Astraeus for the summer? opinions please
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True,
BUT AEU has copied it word from word!
It makes you feel a bit let down, bit fake.
AEU also coincidentally have the same BOOST and SLOT thingys
that are used in feedback, training etc.
(I cant remember that posh name!)
Fair enough, I know we all sponge off each other, but I dont think BA would approve of people thinking that them and AEU are related somehow!
BUT AEU has copied it word from word!
It makes you feel a bit let down, bit fake.
AEU also coincidentally have the same BOOST and SLOT thingys
that are used in feedback, training etc.
(I cant remember that posh name!)
Fair enough, I know we all sponge off each other, but I dont think BA would approve of people thinking that them and AEU are related somehow!
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Sammy - I’ve just had a look and would agree that the chapter sequence is similar to that of the BA pre-course workbook. However the content is very different, given that Astraeus is a charter airline, e.g. the Astraeus workbook is a lot more detailed with regards operational matters, aircraft / onboard service and FTL’s etc.
Needless to say, the majority of airlines pre-course workbooks incorporate a welcome message, company structure, aircraft terminology, 24 hour clock and aviation terms. I’m sure that you’ll appreciate that it is very difficult to vary this type of information – though I can confirm that the graphics and illustrations in Astraeus’ version are in-house generated.
Furthermore, it happens ( unsurprisingly ) that our cabin crew & flight Operations Manuals are identical to the CAP 650 Specimen AtoB Operations Manuals ( as supplied / pro-forma by the CAA / JAA ) which sets out the required information and, as other airlines follow this format, it does not mean that information therein has been copied ( though sometimes it might be – see my previous post - but wherein it makes no difference ).
Cabin Safety & Training Departments of the majority of UK airlines regularly meet or communicate via e-mail to discuss policy, procedures and development of training, i.e. when it comes to safety and the training of excellent safety standards, there is no competition, as it is something from which we all benefit.
‘Thingys’ as you say ( where I believe the word you’re looking for is ‘acronyms’ ) are very widely used in aviation and other fields, wherein if you pick up any book on ‘Development and Coaching’ the words motivational, developmental, BOOST and SMART will more than likely be included.
It’s interesting to note that you mention ‘SLOT’. Did you also know that this was generated by Astraeus’ very own JH ( when he was at CityFlyer ) wherein BA thought it was a good idea and adopted it as a company wide policy. Astraeus ( & JH ) still think it is a good idea and have the same policy.
You may also be interested to know how closely Astraeus work with BA, e.g. as a rough guide, last year alone, Astraeus paid BA in the region of three quarters of a million £'s for the supply of training resources for its flight & cabin crews – and this figure continues to grow quite substantially due to expansion by both Astraeus and Bond Aviation.
Needless to say, the majority of airlines pre-course workbooks incorporate a welcome message, company structure, aircraft terminology, 24 hour clock and aviation terms. I’m sure that you’ll appreciate that it is very difficult to vary this type of information – though I can confirm that the graphics and illustrations in Astraeus’ version are in-house generated.
Furthermore, it happens ( unsurprisingly ) that our cabin crew & flight Operations Manuals are identical to the CAP 650 Specimen AtoB Operations Manuals ( as supplied / pro-forma by the CAA / JAA ) which sets out the required information and, as other airlines follow this format, it does not mean that information therein has been copied ( though sometimes it might be – see my previous post - but wherein it makes no difference ).
Cabin Safety & Training Departments of the majority of UK airlines regularly meet or communicate via e-mail to discuss policy, procedures and development of training, i.e. when it comes to safety and the training of excellent safety standards, there is no competition, as it is something from which we all benefit.
‘Thingys’ as you say ( where I believe the word you’re looking for is ‘acronyms’ ) are very widely used in aviation and other fields, wherein if you pick up any book on ‘Development and Coaching’ the words motivational, developmental, BOOST and SMART will more than likely be included.
It’s interesting to note that you mention ‘SLOT’. Did you also know that this was generated by Astraeus’ very own JH ( when he was at CityFlyer ) wherein BA thought it was a good idea and adopted it as a company wide policy. Astraeus ( & JH ) still think it is a good idea and have the same policy.
You may also be interested to know how closely Astraeus work with BA, e.g. as a rough guide, last year alone, Astraeus paid BA in the region of three quarters of a million £'s for the supply of training resources for its flight & cabin crews – and this figure continues to grow quite substantially due to expansion by both Astraeus and Bond Aviation.
