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niceguy,
You're right that the A310 will fly BHX-FLL;
Route between EGBB (BIRMINGHAM, WEST MIDLANDS, ENGLAND, UNITED KINGDOM) and KFLL (FORT LAUDERDALE, FLORIDA, USA):
Distance along great circle: 4330.1 statute miles, 3762.8 nautical miles, 6968.7 kilometers
An A310-300 @ 157,000 kgs MTOW will fly this sector in 9 hours 2 minutes @ M.079 carrying a total payload of 22,476 kgs - say 250 pax @ 90kgs each - and burn 42,220 kgs of fuel in the process.
But, with respect, the A310-300 won't fly 9,600 kms - that's 5,200 nm - with a decent payload. To go that far it will burn about another 14.5 tonnes of fuel, which leaves a payload of about 7 tonnes, or 77 passengers.
You're right that the A310 will fly BHX-FLL;
Route between EGBB (BIRMINGHAM, WEST MIDLANDS, ENGLAND, UNITED KINGDOM) and KFLL (FORT LAUDERDALE, FLORIDA, USA):
Distance along great circle: 4330.1 statute miles, 3762.8 nautical miles, 6968.7 kilometers
An A310-300 @ 157,000 kgs MTOW will fly this sector in 9 hours 2 minutes @ M.079 carrying a total payload of 22,476 kgs - say 250 pax @ 90kgs each - and burn 42,220 kgs of fuel in the process.
But, with respect, the A310-300 won't fly 9,600 kms - that's 5,200 nm - with a decent payload. To go that far it will burn about another 14.5 tonnes of fuel, which leaves a payload of about 7 tonnes, or 77 passengers.
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Next it'll be DC-10's/L-1011 dragged out of the arizona desert with cocktail lounges in the belly, accessed via elevators with silver service offered as standard throughout
'FLYWHO', the thread that beggars belief to so many, although you have to admit it does offer amusing entertainment.
'FLYWHO', the thread that beggars belief to so many, although you have to admit it does offer amusing entertainment.
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...not to mention the c/c dragged out after dessert with cocktails in their bellies.
Seriously, though, you're right, DELTABOY. Someone up there at BHX has spent the last two years (?) turning good, honest pounds sterling into Prime Grade A1 Bullsh*t.
Seriously, though, you're right, DELTABOY. Someone up there at BHX has spent the last two years (?) turning good, honest pounds sterling into Prime Grade A1 Bullsh*t.
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Hi Guys
Well i told you all this was a shower of SH*T from the start, well trolleydolleybabe what ever you are called ,do i get an apology ? i was apparently being negative about this set up, and guess what i was right.
i am so glad though that innocent people have not gave jobs in or moved house for this so called cowboy outfit.
take care all
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Well i told you all this was a shower of SH*T from the start, well trolleydolleybabe what ever you are called ,do i get an apology ? i was apparently being negative about this set up, and guess what i was right.
i am so glad though that innocent people have not gave jobs in or moved house for this so called cowboy outfit.
take care all
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I wish I had the faith that you have. I go back to my points made in previous posts, no seats sold so no launch!!! Simple as that and no amount of you wondering where we get our info from will change that. You may have been successful in being added to a list of future cabin crew but you know very little about what's really happening, or should I say not happening. Incidently, myself and others in the travel industry are the peolpe that are approached by start up airlines like flywho who are aiming at a particular market to get behind their launch and sell their product. At first I was impressed and excited about the prospect although I had my reservations about the limited appeal in a very price concious market. An airline solely aiming at the premium market, particularly from a regional airport, a very nice idea but possibly not a sound business one. We were contacted a few years ago but the whole venture came to nothing, as we all know. Florida for 2006 is on sale now and no sign of a flwho seat being offered either via the usual channels or on their website, wake up and ask yourself how its all going to happen. Seats will need to be on sale months before you start your training as cabin crew so until you see some promotional/media sales and marketing activity I suggest you get on with your current job.
wan2fly, I think we'll still be having this same debate in 12, 18 and 24 months time. I don't think this venture in it's current form will ever get off the ground. I'll keep my ear to the ground though and let you know if I hear anything, in the meantime keep on believing!!
I wish I had the faith that you have. I go back to my points made in previous posts, no seats sold so no launch!!! Simple as that and no amount of you wondering where we get our info from will change that. You may have been successful in being added to a list of future cabin crew but you know very little about what's really happening, or should I say not happening. Incidently, myself and others in the travel industry are the peolpe that are approached by start up airlines like flywho who are aiming at a particular market to get behind their launch and sell their product. At first I was impressed and excited about the prospect although I had my reservations about the limited appeal in a very price concious market. An airline solely aiming at the premium market, particularly from a regional airport, a very nice idea but possibly not a sound business one. We were contacted a few years ago but the whole venture came to nothing, as we all know. Florida for 2006 is on sale now and no sign of a flwho seat being offered either via the usual channels or on their website, wake up and ask yourself how its all going to happen. Seats will need to be on sale months before you start your training as cabin crew so until you see some promotional/media sales and marketing activity I suggest you get on with your current job.
wan2fly, I think we'll still be having this same debate in 12, 18 and 24 months time. I don't think this venture in it's current form will ever get off the ground. I'll keep my ear to the ground though and let you know if I hear anything, in the meantime keep on believing!!
