would be the end of the company, but you never know....
pp. above staff travel consessions are for CC, FC got a few more
unlimited ID90 after the first year of joining (tand by econemy),
1 ID100 after 7 yrs of service (stand by econemy),
ID100 can be firmed after 10 yrs of service.....
not sure after that
I dont think CC will go on strike as we are full aware that would be the end of the company, but you never know....
pp. above staff travel consessions are for CC, FC got a few more
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Concorde the main issue for cabin crew and concessions is this:
A lot of us are single and have no spouse but instead have a 'nonimated companion' listed on our concessions.
It would be great if we could take our 'travel companion' away on our trips with us. This isn't possible however as a travel companion must be 'accompanied' by the staff member. So even though the staff member is onboard operating the same flight, we can't take our companion with us.
Most other UK airlines such as Virgin and bmi allow you to simply have a number of nominees on your conessions. Could be mum and dad, could be joe bloggs you met down the pub last friday night. They are fixed annually and you can change them once a year. BA's are SO outdated with the old spouse, mum dad bro sister rule.
Darkstar, I agree with you on CAT payments and think it would be great if BA and BASSA could have open forums on how we can all move forward for the common good. For example if CAT payments and the rent and maitenence of the CAT lounge costs BA say £2 million a year, maybe they could say 'OK, we are going to divide £1 and divide it amongst the basic salaries of the short-haul crews. That way, both BA and the crew win. BA saves £1 million and the crew don't lose out entirely. That would be in an ideal world but BA is more likely to take the stance of 'close the CAT lounge, get rid of CAT payments, let the crew lose out and get p*ssed off and save us £2m'.
The threat of strike action always has to be in existence or what is the point of having a union? OK, I don't think anyone would strike over losing a CAT payment, but if BA REALLY decided it was going to take the p*ss and doubled our workload and cut our salaries by 20% I could definitely see a strike happening and being supported by the crew. Of course we would all be hoping that the mere threat of it would be enough to have a reasonable resolution but if not I would be happy to strike. Personally I think BA are a responsible employer and I can't see a scenario like this happening as it would ruin customer, shareholders and lenders confidence in the airline.
Our pay and conditions are much better than a lot of airlines, but still on par or less than the likes of Air France, Iberia, KLM etc. Short-haul crew at Air France get an average of 15 days off per month for example.
I reckon instead we will see yet another 'new contract', the 'even newer' contract with a different allowence system to current.
A lot of us are single and have no spouse but instead have a 'nonimated companion' listed on our concessions.
It would be great if we could take our 'travel companion' away on our trips with us. This isn't possible however as a travel companion must be 'accompanied' by the staff member. So even though the staff member is onboard operating the same flight, we can't take our companion with us.
Most other UK airlines such as Virgin and bmi allow you to simply have a number of nominees on your conessions. Could be mum and dad, could be joe bloggs you met down the pub last friday night. They are fixed annually and you can change them once a year. BA's are SO outdated with the old spouse, mum dad bro sister rule.
Darkstar, I agree with you on CAT payments and think it would be great if BA and BASSA could have open forums on how we can all move forward for the common good. For example if CAT payments and the rent and maitenence of the CAT lounge costs BA say £2 million a year, maybe they could say 'OK, we are going to divide £1 and divide it amongst the basic salaries of the short-haul crews. That way, both BA and the crew win. BA saves £1 million and the crew don't lose out entirely. That would be in an ideal world but BA is more likely to take the stance of 'close the CAT lounge, get rid of CAT payments, let the crew lose out and get p*ssed off and save us £2m'.
The threat of strike action always has to be in existence or what is the point of having a union? OK, I don't think anyone would strike over losing a CAT payment, but if BA REALLY decided it was going to take the p*ss and doubled our workload and cut our salaries by 20% I could definitely see a strike happening and being supported by the crew. Of course we would all be hoping that the mere threat of it would be enough to have a reasonable resolution but if not I would be happy to strike. Personally I think BA are a responsible employer and I can't see a scenario like this happening as it would ruin customer, shareholders and lenders confidence in the airline.