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Floaty - Have you ever worked for Astraeus?
Puritan - Like your points, very valid. Probably fly with you at some point!
sammyhostie3 - Glad you enjoy it at My Travel, best of luck there. At least you have a positive opinion about them. Astreaus sounds like it has changed a fair bit since you left. When did you leave?
Puritan - Like your points, very valid. Probably fly with you at some point!
sammyhostie3 - Glad you enjoy it at My Travel, best of luck there. At least you have a positive opinion about them. Astreaus sounds like it has changed a fair bit since you left. When did you leave?
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Imho, some of you could do with getting a dictionary and looking up the meaning(s) of a few words, e.g. :
Opinion: n. A belief or assessment based on grounds short of proof.
Statement: n. A thing stated. A declaration. A formal account of the facts.
Let me give you an example; if I were to write:
XYZ airline has 6. No long-haul, 7. No airline benefits, 8. their 757 are the oldest, crapest, cheapest ones available in the UK!
then that is a ‘statement’ about XYZ airline.
The danger is that other people, not privy to the facts, might read any such ‘statement’ and take it at face value.
Of course had there been a prefix such as ‘it is my understanding’ or ‘as far as I am aware, wherein I might be wrong’, etc, this then would move it towards being ‘opinion’ ( nay, subjective opinion ) and ergo any 3rd party might be able to draw the view that there is some room for doubt in what the author has written.
Needless to say, should one actually work for XYZ airline, then one aught to be able to counter any inaccuracies in such a ‘statement’ with the actual facts, so that the true position is clear to all.
You got to be careful what you say, wherein it’s as much about what you say as how you say it.
Opinion: n. A belief or assessment based on grounds short of proof.
Statement: n. A thing stated. A declaration. A formal account of the facts.
Let me give you an example; if I were to write:
XYZ airline has 6. No long-haul, 7. No airline benefits, 8. their 757 are the oldest, crapest, cheapest ones available in the UK!
then that is a ‘statement’ about XYZ airline.
The danger is that other people, not privy to the facts, might read any such ‘statement’ and take it at face value.
Of course had there been a prefix such as ‘it is my understanding’ or ‘as far as I am aware, wherein I might be wrong’, etc, this then would move it towards being ‘opinion’ ( nay, subjective opinion ) and ergo any 3rd party might be able to draw the view that there is some room for doubt in what the author has written.
Needless to say, should one actually work for XYZ airline, then one aught to be able to counter any inaccuracies in such a ‘statement’ with the actual facts, so that the true position is clear to all.
You got to be careful what you say, wherein it’s as much about what you say as how you say it.
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I never posted the words "Not that I am bitter" at the end of my previous post. I have no idea who did that but obviously there are little Gremlins playing on this site. I have deleted that sentence because it doesn't reflect the way I feel.
I have nothing else to say about this airline and I think Puritan has used plenty of space on this topic to defend his opinions, so have I.
Said that, I think PpruNers have seen what they wanted to see. The rest is mostly abusive and none of us need that.
GOODBYE.
FJ
I have nothing else to say about this airline and I think Puritan has used plenty of space on this topic to defend his opinions, so have I.
Said that, I think PpruNers have seen what they wanted to see. The rest is mostly abusive and none of us need that.
GOODBYE.
FJ
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Floaty, just so we're clear. You made statements about the company for whom I work which were plainly untrue - and about which I subsequently corrected you.
It would be nice if you had the good grace to admit that what you wrote was wrong; we live in hope, eh ?!
It would be nice if you had the good grace to admit that what you wrote was wrong; we live in hope, eh ?!
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Well Well Well l I have been watching this post with interest and cannot believe how Negative some of the comments have been. I do speak as an ex AEU employee so do have some experience of the company. I had the fortune to be part of the start up of the company and as any one knows new companys have their teething troubles. ( I once worked for a big airline at LGW and their teething troubles went on for 7 years!!)
Astraeus did not ( and I may be wrong here) and still does not have the luxury of being tied to a holiday company (I think its called vertical intergration) so they are independant and have to go out and fight for their work, per say. This may impact on their in house resources and the effects/benefits to their employees.
I can say hand on heart when I went for the interview the Commercial director, Cabin service MGr and Chief pilot told it how it was. The pay was discussed the work style discussed and all the things that you want to know at interviews was told. I dont think that has changed... certainly didnt when i was part of the recruitment team. We told prospective candidates How it was.....
possibly some people may have "selective information retention"
but thats human nature.
