Astraeus for the summer? opinions please

[flyblue]

You have been extemely unlucky. I fly BA frequently and never experienced the mood you describe.
But that was not the topic of the thread, so....

[titmitch]

well said flyblue.
I have to say the ba uniform is very smart.
But back tyo the point in hand. its funny how the peoplei paid compliments to have responded back
Like i said before, lets not turn this forum into bitch fest.

[London Jets]

Has anyone established whether Floaty has actually worked for AEU, he/she seems to avoid the question. Just a minor point I thought I'd mention.

titmitch I hope you were not refering to me with your last post! Anyway lets keep it positive guys and girls!!

LJ

[Trol E Doll]

If you do a search for all postings by Floaty, you can see an Autralian who came to UK, worked for First Choice, then appears to have possibly moved to BA.


In June she posted ....

I left Air2000 recently and decided to treat myself a little... so I got a job with that airline displaying a blue and red ribbon thingy on the aircraft' tail... you know the one, don't you?...

and then a few weeks later posted...

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Finally, I was thinking about Virgin Atlantic.

quickly followed by

No risk FBW! I got rejected by Virgin... I wasn't virgin enough I guess

Why that qualifies her to pass the sort of comments posted on this thread on Astraeus, GB airways and the various other airlines she has taken a pop at is open to debate.

[London Jets]

Trol E Doll

So basically Floaty has never worked for Astraeus. That figures as She has no clue as to what She is writing about. I would like to see what Her response is now!!!! So basically, Floaty came here, worked for First Choice and we don't know where She works now. With an attitude like She has it does seem surprising that anyone would turn her down, don't you think!!!!

LJ

BTW, Trol E Doll are you at AEU as well?

[titmitch]

hi london jets. No i wasn't refering to you.
Floaty sounds like a bitter person who obviously didn't have a
nice time at her previous airline.

[flybywire]

Hi....
I don't want to go on for hours and hours, but I thought I would clarify a few points.
Floaty is actually a friend of mine, isn't Australian, worked at First Choice with me for over a year and yes she was bitter when she resigned, but I tell you 99% of people who worked for that company have become bitter! I used to love this job and first choice (better, the cabin crew managers and the way we were treated as "easy replaceable rather than valued assets to be retained and developed") made me really angry at times, so much that I wasn't able to sleep during my night SBYs for the fear of having to face another flight in the pink and fluffy world.
My enthusiasm is back thanks to British Airways and so is Floaty's.

She's starting with BA soon too and it's true she applied to some airlines and was succesful with some and not succesful with others. She's a lovely girl, I admit sometimes her tongue expresses her ideas with a not too happy choice of words, but she doens't mean bad. She's very spontaneous (maybe too much) and she just tells what she perceives to be the truth.
Everybody does that, using different ways. We all have our personalities.

Please I would love not to see any personal attacks on this forum. I know I am not the moderator but it's not nice for me to read of people at each other's throat all the time.
She might be wrong about Astraeus, I don't know anything about the company (apart from the 757: it used to be air2000's then went to av8air and it's not in a good condition! ) but if she is and you think you're right, why attack her? She's just expressing her opinion or, as I said, what she perceives to be the truth.
Why attack HER? Why don't you simply prove the contrary of what she says?

Take care and don't spend time worrying about her life too much...if you knew her you'd probably like her anyway...she's fun!!

Ciao

FBW

(no hard feelings please!! )

[aeulad]

757 is not in good condition!

G-OAVB is in sound aeronautical condition. The cabin IS a little tired looking, but it is operated with 36 inches of legroom and the passengers love it!

Regards

Mike

[London Jets]

flybywire

I have no problems in people airing thier opinions at all. The problem I have is with people who have clearly no clue as to what they are talking about. Sometimes people believe that thier opinion is the truth - especially if they keep expressing it. What I don't understand is how someone who has never worked for Astraeus can put them down and slag them off? Maybe she got turned down by them? Or perhaps she turned them down? But having never worked for them how can she talk about them? whether it is positive or negative she can't give any accurate opinion can she?

I hope that She is a nice person, and as you say if I ever met her I may well like her, but from what I know of her I'm afraid I have judged her on what I perceive to be the truth. I hope that I am wrong, but I'm afraid she has not done herself any favours.

For your information, I have flown for 6 years now, and my flying career to date is as follows, British Airways short haul and then long haul, made redundant from BA after 9-11, and then I joined European Aviation Air Charter, from where I was made redundant again - along with 560 other staff, yes I admit I am bitter about it, but not about the company, I loved EAAC and the people I worked with. I have joined Astraeus this year.

