Skirts or Trousers?
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There is one reason for me above others to prefer trousers, and it is that in case of any kind of emergency you would be more covered (see fire or slide evac) and free to move. I have heard from one of the Toronto CC that some of them came out of the evacuation with ripped uniforms, lost shoes and covered in mud. In such a situation, I definitely would rather be wearing trousers. I just finished my Defibrillator recurrent training 30' ago, and it made me think of this thread: having to stay crouched in an aisle or galley and move quickly as you must in these occasions, aren't trousers much better use?
Many of the posts on this thread seem to assume that all of your pax are male, or that the men are the only ones you have to cater to.
What if you have female passengers who don't care if female cabin crew wear skirts or pants, as long as you do your job well?
If male passengers tip you better and fly your airline more often if you wear a skirt, and if they are the only pax that count, then by all means go with the shortest skirt you can find.
Is that the point of this thread? Are male passengers and crew the only ones that matter?
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What if you have female passengers who don't care if female cabin crew wear skirts or pants, as long as you do your job well?
If male passengers tip you better and fly your airline more often if you wear a skirt, and if they are the only pax that count, then by all means go with the shortest skirt you can find.
Is that the point of this thread? Are male passengers and crew the only ones that matter?
Sigh...
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What about trousers from a safety point of view??
There was a documentary called Black Box a few years ago about the UA DC10 crash in Sioux City. One of the Cabin Crew said that here legs were burned & badly scarred from wearing tights. She was urging the FAA to do something to encourage FAs to wear trousers and no tights.
There was a documentary called Black Box a few years ago about the UA DC10 crash in Sioux City. One of the Cabin Crew said that here legs were burned & badly scarred from wearing tights. She was urging the FAA to do something to encourage FAs to wear trousers and no tights.
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KiloMike, I remember hearing that too, about the pantyhose melting.... nasty!!! 
But I was told once that FAs (at least in Aus) still have to wear pantyhose/tights even if they are wearing trousers.... is this true? Or can you get away with the little knee-high ones instead?? I always thought it was a silly rule for trousers, I mean for a skirt it makes sense but surely safety should be more a concern??
Flyblue, you make a good point about practicality. Which of us ladies hasn't had trouble getting up steps/into a car/bending down, even in a skirt that's not too tight or short?? I always wondered if airlines test their uniforms to see how they would hold up. Also on that point, why isn't water training done with full uniform on? it would be more realistic....
But I was told once that FAs (at least in Aus) still have to wear pantyhose/tights even if they are wearing trousers.... is this true? Or can you get away with the little knee-high ones instead?? I always thought it was a silly rule for trousers, I mean for a skirt it makes sense but surely safety should be more a concern??
Flyblue, you make a good point about practicality. Which of us ladies hasn't had trouble getting up steps/into a car/bending down, even in a skirt that's not too tight or short?? I always wondered if airlines test their uniforms to see how they would hold up. Also on that point, why isn't water training done with full uniform on? it would be more realistic....
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>>Many of the posts on this thread seem to assume that all of your pax are male, or that the men are the only ones you have to cater to.
What if you have female passengers who don't care if female cabin crew wear skirts or pants, as long as you do your job well?
If male passengers tip you better and fly your airline more often if you wear a skirt, and if they are the only pax that count, then by all means go with the shortest skirt you can find.
Is that the point of this thread? Are male passengers and crew the only ones that matter?
Sigh...<<
Well I know of at least one airline where they've done market research and apparently *female* pax, as well as male, consider cc smarter in skirts than trousers...
What if you have female passengers who don't care if female cabin crew wear skirts or pants, as long as you do your job well?
If male passengers tip you better and fly your airline more often if you wear a skirt, and if they are the only pax that count, then by all means go with the shortest skirt you can find.
Is that the point of this thread? Are male passengers and crew the only ones that matter?
Sigh...<<
Well I know of at least one airline where they've done market research and apparently *female* pax, as well as male, consider cc smarter in skirts than trousers...
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Some Interesting points and discussions on this thread. Surely in the year 2005 with all the improvements in manufacturing/textiles etc you woul presume that Cabin Crew uniforms would be made from a heat resistant non burning type of material that would give them some form of protection in the event of an onboard fire or Crash Landing situation. If you are just wearing a standard blouse,skirt and jacket you havent much protection and of course wearing tights is not going to give your legs any protection at all,in fact they could be considered a fire hazard. which will actually cause worse burns to your legs than if you went bare legged which no Airline would let you do anyway as Hoisery is always part of the uniform. All in all Trousers seem to be more suitable from a safety and practical point of view. The only advantage to wearing a skirt is that it is cooler in Summer. If you look at Women on the street going about their daily buisness, about two thirds of them are wearing trousers. Why? Because thet can
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From a groundstaff point of view......
we see Ba in trousers and skirts and both look nice. the trouser suits are tailored and look very smart as do the skirts, (of the new uniform.)
