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Well .....as qfcsm thought ' the no vote is gaining momentum'
guess he/ she/' it' (maybe a tranny???) was wrong ...
Gee qfcsm .... you were so opposed to the the new EBA, we can only presume you cannot work under the new conditions???
Do us all a favour - resign ...
I am SO sick of working with whinging crew ....
get a real 9-5 job qfcsm ... work out what you would really get paid for a 23 hour week in the 9-5 workforce.
My last few flights, I am so over the crew I work with .... whinge, whinge, whinge .... if half of them had to see what a 40 hr week pays them (with their 'skills' ) in the real workforce .... well they might think themselves a bit fortunate...
I am crew, but yet---- so over the whinging idiots I work with ( Oh and yeah - I worked before cabin crew .... 52 hours a week for less than I earn now)...
Get over it .... we aint so special.... it aint brain surgery .... so 'deal'
and if you dont like it just f**king quit .... why stay on if you hate it so much?
I am more embarrassed by the crew I work with, than any 'service cuts' the company has made.
guess he/ she/' it' (maybe a tranny???) was wrong ...
Gee qfcsm .... you were so opposed to the the new EBA, we can only presume you cannot work under the new conditions???
Do us all a favour - resign ...
I am SO sick of working with whinging crew ....
get a real 9-5 job qfcsm ... work out what you would really get paid for a 23 hour week in the 9-5 workforce.
My last few flights, I am so over the crew I work with .... whinge, whinge, whinge .... if half of them had to see what a 40 hr week pays them (with their 'skills' ) in the real workforce .... well they might think themselves a bit fortunate...
I am crew, but yet---- so over the whinging idiots I work with ( Oh and yeah - I worked before cabin crew .... 52 hours a week for less than I earn now)...
Get over it .... we aint so special.... it aint brain surgery .... so 'deal'
and if you dont like it just f**king quit .... why stay on if you hate it so much?
I am more embarrassed by the crew I work with, than any 'service cuts' the company has made.
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galley_gossiper you wouldnt be a whinger by any chance would you? Oh no of course not just whinging like a little baby about the awful crew you have to endure. Here's a tip if you dont like it QUIT!! Go and find yourself a 9-5 job with NO whinges, here I will give you a grand if you ever find such a place.
Get a life and get over yourself and thats right YOU are not that special!!
Get a life and get over yourself and thats right YOU are not that special!!
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And on the same day the complacent QF crew voted Yes to this nonsense of an EBA...the company screwed us again....this time taking away Jakarta and Manilla flights (for Y/C crew) and handing them to the Kiwi overseas base.
Yes doing the right thing by QF really gets us a result. Amazingly this was news was told to is by the FAAA and they didn't have a word of complaint about it!
What next A/O going to Rome on 743's? - Watch out, its might just happen.
Yes doing the right thing by QF really gets us a result. Amazingly this was news was told to is by the FAAA and they didn't have a word of complaint about it!
What next A/O going to Rome on 743's? - Watch out, its might just happen.
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Australian Airlines new EBA
The new EBA for AO is currently being negotiated and expires Dec 31 2004. This is just one idea the company has put forward forward for the EBA.
Australian Airlines wants to remove the current EBA restriction of
flying only 767 aircraft and flying within a 4 hour time zone east or west of CNS. We believe these restrictions are not realistic for an agreement that will last for three years. The Company wants to be in the best position possible to pursue new flying and research new routes to ensure our long-term viability.
· As part of this change Australian Airlines will guarantee a minimum
period at home base of 48 hours and two local nights for a tour of
duty involving east west flying exceeding a four-hour time zone change in
one direction. If Australian Airlines ever did consider flying to
Europe, we would also consider whether additional home rest was required.
· Australian Airlines has also offered to increase the current cap on
redundancy payments from 6 weeks to 15 weeks (that is, five years
service at three weeks per year of service).
Australian Airlines wants to remove the current EBA restriction of flying on 767 aircraft
Australian Airlines wants to remove the current EBA restriction of
flying only 767 aircraft and flying within a 4 hour time zone east or west of CNS. We believe these restrictions are not realistic for an agreement that will last for three years. The Company wants to be in the best position possible to pursue new flying and research new routes to ensure our long-term viability.
· As part of this change Australian Airlines will guarantee a minimum
period at home base of 48 hours and two local nights for a tour of
duty involving east west flying exceeding a four-hour time zone change in
one direction. If Australian Airlines ever did consider flying to
Europe, we would also consider whether additional home rest was required.
· Australian Airlines has also offered to increase the current cap on
redundancy payments from 6 weeks to 15 weeks (that is, five years
service at three weeks per year of service).
Australian Airlines wants to remove the current EBA restriction of flying on 767 aircraft
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Let's weigh this up:
We get 3% - so does the rest of QF
We get ability to change staff travel beneficiary every 6 months - so does the rest of QF (from 4 Jan 05)
We get a free ticket to London for 1 person - try and get on a flight
We get a cap of 870 on overseas bases - only 100 or so Aust base crew are going to LHR so the UK recruitment will be huge and will include CSS and CSM positions!