Anyway to get to the point Astraeus was/is a good quality airline and considering how young the company is they have expanded in leaps and bounds and they certainly have a quality product(which admittedly took sometime to instill and maintain ) but they have got there.
I thoroughly enjoyed my time there and experienced some real "old fashioned" flying doing sub-charters, VIP flights and the low cost and high profile stuff that many of the UK airlines dont do any more (thats vertical intergration for you)
My advice to any considering flying for Astraeus is go for it... it will give you a good grounding into aviation and whilst it may not make you a millionaire you will be far richer from the experiences. people and general comaradery that is sadly so lacking in many airlines in the UK.
You may be asking then if it was so fantanstic there why I am an ex employee?
The reason being I had got as far as I could and needed more challenges and opportunities, which I truly believe my Manager understood.
Anyway enough said I feel... Give AEU a try they really are "Stars in the Sky" (copyrighted!!!!!)...
Astraeus did not ( and I may be wrong here) and still does not have the luxury of being tied to a holiday company (I think its called vertical intergration) so they are independant and have to go out and fight for their work, per say. This may impact on their in house resources and the effects/benefits to their employees.
I can say hand on heart when I went for the interview the Commercial director, Cabin service MGr and Chief pilot told it how it was. The pay was discussed the work style discussed and all the things that you want to know at interviews was told. I dont think that has changed... certainly didnt when i was part of the recruitment team. We told prospective candidates How it was.....
possibly some people may have "selective information retention"
but thats human nature.
Anyway to get to the point Astraeus was/is a good quality airline and considering how young the company is they have expanded in leaps and bounds and they certainly have a quality product(which admittedly took sometime to instill and maintain ) but they have got there.
I thoroughly enjoyed my time there and experienced some real "old fashioned" flying doing sub-charters, VIP flights and the low cost and high profile stuff that many of the UK airlines dont do any more (thats vertical intergration for you)
My advice to any considering flying for Astraeus is go for it... it will give you a good grounding into aviation and whilst it may not make you a millionaire you will be far richer from the experiences. people and general comaradery that is sadly so lacking in many airlines in the UK.
You may be asking then if it was so fantanstic there why I am an ex employee?
The reason being I had got as far as I could and needed more challenges and opportunities, which I truly believe my Manager understood.
Anyway enough said I feel... Give AEU a try they really are "Stars in the Sky" (copyrighted!!!!!)...
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So...
So we have come to a conclusion and we understand that:
1) People who work for Astraeus know it is the best airline to work for.
2) People who have left Astraeus know that it is not. (not talking about those who achieved so much they had to leave here)
Maybe we should just not say anything else? Everybody is happy in the end of the day.
It is not like anybody has to prove anything, is it?
1) People who work for Astraeus know it is the best airline to work for.
2) People who have left Astraeus know that it is not. (not talking about those who achieved so much they had to leave here)
Maybe we should just not say anything else? Everybody is happy in the end of the day.
It is not like anybody has to prove anything, is it?
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hi
i worked for astraeus last year and enjoyed working there although i did leave 5 months into the contract and had to pay back 600 even though i hadnt been given a contract from 6 months onwards. nice airline to work for though
i worked for astraeus last year and enjoyed working there although i did leave 5 months into the contract and had to pay back 600 even though i hadnt been given a contract from 6 months onwards. nice airline to work for though
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Give me Freetown over Orlando, NY or Hong Kong ANY DAY!
I went a few weeks back, am off again on Friday and again in July. I have been flying for nearly 3 years now, and FNA has been the best nightstop of my career!
The people are friendly, the local ex-pats more than willing to welcome the crews into their community, the Hotel is fine and the food and drink is dirt cheap!
I was so sad to leave the place after what felt like a holiday, I met some great people, had great fun, swam in the atlantic ocean, ate lobster for peanuts and saw things that made me think how lucky I am! Give me FNA over shopping in NY or partying in OZ anytime, a truly worthwhile and very priveliged experience for the AEU crews!
Regards
Mike
I went a few weeks back, am off again on Friday and again in July. I have been flying for nearly 3 years now, and FNA has been the best nightstop of my career!
The people are friendly, the local ex-pats more than willing to welcome the crews into their community, the Hotel is fine and the food and drink is dirt cheap!