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FW
Thanks for the lengthy reply !
I am still flying - loving every minute of it thanks...
But - Re FW - I cant be bothered to get into the debate anymore -so ill just read the posts - thanks again tho for taking so much time with the above reply...
Ps - this will be the worlds longest post if it is still been debated in 12/18/24 months time.
Happy flying / investing or whatever it is you do.
I am still flying - loving every minute of it thanks...
But - Re FW - I cant be bothered to get into the debate anymore -so ill just read the posts - thanks again tho for taking so much time with the above reply...
Ps - this will be the worlds longest post if it is still been debated in 12/18/24 months time.
Happy flying / investing or whatever it is you do.
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' Next it'll be DC-10's/L-1011 dragged out of the arizona desert'
Could be, yes. I see Air Scotland has contracted an L1011 for the year ahead (from Greece I think) to do Florida and other long hauls. Dont hear anyone laughing.
In fact, you better get used to the idea because there is not enough modern jets to go round anymore and you will see LOTS of DC10's and L1011's coming back into use until the situation corrects itself.
Even the air lease conference in Dublin this week has a session about old jets coming back, so dont go being too clever. Everyone expects them to make a return until the manufacturers can catch up with demand!
Could be, yes. I see Air Scotland has contracted an L1011 for the year ahead (from Greece I think) to do Florida and other long hauls. Dont hear anyone laughing.
In fact, you better get used to the idea because there is not enough modern jets to go round anymore and you will see LOTS of DC10's and L1011's coming back into use until the situation corrects itself.
Even the air lease conference in Dublin this week has a session about old jets coming back, so dont go being too clever. Everyone expects them to make a return until the manufacturers can catch up with demand!
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In fact, you better get used to the idea because there is not enough modern jets to go round anymore and you will see LOTS of DC10's and L1011's coming back into use until the situation corrects itself.
I personally wouldn't pay over the odds to travel on an old Tristar to florida with flywho or Air Scotland. I don't care how lovely the seats are, I would give my money to someone like Virgin instead who I know will be operating nicer and more modern aircraft.
If flywho are seriously having to go down the "drag the oldies out the desert" route, I think its time to call it a day personally!
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I don't think the average passenger would have a clue what they were flying in. A330 or DC-10, what does it mean to them? If they get more legroom and a cheaper seat they are quite happy. I for one do know the difference and also go by price. The economics and availability dictate which aircraft are used on charter flights, not aircraft branding.
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I think there's a slight difference here, flywho are supposedly offering a premium product at a premium price. Leaving all of the already said issues about credability etc aside and in their defence, the two operations are differnet. Air Scotland as far as I'm aware propose to operate a budget style economy service, somewhat along the lines of their European procuct but caterered more to long haul and aimed at the budget and cost concious customer. To the vast majority of travellers provided the aircraft is ontime, safe and has a degree of comfort and the price is acceptbale then they are happy. The Flywho operation on the other hand I believe will be aimed at a the more affluent end of the market.
Travellers do have a choice, the new First Choice premium product is now available on long haul aircraft (including BHX departures to SFB) and appears to be popular.
As my previous posts state, I'm very sceptical about flywho's future plans but to be fair I don't see their operation/product being in the same camp as that proposed by Air Scotland.
I totally take your point though about where I would spend my money. I also would go down the VS route and probably not want to board an old 1011 or DC-10, having said that I wouldn't set foot on a Ryanair aircraft either but that's another debate!
Travellers do have a choice, the new First Choice premium product is now available on long haul aircraft (including BHX departures to SFB) and appears to be popular.
As my previous posts state, I'm very sceptical about flywho's future plans but to be fair I don't see their operation/product being in the same camp as that proposed by Air Scotland.
I totally take your point though about where I would spend my money. I also would go down the VS route and probably not want to board an old 1011 or DC-10, having said that I wouldn't set foot on a Ryanair aircraft either but that's another debate!
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Great news 'niceguy', I loved those handsome tri-jets & loved working on them too!... proper aircraft built to last, not like the dull plastic looking jets we see before us today. Although i am a little surprised you say there is a shortage of newer equipment about. Aren't there alot of B-747-400 & MD-11, A300-600R sitting about in deserts post 9/11?
I think the Air Scotland L-1011\'s are going to be ex Air Transat 500 series long range jets, great machine!
I think the Air Scotland L-1011\'s are going to be ex Air Transat 500 series long range jets, great machine!
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Flyblu
A new start up charter airline basing from Manchester in 2006.
The company will be operating 4 x A310.
Not much detail at present however keep an eye on their web site for details www.airwho.com
"We have been let-down and are actively seeking a new partner to take on the responsibility of handling the flywho sales for
Florida and this has set us back a number of months.