We also see BMI in there uniform with the gloves and hat..... maybe i'm a bit biased but i wish we could have hats back. I understand they get cold, so many times they've opened the door to us shivering.
I think both uniforms look fine and i don't think trousers would look right with a hat and gloves. it would proibably take a whole uniform revamp to put trousers in.
we see Ba in trousers and skirts and both look nice. the trouser suits are tailored and look very smart as do the skirts, (of the new uniform.)
We also see BMI in there uniform with the gloves and hat..... maybe i'm a bit biased but i wish we could have hats back. I understand they get cold, so many times they've opened the door to us shivering.
I think both uniforms look fine and i don't think trousers would look right with a hat and gloves. it would proibably take a whole uniform revamp to put trousers in.
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I am a FA at Lufthansa German Airlines and fortunately, there is a choice between trousers and skirts.
I think trousers are more practical and safer in case of an emergency.
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I think trousers are more practical and safer in case of an emergency.
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Bring back the original funky Go-fly uniforms!! Brightly coloured T-shirts with matching accesories and grey trouser suits for women (oh and men!).
There are rumours in a large UK airline that if a female wears the trouser option with the neckscarf work like a boy-scout, they are preferring female company (ahem!!). Well thats the view of certain flight deck.
There are rumours in a large UK airline that if a female wears the trouser option with the neckscarf work like a boy-scout, they are preferring female company (ahem!!). Well thats the view of certain flight deck.
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>>There are rumours in a large UK airline that if a female wears the trouser option with the neckscarf work like a boy-scout, they are preferring female company (ahem!!). <<
Another persuasive argument for trouser bans for female cc!
Another persuasive argument for trouser bans for female cc!
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>>well i prefer to see women in skirts, really only because im a perve!<<
I don't think you're a perve at all - it's natural. I don't think I'd feel the same way about a guy if he wore skirts or dresses, so why should guys fancy girls who wear trousers?
IMHO most pilots are quite good looking chaps and their uniforms help a lot with that. I wouldn't want to work for an airline that allowed girlies to wear trousers because it would take away some of the fun and flirting.
I don't think you're a perve at all - it's natural. I don't think I'd feel the same way about a guy if he wore skirts or dresses, so why should guys fancy girls who wear trousers?
IMHO most pilots are quite good looking chaps and their uniforms help a lot with that. I wouldn't want to work for an airline that allowed girlies to wear trousers because it would take away some of the fun and flirting.
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visibility3miles - it isnt just men that are to be catered for on sectors... It is women too and just maybe you might get the odd lesbian who likes skirts too.... :oP
Just thinking back to the old Air2000 757's where one had a birdseye view of the Jumpseat crew around row 12......
Skirts look more stylish and more feminine....
Just thinking back to the old Air2000 757's where one had a birdseye view of the Jumpseat crew around row 12......
Skirts look more stylish and more feminine....
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I wouldn't want to work for an airline that allowed girlies to wear trousers because it would take away some of the fun and flirting.
Where I work girls wear trousers and still manage to have fun and flirting. I understand your concern if you cannot afford to wear them, but usually girls can choose between trousers or skirt so you would be safe.
I wouldn't want to work for an airline that allowed girlies to wear trousers
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I wouldn't want to work for an airline that allowed girlies to wear trousers because it would take away some of the fun and flirting
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Skirts, Trousers, Waistcoats, Kilts, Lederhosen, TuTu's - Who cares? A woman worth spending any amount of time with will always know what works best for her, both in terms of looks and practicality.
It's the woman inside the uniform that matters!!
It's the woman inside the uniform that matters!!
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I too, like flyblue, prefer trousers. I have to admit that they're much more comfortable, the old tray-style service is easier as you can bend to take meals in and out correctly, thinking of the health of your back without worrying that you might show your underpants!!!!
In an evacuation, I'd rather have trousers.Imagine in a ditching situation!!! For medical emergencies too trousers are more practical. That's why during recurrent AVMed training in BA they ask us to go wearing jeans!!!!
I have 2xskirts and 2xtrousers and alternate depending on the weather but trousers have definitely changed my life at work, really.
Starting from the morning when I don't have to worry about a very small hole in the tights that could become massive to having only one cold during the whole winter last year!!!! (I don't do boy-scout scarves though!!)