Our pay and conditions are much better than a lot of airlines, but still on par or less than the likes of Air France, Iberia, KLM etc. Short-haul crew at Air France get an average of 15 days off per month for example.
I reckon instead we will see yet another 'new contract', the 'even newer' contract with a different allowence system to current.
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I do not think that the company would fear a strike. It is OK for many of the reps to bluster about what might happen, the same is true of ground services reps. The rub is that the majority of staff with less than 10 years have too many outgoings to take such action. There would also be a number of staff that would work as happened last time. On the last ocassion a couple of thousand rang in sick as they did not have the bottle to admit to taken industrial action.
I support our CC in many aspects, they are professional and many are a credit to the company. However, we at BA are still paid in excess of all of our competitors and can only survive with further fiscal cuts. Such cuts must in the main take into account future pay and allowances for all of us at BA, irrespective of whether we like it or not.
I support our CC in many aspects, they are professional and many are a credit to the company. However, we at BA are still paid in excess of all of our competitors and can only survive with further fiscal cuts. Such cuts must in the main take into account future pay and allowances for all of us at BA, irrespective of whether we like it or not.
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HZ123 - another insightful comment again! There's a nagging rumour that the whole system of allowances are to be investigated and 'adjusted', but that contracts will not be tackled due legal issues, however, any strike would immediately lead to wholesale contract changes. Did a BOS/LHR last week and many FC/CC seem to think the allowances are increasingly looking like bargaining tools. 
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Darkstar how do you mean the allowence system is to be 'investigated and adjusted'? The allowence system CANNOT be changed as it forms part of our contractual agreement with BA. The only way our allowence system can be changed is by changing our contracts which requires BASSA and indirectly our agreement.
I'm sure after the huge failure of the 'Elapsed Hourly Rate' that management tried to bring in late last year, they will try again with a few extra 'sweetners'. I'm certainly not anti towards changing the allowence system as in many ways the current system is unfair. The only thing is, any new system will have to ensure that crews don't see a dip in their monthly take home pay. Remember, the whole objective from BA's position on the Elapsed Hourly Rate was to save money by reduced tax and NI payments BA has to make, not by cutting our pay per se. Yeah right!! :-) Perhaps if management were a bit more communicative with the crew and honest they would have more success.
HZ123 any talk of a strike are really speculative as there isn't even so much of a rumour of one at the moment. We all know that we have to tighten our belts, but are hoping for constructive ways that will benefit both the crews and BA. Saying that, unlike many other airlines,
BA's LHR operation is 100% permanent and mainline . And around 85-90% of these crew are in the BASSA union. Many airlines have crew on temporary/non mainline crews at their various bases, so if the mainline crews do pursue industrial action there are non-unionised/mainline crews to maintain some sort of operation. At LHR this is not the case. Any industrial action by BASSA would see BA's ops at LHR at a near standstill.
It was only a few months ago that we seen the first threat over industrial action in ages. BA refused to budge on our pay rise, insisting that any pay rise would be linked to the new attendance management process. After numerous meetings (A YEARS WORTH!!) BA stood their ground and said they would not budge on the issue. BASSA said enough is enough, and gained permission to hold a ballot on industrial action for all mainline crew. The very next day BA came back to the table and said they would give the pay rise (backdated) without linking it to the Attendance Management Process. Although many of us do have under 10 years of service, we are perhaps MORE likely to defend our conditions than someone who is retiring in five years.
Also HZ we are NOT 'paid in excess of all our competitors'. Compared to bmi, Virgin or the other UK airlines maybe yes, we are (which is the main reason many of us have come from those airlines to BA). Compare our salaries and conditions to our collegues at Air France, Iberia or Swiss. We do indeed hold the title of 'most expensive crew in europe' but much of these figures are diluted by the huge pension problem BA has. Funny enough, Iberia's management also tell their crews they are the most expensive in europe, so would be interesting to know where the truth lays!