And this was a good deal??
More like good luck!!
And if you think there aren't more little tricks and traps in that EBA, think again. QF employs far smarter people than the FAAA do - the evidence so far is abundantly clear.
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We get 3% - so does the rest of QF
We get ability to change staff travel beneficiary every 6 months - so does the rest of QF (from 4 Jan 05)
We get a free ticket to London for 1 person - try and get on a flight
We get a cap of 870 on overseas bases - only 100 or so Aust base crew are going to LHR so the UK recruitment will be huge and will include CSS and CSM positions!
And this was a good deal??
More like good luck!!
And if you think there aren't more little tricks and traps in that EBA, think again. QF employs far smarter people than the FAAA do - the evidence so far is abundantly clear.
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QFCSM,
Don`t keep us in suspense, elaborate as to what these "tricks and traps are.This EBA was and is essentially about damage control.The time for action was last year.88% of your colleagues appear to disagree with you.
As has been said elsewhere...THERE IS NO YOU IN QANTAS.Get used to it.You still have a well paid job
Don`t keep us in suspense, elaborate as to what these "tricks and traps are.This EBA was and is essentially about damage control.The time for action was last year.88% of your colleagues appear to disagree with you.
As has been said elsewhere...THERE IS NO YOU IN QANTAS.Get used to it.You still have a well paid job
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I totally agree with you that this still is a good well paid job - no argument! And I am "used to it" and would like to keep it that way.
This thread was about a bad deal, not a bad job, and the people who gave it to us.
It was about an abandoned oportunity to do a "better deal" and trying to make crew aware of that opportunity.
I say 'was' because as you point out, 88% of crew voted for it. That's the way democracy works. I just hope that sometime in the future people look back at the EBA7 wreckage and learn for the next one. But I guess that it truly wishful thinking!
Merry Christmas
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This thread was about a bad deal, not a bad job, and the people who gave it to us.
It was about an abandoned oportunity to do a "better deal" and trying to make crew aware of that opportunity.
I say 'was' because as you point out, 88% of crew voted for it. That's the way democracy works. I just hope that sometime in the future people look back at the EBA7 wreckage and learn for the next one. But I guess that it truly wishful thinking!
Merry Christmas
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Last Year
You just don`t get it.....LAST YEAR!!!! LAST YEAR!!! was the time to take action.The bending over was done LAST YEAR.EBA6 was voted up LAST YEAR.Greg Broome, Johanna Brem and Troy Warner allowed you to be "done over"and no one has had one word of explanation from them.
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What the **** are you talking about???
Not sure if you have a calendar close by but it is now 2004 and we have just voted on EBA SEVEN, read SEVEN!
Are you going to complain about EBA 1,2,3,4 and 5 too...
Fact is the EBA is done and buried and we will now live with the headache from it.
It's Christmas eve and I have a hangover and as far as I'm concerned this thread is finished.
See you out there - then again I probably won't as all the crew I will be flying with will be from overseas bases or shorthaul... !!!!
Not sure if you have a calendar close by but it is now 2004 and we have just voted on EBA SEVEN, read SEVEN!
Are you going to complain about EBA 1,2,3,4 and 5 too...
Fact is the EBA is done and buried and we will now live with the headache from it.
It's Christmas eve and I have a hangover and as far as I'm concerned this thread is finished.
See you out there - then again I probably won't as all the crew I will be flying with will be from overseas bases or shorthaul... !!!!
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Biscut is exact on the mark. Transfer more and more flying to AO then QF will tell crew we have no flying for you, VR will be offered, leave without pay (they are already offereing this for 6-12 months now). Crew will quit of be offered transfers to AO on their pay and conditions. Once QF had achieved this they will start rebranding AO flights back to QF.
They have won and 88% of brainless crew helped them do it. Last night one girl told me she voted yes because she will get a free flight to London EVERY year. She was very disappointed when I told her it was one flight of the life of the EBA (3yrs). Lovely girl but she had not questioned the EBA at all.
One part of the EBA still has me amazed. Its reads : The company commits to ensuring no more that 870 full time employess will be based overseas..what the? Does anyone else see the problem with this?
Happy Christmas to all except the QF and FAAA visitors.
They have won and 88% of brainless crew helped them do it. Last night one girl told me she voted yes because she will get a free flight to London EVERY year. She was very disappointed when I told her it was one flight of the life of the EBA (3yrs). Lovely girl but she had not questioned the EBA at all.
One part of the EBA still has me amazed. Its reads : The company commits to ensuring no more that 870 full time employess will be based overseas..what the? Does anyone else see the problem with this?
Happy Christmas to all except the QF and FAAA visitors.
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QFCSM
EBA 6 was where the overseas base clause was inserted and date limited.The terms and conditions under EBA6 lead us to problems we have now.Get it????EBA7 was about controlling the damage done under EBA6.If you need further explanation read the EBA 6 on the web.If you need further assistance my 5 year old will explain it to you.We should not have agreed to be EBA6.Then was the time for industrial action when we had the upper hand.Now is too late as you are vaguely aware.
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