Please be assured that the project is still going ahead and we are determined, now more than ever, to be fully operational in
the future."
Aden Murcutt
C. E. O.
The company will be operating 4 x A310.
Not much detail at present however keep an eye on their web site for details www.airwho.com
"We have been let-down and are actively seeking a new partner to take on the responsibility of handling the flywho sales for
Florida and this has set us back a number of months.
Please be assured that the project is still going ahead and we are determined, now more than ever, to be fully operational in
the future."
Aden Murcutt
C. E. O.
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I must admit defeat. As Salmon Rushdie found, it is not possible to fight against faith. That faith may be very stupid but if it is really believed no amount of reason will prevail. You either believe everything negative about flyblu/who or you dont.
People are now posting stuff like 'I think there's a slight difference here' to allow Air Scotland to do something that no-one wants to allow flywho to do.
Fine. you win. All you brilliant people who run your own companies, you do win. I am just tired of it. When you start your airline, post here and I will come work for FREE for a month.
Goodbye.
People are now posting stuff like 'I think there's a slight difference here' to allow Air Scotland to do something that no-one wants to allow flywho to do.
Fine. you win. All you brilliant people who run your own companies, you do win. I am just tired of it. When you start your airline, post here and I will come work for FREE for a month.
Goodbye.
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Hey Niceguy, take alook at my post again, I was in fact saying that there's a difference between the two products that are possibly being offered. Air Scotland = budget, Flywho = Premium. I was defending Flywho, for once!
Apologies if you find my posts unpleasant reading. My comments are based on experience and what makes business sense, not a glossy picture that is painted at a recruitment day.
At the end of the day, if the business plan doesn't stand up and you don't get the financial backing, you're going knowhere. No amount of wishfull thinking, faith and being impressed will change that.
Apologies if you find my posts unpleasant reading. My comments are based on experience and what makes business sense, not a glossy picture that is painted at a recruitment day.
At the end of the day, if the business plan doesn't stand up and you don't get the financial backing, you're going knowhere. No amount of wishfull thinking, faith and being impressed will change that.
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I agree
I must admit I agree with you! If funding does not come through a great plan will fail. If it does come through a stupid plan will get started.
EUjet at Manston for example. What a stupid plan that is, but give someone £30m and they can start. The problem with F.W. is not that the idea is bad, it's either you get the cash or you dont.
This admission that I can be reasonable hurts my head. Think I need to go lie down now.
EUjet at Manston for example. What a stupid plan that is, but give someone £30m and they can start. The problem with F.W. is not that the idea is bad, it's either you get the cash or you dont.
This admission that I can be reasonable hurts my head. Think I need to go lie down now.
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Hi all after looking at there website today i found this on the homepage and i quote
"The Board of BluArrow Aviation Ltd has reluctantly come to the decision that we are no longer able to proceed with our June 2005 start date.
Our ATOL-licensed partner had originally agreed to a programme of charter flights to Florida and would be responsible for the sale of all the seats. All reservations would have been effected with them and protected accordingly. Sadly, they failed to commit to the contract in necessary practical ways within an appropriate timescale, which has resulted in the suspension of this programme until further notice.
We apologise most sincerely if this has affected your plans.
All existing passengers have been re-accommodated on other carriers and we will not be taking any further booking requests until we are 200% sure we have the right ATOL partner to undertake the passenger-protection role.
We have not ‘gone bust’ or ‘ceased trading’!
We have been let-down and are actively seeking a new partner to take on the responsibility of handling the flywho sales for Florida and this has set us back a number of months.
Please be assured that the project is still going ahead and we are determined, now more than ever, to be fully operational in the future.
Aden Murcutt
C. E. O. "
so it may be a while longer before you hear anything at all
"The Board of BluArrow Aviation Ltd has reluctantly come to the decision that we are no longer able to proceed with our June 2005 start date.
Our ATOL-licensed partner had originally agreed to a programme of charter flights to Florida and would be responsible for the sale of all the seats. All reservations would have been effected with them and protected accordingly. Sadly, they failed to commit to the contract in necessary practical ways within an appropriate timescale, which has resulted in the suspension of this programme until further notice.
We apologise most sincerely if this has affected your plans.
All existing passengers have been re-accommodated on other carriers and we will not be taking any further booking requests until we are 200% sure we have the right ATOL partner to undertake the passenger-protection role.
We have not ‘gone bust’ or ‘ceased trading’!
We have been let-down and are actively seeking a new partner to take on the responsibility of handling the flywho sales for Florida and this has set us back a number of months.
Please be assured that the project is still going ahead and we are determined, now more than ever, to be fully operational in the future.
Aden Murcutt
C. E. O. "
so it may be a while longer before you hear anything at all
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Anyone heard anything?
Greetings cynics!
Anyone heard anything about flywho lately? Seems way too quiet to me. Calm before the storm or perhaps it really has all gone down?
Anyway, willing to listen if you know anything.....
Anyone heard anything about flywho lately? Seems way too quiet to me. Calm before the storm or perhaps it really has all gone down?
Anyway, willing to listen if you know anything.....