LJ

[flybywire]

LJ, I accept your opinion and I don't disagree with it.
What I would love to see though is good examples about AEU, I would love to read of things that prove the opposite of what she, or anybody else, might say.
I know nothing about AEU and for me all this is quite confusing.

As for your flying career, I am really sorry you've been part of the future size and shape evictions and of the fall of European.
I am bitter about FCA and so is she, not because we were made redundant (we left by our own choice and couldn't wait to do so, JUST because we've been treated like s**t.

So many management problem at FCA, if I told you the story, which is the reason why I left, the stress their incapability of handling that situation put me under, you would go and sue them straight away. In fact, I think I might do that myself.

Maybe you're right, I am not bitter,I know I am right as per the law and I am angry!!!

As for Floaty, just ignore her comments if you find them irritating.....or as I said before, please give us some good examples about AEU!!!!!!!!! The aviation industry is in such a shape we really need some positive thoughts.

Ciao

FBW

[ladies and gentlemen]

Well flybywire you asked for something positive about AEU, Here goes. I joined AEU on the first course as main crew and then got Senior offered on the course. I had the privelage of operating on the C.A.A proving flight then became a clasroom instructor with the company. I no longer work for the company so my opinions are not biased at all. from the interview day I found the company to be nothing but professional. The management team and cabin crew manager at the time all worked extremely hard to create an airline with an extremely good product and and above all an excellent safety culture.

[titmitch]

Hi FBW
I've been with Astraeus since Jan 2003. And in that time I've seen the company increase in size quite dramatically. Yes some of the routes aren't like your usual but thats what makes it that little bit more exciting
I think that for a company that is only 2 and half years old we're doing very well. Keep up the good work guys
As for people, including myself, that have made comments about floaty it is simply because she made comments on something she actually knows nothing about. Thats like coming on here and slatting BA when I've never worked for them.
As for the aircraft The rear galley is small, but it we have had a 36 inch seat pitch put in and its not a bad aircraft to work on

[titmitch]

pat mustard just to let you know that all the crew are bonded for £600 when they first start and are informed of this, if you choose to leave before your temporay contract is up then you have to pay it, but people are told about this. And as for other airlines you must always load the flights that are doing long haul so no wonder the crew are happy. If the crew really were not happy when they got on board then it would reflect on the passengers and it doesn't.

[Doors to Manual]

patmustard, you say on this thread that you work on the ground for a lot of different airlines. You say on the thread in the main forum about MyTravel redundancies that you work on the A320/A330 for MyTravel at Gatwick. Which is it?

Given this mismatch, innocent bystanders could be forgiven for thinking that the only reason for your post is to cause trouble. Why?

I've never worked for AEU but have a number of friends there. Although the grass may always be greener elsewhere, what they've said of AEU is generally a very different story to the one that you are telling. Their 757 is permanent and all of my friends there said the training was better than other airlines that they'd worked for.

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After posting this, patmustard's posting on the MyTravel redundancy thread has suddenly disappeared and re-appeared under another user name - none other than sammyhostie3!!! Did you post under the wrong one of your various user names then? You've already made your views on AEU clear in previous postings under your sammyhostie3 user name, so why are you feeling the need to "dress up" as someone else to come back for another AEU-bashing session? I think you've been caught out, my friend.

[SPFlyer]

Doors to Manuel.....Impressive detective work my friend.

Are you sure you dont work for AEU??. I heard different. I may be far afield but the AEU jungle drums still reach me loud and clear....

[flybywire]

I bet it's just her and her fiance sharing the same computer, with two different usernames.

My boyfriend is a pilot and he's very often on pprune. I sometimes log on, i try to post something only to discover that he didn't log off and his name is showing so I have to log off and log in again with my name.

There wouldn't be anything bad if this is what really happened to sammyhostie3 (always give the benefit of the doubt) but when posts (especially "important" ones) disappear without any explanation...I start smelling burnt.

It's amazing how you feel and want to believe that people are honest only to smash your face onto it after a while.
I think it's just a matter of life, and pprune is surely a world in miniature.

[sammyhostie3]

Hi FBW,

We do indeed share the same PC, and always get our usernames mixes up, so I apologise guys.

Rest assured I will check incredously now before I post!

[flybywire]

Hi SH3 apologies for being a bit harsh but it's happened before some people have filled the forum with posts that belonged to the same person unders different user names just to gain people's attention as well as with other aims.

