BA cabin crew over the limits - Helsinki
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BA cabin crew over the limits - Helsinki
The BA morning A320 HEL-LHR was cancelled today 09OCT, when Finnish police picked 2 senior flight attendants off the plane after they had exceeded limits in alcohol breath scans. The FA's will reportedly be released after questioning. Reported by Helsinki daily Helsingin Sanomat and Finnish news agency STT.
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What is it about Helsinki anyway.?? After the last time, you would have thought that nightstop crew would be whiter than white....or did cabin Crew feel that they would not be the subject of attentive interest whatever surveillance they were under.?
Did the breathaliser bobbies randomly select the first crew they could find, or were they a bit more selective.? Anybody, anywhere these days, but particularly Helsinki would be well advised to start hitting the Soda Pop when on Night stop.
It's the minimum acceptable to passengers, and to other Crew Members. As far as I am concerned, I have no problem with an over the limit Hospitality employee in a hotel. I DO have a problem when they happen to be vital Safety employees also, on board an RPT aircraft.
Methinks there is someone out there watching BA Crew in HEL.
Did the breathaliser bobbies randomly select the first crew they could find, or were they a bit more selective.? Anybody, anywhere these days, but particularly Helsinki would be well advised to start hitting the Soda Pop when on Night stop.
It's the minimum acceptable to passengers, and to other Crew Members. As far as I am concerned, I have no problem with an over the limit Hospitality employee in a hotel. I DO have a problem when they happen to be vital Safety employees also, on board an RPT aircraft.
Methinks there is someone out there watching BA Crew in HEL.
Controversial, moi?
Stone them, stone them for they are sinners.
God what a sterile, rulebound, tedious and officious environment we are living in. Let me guess they could barely stand up, were bleary eyed and incoherent or perhaps not.
Let's have a public hanging anyway.
The Finnish alcohol limits which apply to flight crew are, 0.0 pro-mille, no booze within 12 hours prior to operating.
How very realistic the 0.0 limit is, especially for a country renowned for the sobriety of its citizens.
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God what a sterile, rulebound, tedious and officious environment we are living in. Let me guess they could barely stand up, were bleary eyed and incoherent or perhaps not.
Let's have a public hanging anyway.
The Finnish alcohol limits which apply to flight crew are, 0.0 pro-mille, no booze within 12 hours prior to operating.
How very realistic the 0.0 limit is, especially for a country renowned for the sobriety of its citizens.
Edited to make more sense.
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Are we talking another bus/van driver who smelled alcohol on the crew as he/she was taking them from the hotel to the airport and called the police? I don't know this for a fact, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe BA overnights at Helsinki. On the other hand, who would be stupid enough to hit the airport bar with a short turnaround, if that's the case. On the third hand, if they started popping miniatures while waiting for the fresh load of pax, who would know? Remember, the Finnair pilot accused recently of being drunk or over the limit, was cleared.
Controversial, moi?
Nightstopping crew.
What are you smoking?
On the other hand, who would be stupid enough to hit the airport bar with a short turnaround, if that's the case. On the third hand, if they started popping miniatures while waiting for the fresh load of pax, who would know?
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Can anyone enlighten as to whether it is now confirmed they were over the limit or if it's still an allegation. The BBC headline was a bit naughty says BA crew failed breath test but in actual article it said they were alleged to have failed. (obviously not as good a headline).
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Funny how so many of these incident / articles / TV programmes always seem to feature British Airways isn't it?
You have to wonder are they all alkies, or just plain thick, or combination of both?
You have to wonder are they all alkies, or just plain thick, or combination of both?
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Cleared ?
Remember, the Finnair pilot accused recently of being drunk or over the limit, was cleared.
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VG Nett Et British Airways-fly som skulle fra Helsingfors til London tidlig lørdag, ble seks timer forsinket på grunn av fulle flyvertinner. Det er andre gang på et år at British Airways har problemer med alkohol og besetningen.
Bakkemanskaper fattet mistanke til to flyvertinnene som oppførte seg på en slik måte at de ikke var i stand til å utføre arbeidsoppgavene sine. De ringte politiet som sendte en patrulje som tok alkoholprøver av kvinnene, melder NTB.
British Airways måtte dermed fly inn nye, edru flyvertinner fra Storbritannia. Flyet fra Helsingfors ble dermed seks timer forsinket.
Bakkemanskaper fattet mistanke til to flyvertinnene som oppførte seg på en slik måte at de ikke var i stand til å utføre arbeidsoppgavene sine. De ringte politiet som sendte en patrulje som tok alkoholprøver av kvinnene, melder NTB.
British Airways måtte dermed fly inn nye, edru flyvertinner fra Storbritannia. Flyet fra Helsingfors ble dermed seks timer forsinket.
Ground crew got suspicious of the FAs when they behaved in a manner seemingly unable to carry out their duties. They called the police who sent out a patroll and tested the women for alcohol.
BA had to fly in new sober FAs from Great Britain. The flight from Helsinki was thus delayed for six hours.
While VG is a somewhat tabloid newspaper not known foremost for the care which it takes in presenting a balanced story, it tends to get the facts fairly right.
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PROFESSIONAL eh
Don't they do a great job of presenting us as an industry, don't they provide a superb level for us all to aspire to?
Their sober colleagues must be so ashamed.......or will it always be explained as a BA witch-hunt, as an Industry wide problem, or as over-zealous Finns? Sit back and watch them defend the indefensible - you can always tell BA Flight Crew, but you can't tell them much!
PROFESSIONAL eh
Don't they do a great job of presenting us as an industry, don't they provide a superb level for us all to aspire to?
Their sober colleagues must be so ashamed.......or will it always be explained as a BA witch-hunt, as an Industry wide problem, or as over-zealous Finns? Sit back and watch them defend the indefensible - you can always tell BA Flight Crew, but you can't tell them much!
Well done guys -at the first opportunity you sanctimonious sados have a go at Big Airways without considering what the bright young things on your aircraft, might have been up to the night before.
There are no excuses for what alledgedly happened in HEL but only when the Locos start doing Scandinavian nightstops, with 5AM reports, and are seen to be whiter than white, will you have the right to adopt the moral highground - until then wind your necks in.
There are no excuses for what alledgedly happened in HEL but only when the Locos start doing Scandinavian nightstops, with 5AM reports, and are seen to be whiter than white, will you have the right to adopt the moral highground - until then wind your necks in.
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'Ground crew got suspicious of the FAs when they behaved in a manner seemingly unable to carry out their duties. '
More like the ground crew were jealous of the FAs and so thought they would gr#ss them up.
More like the ground crew were jealous of the FAs and so thought they would gr#ss them up.
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That is a bit unfair too, wouldn't you think? Without reference to the Helsinki matter (which we don't know anything about for sure), what would you do if you were Ground and noticed someone in a crew acting "in a manner seemingly unable to carry out you duties"? I think it is a responsability to let an A/C depart without doing anything in that situation. And I don't think you would cry wolf without strong suspicion. As crew, I'd rather go through the hassle of being tested and found negative a few times than let any aircraft depart with a crew under the influence, with all the consequences it may have