I'm sure after the huge failure of the 'Elapsed Hourly Rate' that management tried to bring in late last year, they will try again with a few extra 'sweetners'. I'm certainly not anti towards changing the allowence system as in many ways the current system is unfair. The only thing is, any new system will have to ensure that crews don't see a dip in their monthly take home pay. Remember, the whole objective from BA's position on the Elapsed Hourly Rate was to save money by reduced tax and NI payments BA has to make, not by cutting our pay per se. Yeah right!! :-) Perhaps if management were a bit more communicative with the crew and honest they would have more success.
HZ123 any talk of a strike are really speculative as there isn't even so much of a rumour of one at the moment. We all know that we have to tighten our belts, but are hoping for constructive ways that will benefit both the crews and BA. Saying that, unlike many other airlines,
BA's LHR operation is 100% permanent and mainline . And around 85-90% of these crew are in the BASSA union. Many airlines have crew on temporary/non mainline crews at their various bases, so if the mainline crews do pursue industrial action there are non-unionised/mainline crews to maintain some sort of operation. At LHR this is not the case. Any industrial action by BASSA would see BA's ops at LHR at a near standstill.
It was only a few months ago that we seen the first threat over industrial action in ages. BA refused to budge on our pay rise, insisting that any pay rise would be linked to the new attendance management process. After numerous meetings (A YEARS WORTH!!) BA stood their ground and said they would not budge on the issue. BASSA said enough is enough, and gained permission to hold a ballot on industrial action for all mainline crew. The very next day BA came back to the table and said they would give the pay rise (backdated) without linking it to the Attendance Management Process. Although many of us do have under 10 years of service, we are perhaps MORE likely to defend our conditions than someone who is retiring in five years.
Also HZ we are NOT 'paid in excess of all our competitors'. Compared to bmi, Virgin or the other UK airlines maybe yes, we are (which is the main reason many of us have come from those airlines to BA). Compare our salaries and conditions to our collegues at Air France, Iberia or Swiss. We do indeed hold the title of 'most expensive crew in europe' but much of these figures are diluted by the huge pension problem BA has. Funny enough, Iberia's management also tell their crews they are the most expensive in europe, so would be interesting to know where the truth lays!
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Keeperboy - good post. Hot rumour is that all hotels where crew nightstop are going to include breakfast, lunch, dinner as part of the deal, i.e there will be 'no need to claim' as meals have been provided 
I think that way its gets around allowance contract issue in some way 
I don't think a strike will happen, as you so rightly point out, BA management crumble in the face of a strike threat - always have, always will
I think that way its gets around allowance contract issue in some way I don't think a strike will happen, as you so rightly point out, BA management crumble in the face of a strike threat - always have, always will
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Cheeky buggers! 
How would they pay allowences when we AREN'T in a hotel though?
Like short-haul doing a there-and-back or long haul in-flight?
Don't reckon that one's gonna happen some how! And if it does it will be sevruga and champers for dinner in the hotel for me! :-)
How would they pay allowences when we AREN'T in a hotel though?
Like short-haul doing a there-and-back or long haul in-flight?
Don't reckon that one's gonna happen some how! And if it does it will be sevruga and champers for dinner in the hotel for me! :-)
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Thank goodness the question Hayley_20 asked was answered by exmax when it was. Just 11 minutes later and it might not have happened as the whole thing was brought to a grinding halt in rather dramatic fashion.
It hardly seems to me that a discussion of it was ever asked for, nor did exmax enter into one.
What's the problem with asking for and being given a guideline figure to allow some expectation of likely future financial flexibility in order to plan domestic arrangements? It seems more than reasonable to me.
There really is no big secret to what anyone, in any position, in any industry earns if you care to look a little. The mere mention of a rough figure really is nothing to get so excited about, especially since the only interested party was Hayley_20 who will eventually come to know the situation anyway but asked so she might plan ahead.
Any others who read such a reply and chose to feel affected by what they see have a number of choices available to them. The fact that they are presented with an approximate and reasonably freely available piece of information that may make them consider those choices changes nothing.
Well done exmax for showing a little support for what 2 years ago would of been a colleague.
To everyone else, sorry to mention the original post, as you were.