I know that when people share the same computer it's very easy to get confused-my boyfriend is the lazy type and only rarely logs off. He's the one who doesn't even check his own name when he posts and one day, when I forgot to log off, he posted something about CRM on air2bob site under my name...It was so technical that my ex-colleagues started asking me whether I was studying to become a crm trainer myself

Take care.

Ciao

FBW

[Doors to Manual]

SPFlyer, your profile indicates that you're in Sussex so not that far afield, surely? I have absolutely no idea who you are, so not sure what you're angling at. As for detective work, I just happened to log on and see patmustard's name on the "most recent post" thingy on the login page after reading the post under the same name here...but it had vanished by the time I'd gone back.

I see there appears to be an innocent explanation, but I reserve judgement. Unless you're the geezer running the coffee shop downstairs in Concorde House (patmustard - are you?), I can't think of any ground company which services all of the airlines that patmustard names or would come into contact with their crews, so I maintain my suspicions that patmustard is no-one other than sammyhostie3 having another go.

[Puritan]

patmustard

W.r.t. I work in LGW on the ground for a lot of different airlines and i have found AEU to be one of the worst.

Err, one of the worst for what ?

W.r.t. When the crews turn up for there flts they look so fed up and depressed, a complete change of attitude compared to the other airlines ie;MYT,FCA,MON,EXEL who all seem to be very pleased to work for there airlines.

Uhm, that's a purely subjective opinion ( or are you a psychologist ? ) of which ‘looks can be deceptive’ and of which I feel happy to contradict you because. when I'm in the crew room and / or on the bus on the way out the aircraft and / or onboard the aircraft, the cabin crew are invariably chatting merrily away and seem quite happy to be working at AEU ( and I’ll bet we’ll soon be getting a flood of applicants from MYT ).
That said, and to be fair, some do have the occasional moan-up about the exact same things that all airline crews moan about – typically working too hard ( summer ) or not working enough ( winter ), etc. - but to paint it that they’re all fed-up / depressed is simply not true.

W.r.t. My fiance used to work for AEU, and ended up leaving after a few months because it was so unorganised and had £600 taken out of her last pay packet so be aware!

I very much doubt that it is as you say ( i.e. leaving because AEU was ‘unorganised’ ) wherein if you give us her name I’ll check behind the scenes to see what the real reason was for her leaving ( typically it’s that people can’t or won’t cut the mustard – if you’ll excuse the pun on your nom de plume ); and thanks for reminding people to be ‘aware’ but, needless to say, if one reneges on ones contract ( wherein one assumes your fiancé did read it before she signed it ? ), penalties apply; There, and now I’ve said it too ( again ) !

W.r.t The training isnt very good, how to serve tea and coffee is not the only duties a cabin crew member should be conversent in. The saftey off the pax is top priority and that is what is not taught by AEU. . – ( a bit like spelling at your school ?!..... I digress ).

As yours is 2nd hand view-point, via your fiancé ( somebody who reneged on the contract she signed after only a couple of months ), I fail to understand how you can say this because it totally contradicts what I see 1st hand.
E.g. Prior to every flight the Cabin Crew revisit items pertaining to cabin safety & drills and, empirically, they know their stuff because we’ve had our share of in-flight problems wherein the cabin crew team have been exemplary in their knowledge and execution of the safety drills – as further proved by numerous complementary pax responses to that fact ( not that you’d be aware of that ).

Similarly they have to attend recurrent / refresher / renewal training, as do we pilots, and are periodically assessed ( in flight ) by ‘Cabin Crew Standards Coordinators’.

Furthermore, the whole operational is regularly audited by both our customers and the regulator ( i.e. the CAA ) where these checks have, thus far, resulted in fairly minimal comment / glowing reports w.r.t. the standard that is both set and achieved.

W.r.t. As for the 757 it is only there for a couple of months in the summer.

ROFLOL !!! Actually, the real word on the street is that we might be getting yet more B757’s ! ( … just ask the engineers or the cleaners )

W.r.t. working on a 737 for a 6+ hours with no ife is no fun.

Might I say that there seems to be some muddled thinking here, i.e. what has IFE ( InFlight Entertainment ) got to do with the roll of a cabin crew member ? Surely, as you say, the cabin crew are primarily in the cabin to address the safety of the pax - and not to be watching IFE – you can’t have it both ways can you ?
In any event, by way of analogy, one might similarly imagine that standing under a wing pumping fuel when it’s chucking down and / or windy and / or freezing cold, etc is similarly ‘no fun’ but, hey, not every day is like that, is it ?!

Aside - Our summer season sector length presently averages at 3:47, or thereabouts.