I was so sad to leave the place after what felt like a holiday, I met some great people, had great fun, swam in the atlantic ocean, ate lobster for peanuts and saw things that made me think how lucky I am! Give me FNA over shopping in NY or partying in OZ anytime, a truly worthwhile and very priveliged experience for the AEU crews!
Regards
Mike
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Once again it has been a while since i was last on here, but haven't you all been busy bees!!
FLOATY - I would just like to answer a few of your points. Cabin crew being to scared to let on who they are on this forum is rubbish. Most people who work for AEU know who i am including my managers, also this is supposed to be an annoymous forum so you don't have to let on who you are. Nobody has been sacked for making personnal touches to the PA's. And you obviously haven't been flying that long if you've never heard of flying colours, or that could be my mistake and that you're actually taking the p***!!
SKYCHICK2003 - It doesn't surprise me that you agree with some of the things that floaty ( who has not worked for the company ) says. Whenever i see you name you're not usually saying anything nice.
SWEETY - although your post was short and sweet like yourself i agree with what you put!
PURITAN - If i could see you i would like to shake you by the hand. It is nice to know that someone else can come on here and get there facts right
Just to put everyone in the picture. Yes the 757 we currently have isn't brand spanking new but its also not falling apart either. I've flown on far worse aircraft. W are getting a newer one in the future
I've done 2 freetown trips. They have been very good and wouldn't mind keep doing them. Like has already been said there are nice beaches, food and drink is cheap and the hotel facilities are very good considering where it is.
And finally i would just like to say to those people that aren't happy life is what you make it, if you're not happy then do something to change it
Please don't make this forum as bitter as what the flyjet one was.
FLOATY - I would just like to answer a few of your points. Cabin crew being to scared to let on who they are on this forum is rubbish. Most people who work for AEU know who i am including my managers, also this is supposed to be an annoymous forum so you don't have to let on who you are. Nobody has been sacked for making personnal touches to the PA's. And you obviously haven't been flying that long if you've never heard of flying colours, or that could be my mistake and that you're actually taking the p***!!
SKYCHICK2003 - It doesn't surprise me that you agree with some of the things that floaty ( who has not worked for the company ) says. Whenever i see you name you're not usually saying anything nice.
SWEETY - although your post was short and sweet like yourself i agree with what you put!
PURITAN - If i could see you i would like to shake you by the hand. It is nice to know that someone else can come on here and get there facts right
Just to put everyone in the picture. Yes the 757 we currently have isn't brand spanking new but its also not falling apart either. I've flown on far worse aircraft. W are getting a newer one in the future
I've done 2 freetown trips. They have been very good and wouldn't mind keep doing them. Like has already been said there are nice beaches, food and drink is cheap and the hotel facilities are very good considering where it is.
And finally i would just like to say to those people that aren't happy life is what you make it, if you're not happy then do something to change it
Please don't make this forum as bitter as what the flyjet one was.
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Well put. I joined AEU at the beginning of May and am finding it a great company. I was told all about the company before I came, I did my reaserch on the company and thought it would be the right move for me, so far I am right and I've not looked back.
Look forward to flying with you (if I haven't done already!!)
LJ
Well put. I joined AEU at the beginning of May and am finding it a great company. I was told all about the company before I came, I did my reaserch on the company and thought it would be the right move for me, so far I am right and I've not looked back.
Look forward to flying with you (if I haven't done already!!)
LJ
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LOL! Theres a lot of toys being thrown out of a lot of prams around here!!
Everyone has a right to choose who the work for, and those choices should be respected by everyone.
Just one thing tho - to quote Flymeboy
IT WOULD BE AWFUL IF EVERYONE LOOKED LIKE PEOPLE AT BA
Hmmm, a sweeping generalisation if ever is saw one. What do we all look like at BA then?
Everyone has a right to choose who the work for, and those choices should be respected by everyone.
Just one thing tho - to quote Flymeboy
IT WOULD BE AWFUL IF EVERYONE LOOKED LIKE PEOPLE AT BA
Hmmm, a sweeping generalisation if ever is saw one. What do we all look like at BA then?
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In response! or defence(!)
Hi Guys! What I meant by that comment is everytime I have flown with BA or a BA francise partner/carrier, the crew have ALL looked completely miserable and not wanting to be there and not given the best customer service! But I am sure (or hope) that some BA crew aren't like that!
FMB xxx
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