Anybody else wish to discuss what they earn or spend?
What's the problem with asking for and being given a guideline figure to allow some expectation of likely future financial flexibility in order to plan domestic arrangements? It seems more than reasonable to me.
There really is no big secret to what anyone, in any position, in any industry earns if you care to look a little. The mere mention of a rough figure really is nothing to get so excited about, especially since the only interested party was Hayley_20 who will eventually come to know the situation anyway but asked so she might plan ahead.
Any others who read such a reply and chose to feel affected by what they see have a number of choices available to them. The fact that they are presented with an approximate and reasonably freely available piece of information that may make them consider those choices changes nothing.
Well done exmax for showing a little support for what 2 years ago would of been a colleague.
To everyone else, sorry to mention the original post, as you were.
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Keeperboy - I'm led to believe its the meal allowances which are being targetted, so non-hotac allowances would seem to be safe ...for now. I have to say why should my meal allowances by higher than say, ground staff who travel on duty and stay in the same hotels as me? I think BA will roll out 'all-in hotel/meals' when new hotel contracts are being thrashed out.
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I don't think a strike will happen, as you so rightly point out, BA management crumble in the face of a strike threat - always have, always will
Don't reckon that one's gonna happen some how! And if it does it will be sevruga and champers for dinner in the hotel for me! :-)
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Oh Re-Heat, let me guess, you are a Cabin Crew hater that thinks we are all overpaid underworked whingers that hold the company to ransom and you work in Waterside or on the ground? Or perhaps not for BA at all?
Reality check.....the sevruga and champers was obviously tongue in cheek.
And these days I think you would be in more trouble for calling in sick than going on strike so can't see that one happening again!
To be honest, whether striking or mass sick calls, has the same end result, no? Cancellations, disruption.....
Reality check.....the sevruga and champers was obviously tongue in cheek.
And these days I think you would be in more trouble for calling in sick than going on strike so can't see that one happening again!
To be honest, whether striking or mass sick calls, has the same end result, no? Cancellations, disruption.....
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Let's face it. In any business, every industry there is a company that pays the best and one that pays the worse and loads in between. This is true whether it is a shop, a bank, an insurance company, restaurant, WHATEVER!
As far as UK airlines go it just happens to be BA. Big deal.
Re-Heat, if you were Cabin Crew for BA you would understand where we are coming from. I don't know the ins and outs of the banking world, but if someone worked for Barclays and had a contract (a 2 way BINDING agreement) stating their terms, conditions and the way they are paid I wouldn't find it my business to question or complain about it. And I guess I would understand and be able to empathise if Barclays then decided they didn't want to abide by that contract anymore.
There are very few of my collegues that I would describe as 'entrentched' as you put it. Most of us don't have our heads in the sand, we know we are on average better paid than our collegues at other airlines and have better conditions. We know there are areas within our department that could be addressed and made more efficient. The large majority of us are also more than happy to discuss various options with our management and trade union to find mutually beneficial outcomes.
What the majority of us will not stand for however is being shafted, as BA has attempted to do in the past. A bit of honesty, discussion and give-and-take is all most of us are asking for.
As far as UK airlines go it just happens to be BA. Big deal.
Re-Heat, if you were Cabin Crew for BA you would understand where we are coming from. I don't know the ins and outs of the banking world, but if someone worked for Barclays and had a contract (a 2 way BINDING agreement) stating their terms, conditions and the way they are paid I wouldn't find it my business to question or complain about it. And I guess I would understand and be able to empathise if Barclays then decided they didn't want to abide by that contract anymore.
There are very few of my collegues that I would describe as 'entrentched' as you put it. Most of us don't have our heads in the sand, we know we are on average better paid than our collegues at other airlines and have better conditions. We know there are areas within our department that could be addressed and made more efficient. The large majority of us are also more than happy to discuss various options with our management and trade union to find mutually beneficial outcomes.
What the majority of us will not stand for however is being shafted, as BA has attempted to do in the past. A bit of honesty, discussion and give-and-take is all most of us are asking for.