BA trousers look really smart on most of the crew.
Besides Flyblue is right, we're not doing this job just to have a good time, or are we....
And let's tell the truth, if you're flirtatious you probably won't need to show your legs to get what you want! So whether you wear trousers or skirt is irrelevant. And not all uniform skirts are flattering anyway!!!
On top of that most of the (healthy) CC-F/D banter is done in other ways! If instead it's something else you're looking for while at work, you're probably writing in the wrong forum!!!!!!!
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In an evacuation, I'd rather have trousers.Imagine in a ditching situation!!! For medical emergencies too trousers are more practical. That's why during recurrent AVMed training in BA they ask us to go wearing jeans!!!!
I have 2xskirts and 2xtrousers and alternate depending on the weather but trousers have definitely changed my life at work, really.
Starting from the morning when I don't have to worry about a very small hole in the tights that could become massive to having only one cold during the whole winter last year!!!! (I don't do boy-scout scarves though!!)
BA trousers look really smart on most of the crew.
Besides Flyblue is right, we're not doing this job just to have a good time, or are we....
And let's tell the truth, if you're flirtatious you probably won't need to show your legs to get what you want! So whether you wear trousers or skirt is irrelevant. And not all uniform skirts are flattering anyway!!!
On top of that most of the (healthy) CC-F/D banter is done in other ways! If instead it's something else you're looking for while at work, you're probably writing in the wrong forum!!!!!!!
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I think Trousers go well with certain uniforms and wouldnt work with some uniforms.Look at the New BA uniform.The trousers look very nice and probaly just as good as the skirt.The new uniform minus the stupid new hat has definately brought BA up the list in Uniforms.BA seems to have started recruiting alot of younger staff as well.This maybe because alot of Virgin/BMI are making the jump over and this could be why.
Looking at the Virgin Uniform I cant see how they could build Trousers into the Uniform at Virgin for the women and the uniform image(which is alot of what Virgin is about) be affected.Plus during the winter if Trousers was an option then the women wouldnt be able to wear the boots with the trousers.Cant visualise IFBT wearing trousers? Would it be white trousers? Cant see it myself.Much better looking the Virgin Uniform now than to put trousers in.
BMI or Midland as I still call it.Having worked at Heathrow for 4 1/2 years as Security then I got to know quite a few Midland Dispatchers and saw a few of them in the different uniforms over that time.The summer dress,change form the diamond Blouse to the Pale blue which is the current one now.Making trousers Standard for female Dispatchers rather than making them walk around the stands in the standard midland skirt which was limiting to say the least.1 friend I saw in all the different uniforms and she looked the best in the trousers of them all.I have always had a thing for women in Trouser Suits though so that is probaly why but she always looked amazing what ever she wore
I must admit I like the BMI Uniform as it is at the moment.They have a hat that doesnt look stupid like most of them and with the gloves & stockings then it looks very professional.The weather this year has been pretty mild here but you do feel for them when its -1 sometimes early morning and they still cant wear the stockings part of the uniform until the winter uniform regulations kick in.
As been said on this thread already it depends on the person as to whether trousers look good or not.From Talking with Friends in the Airport we agree that Virgin and BMI have the best uniforms and are equal 1st then Air New Zealand.BA has moved up with the new uniform but still behind BMI/Virgin.This rating is on Uniforms seen as not seen them all.
Award for the worst uniform would have to go to Aviance and those light Blue trousers and no option for a skirt either.What were they thinking
From a safety point of view then trousers give you far more protection and moveability.I would have to see a before and after photo to be able to give a fully informed decision as to the look
1st Post so thought would make it a good one
Looking at the Virgin Uniform I cant see how they could build Trousers into the Uniform at Virgin for the women and the uniform image(which is alot of what Virgin is about) be affected.Plus during the winter if Trousers was an option then the women wouldnt be able to wear the boots with the trousers.Cant visualise IFBT wearing trousers? Would it be white trousers? Cant see it myself.Much better looking the Virgin Uniform now than to put trousers in.
BMI or Midland as I still call it.Having worked at Heathrow for 4 1/2 years as Security then I got to know quite a few Midland Dispatchers and saw a few of them in the different uniforms over that time.The summer dress,change form the diamond Blouse to the Pale blue which is the current one now.Making trousers Standard for female Dispatchers rather than making them walk around the stands in the standard midland skirt which was limiting to say the least.1 friend I saw in all the different uniforms and she looked the best in the trousers of them all.I have always had a thing for women in Trouser Suits though so that is probaly why but she always looked amazing what ever she wore
I must admit I like the BMI Uniform as it is at the moment.They have a hat that doesnt look stupid like most of them and with the gloves & stockings then it looks very professional.The weather this year has been pretty mild here but you do feel for them when its -1 sometimes early morning and they still cant wear the stockings part of the uniform until the winter uniform regulations kick in.
As been said on this thread already it depends on the person as to whether trousers look good or not.From Talking with Friends in the Airport we agree that Virgin and BMI have the best uniforms and are equal 1st then Air New Zealand.BA has moved up with the new uniform but still behind BMI/Virgin.This rating is on Uniforms seen as not seen them all.
Award for the worst uniform would have to go to Aviance and those light Blue trousers and no option for a skirt either.What were they thinking
From a safety point of view then trousers give you far more protection and moveability.I would have to see a before and after photo to be able to give a fully informed decision as to the look
1st Post so thought would make it a good one
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I don't agree that certain uniforms work with trousers, to me adding them in to any female cc uniform makes it less smart and professional. Not only don't trousers suit most female figures (except perhaps jeans) but unless you're going to go down the route of someone like Aviance and make them compulsory (which IMHO is sexist - can you imagine the fuss if a company made men wear skirts!) there's always the problem of there being two types of uniform (a contradiction in terms).
Until a year ago I worked for VS so I've worn the uniform and I think it's the best in the business. The VS girls are generally young, good looking and quite focused on the glamour/sex appeal of the job - lots of shagging pilots etc. I think there'd be a lot of resistance from them, never mind the pax, if anyone suggested bringing in a trouser option.
All this business about skirts being cold for the winter is a joke really - it's all down to what you're used to. Before I left VS (I married and wanted to switch to short haul with few stopovers) I frequently flew into JFK. New York which can be frigging cold in the winter but I never had a problem with 10 denier stockings or tights because I hardly ever got to wear trousers, so my legs were used to the cold.
Rescue 137 obviously has a thing for women in trouser suits, but in my experience most guys prefer girls in skirts. That being so, I think most girls feel better about themselves wearing them.
Until a year ago I worked for VS so I've worn the uniform and I think it's the best in the business. The VS girls are generally young, good looking and quite focused on the glamour/sex appeal of the job - lots of shagging pilots etc. I think there'd be a lot of resistance from them, never mind the pax, if anyone suggested bringing in a trouser option.
All this business about skirts being cold for the winter is a joke really - it's all down to what you're used to. Before I left VS (I married and wanted to switch to short haul with few stopovers) I frequently flew into JFK. New York which can be frigging cold in the winter but I never had a problem with 10 denier stockings or tights because I hardly ever got to wear trousers, so my legs were used to the cold.
Rescue 137 obviously has a thing for women in trouser suits, but in my experience most guys prefer girls in skirts. That being so, I think most girls feel better about themselves wearing them.
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Well spotted EmmaB-I do have a thing for women in Trouser Suits
For me though I would have to say that I would have to see the same woman in trousers version of the Uniform and the Skirt version.The 2 uniforms Ive seen with women wearing trousers are both dark coloured (BA and BMI) and they look professional.If Virgin was to do trousers then would they keep with the red and make the trousers red?If so then I dont think red trousers would go well with the current Virgin Uniform.If they went for the dark colured trousers like on the Male Uniform then it wouldnt look right red blazer & black or dark blue trousers.
I think the Virgin Uniform is one of the best and cant see that still being said if trousers were introduced or a complete rehaul of the uniform.Cant believe what the old Virgin Uniform looked like
However if a good looking woman is wearing trousers then you tend to look at her rather than her legs attracting you and then looking at the rest if you know what I mean. Have to say that Air New Zealand(thank god they got rid of that stupid bowler hat) & BMI are up there with Virgin for the Top 3 Uniforms.
For me though I would have to say that I would have to see the same woman in trousers version of the Uniform and the Skirt version.The 2 uniforms Ive seen with women wearing trousers are both dark coloured (BA and BMI) and they look professional.If Virgin was to do trousers then would they keep with the red and make the trousers red?If so then I dont think red trousers would go well with the current Virgin Uniform.If they went for the dark colured trousers like on the Male Uniform then it wouldnt look right red blazer & black or dark blue trousers.
I think the Virgin Uniform is one of the best and cant see that still being said if trousers were introduced or a complete rehaul of the uniform.Cant believe what the old Virgin Uniform looked like
However if a good looking woman is wearing trousers then you tend to look at her rather than her legs attracting you and then looking at the rest if you know what I mean. Have to say that Air New Zealand(thank god they got rid of that stupid bowler hat) & BMI are up there with Virgin for the Top 3 Uniforms.