Australian Airlines
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Australian Airlines
Just wanting to ask any AA crew about Cairns, the aircraft, overnights etc. Thinking of applying!
What's the morale like?
Are the aircraft (B767) new?
Do they have seat back videos?
What service is provided?
How many overnights do you get a roster?
Are you able to bid for flights? for days off?
On a different note - what are the favourite destinations?
Any information shared would be appreciated.
What's the morale like?
Are the aircraft (B767) new?
Do they have seat back videos?
What service is provided?
How many overnights do you get a roster?
Are you able to bid for flights? for days off?
On a different note - what are the favourite destinations?
Any information shared would be appreciated.
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From: Brisbane
AO
The aircraft are not new they are like majorly OLD but on the other hand well maintained. They are leased aircraft from the Qantas fleet. From memory they have the 767-338s please correct me if i am wrong.
There are no seat back videos it's entirely full econonmy service. Just the normal projector screens and headsets. All economy food etc. They have duty free stuff. Very friendly service...your holiday starts as soon as you step onboard the aircraft. The morale is really great fresh and new. The uniform looks alot better in the flesh in fact it's stunning the kangaroo is soooo cute. but doesn't tend to breathe so well in sticky humid places.
Be aware AO do not pay penalties in the first couple of months of traniing. You will have to relocate to CNS at your own expense and find accomodation etc. I think the first couple of months or so are also monthly pay.
Working long haul is great wit this airline most legs are as long as a normal working shift and the timezones does not vary too much.
There are no seat back videos it's entirely full econonmy service. Just the normal projector screens and headsets. All economy food etc. They have duty free stuff. Very friendly service...your holiday starts as soon as you step onboard the aircraft. The morale is really great fresh and new. The uniform looks alot better in the flesh in fact it's stunning the kangaroo is soooo cute. but doesn't tend to breathe so well in sticky humid places.
Be aware AO do not pay penalties in the first couple of months of traniing. You will have to relocate to CNS at your own expense and find accomodation etc. I think the first couple of months or so are also monthly pay.
Working long haul is great wit this airline most legs are as long as a normal working shift and the timezones does not vary too much.
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From: Sydney
I have to agree, aircraft are ex QF B767-338 and not the most modern but easy to operate on. Work is shared almost evenly and op's try to make sure everyone gets a good distribution of destinations. No bidding system as yet.
Best destinations.......
1)....Sabah, cause I havent been there and have heard it's fab.
2)....Bali, hotel is a 10 min drive from airport, great resort but low allowances. Great fun and cheap. Not a money trip but good fun and DVD's are only $2.50
3)....Hong Kong, great night life and allowances, bad rooms
4)....Singapore, chilli crab, shopping and good hotel
5)....Fukuoka, great hotel , 3 day layovers. Make your money here.
6)....Osaka, fab hotel, huge rooms for Japan lots of shopping and food close by, unfortunately a 1 hour bus ride to the hotel. Not nice.
7)....Nagoya, nice quaint hotel, great location, hard beds and pillows, rooms very small. Great party place. Hotel is ok if you like CNN, thats the only english channel you get.
This is only my preference, others may have a different view. edit... took out the hotel names; even though non-specific am very sensitive about naming crew hotels for a variety of reasons. Ta.
Best destinations.......
1)....Sabah, cause I havent been there and have heard it's fab.
2)....Bali, hotel is a 10 min drive from airport, great resort but low allowances. Great fun and cheap. Not a money trip but good fun and DVD's are only $2.50
3)....Hong Kong, great night life and allowances, bad rooms
4)....Singapore, chilli crab, shopping and good hotel
5)....Fukuoka, great hotel , 3 day layovers. Make your money here.
6)....Osaka, fab hotel, huge rooms for Japan lots of shopping and food close by, unfortunately a 1 hour bus ride to the hotel. Not nice.
7)....Nagoya, nice quaint hotel, great location, hard beds and pillows, rooms very small. Great party place. Hotel is ok if you like CNN, thats the only english channel you get.
This is only my preference, others may have a different view. edit... took out the hotel names; even though non-specific am very sensitive about naming crew hotels for a variety of reasons. Ta.
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From: The nearest white sandy beach
Heheh Cart_tart you got it easy!
Our friends at Eastern can be rostered up to 152 hours in a 28 day period with only 8 days off. Usually they are around 120-130 but of course with delays and stuff ups by the end of the 28 days it's up around 140.
I know that AO crew can be rostered up to 125 hours per 28 days, but does anyone know what the usual roster range actually is?
Ta muchly
SG
Our friends at Eastern can be rostered up to 152 hours in a 28 day period with only 8 days off. Usually they are around 120-130 but of course with delays and stuff ups by the end of the 28 days it's up around 140.
I know that AO crew can be rostered up to 125 hours per 28 days, but does anyone know what the usual roster range actually is?
Ta muchly
SG
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Hours/sounds good/reality
Jed_thrust,
Anything other than 160 +hours chained to a desk in monochromatic conservative office environment having to feed the egos of men with equally monochromatic personalities who insist on complaining about how the market's affecting their multitude of investments .....(ad infinitum) SOUNDS GOOD TO ME!!!
Regards,
604chic
Anything other than 160 +hours chained to a desk in monochromatic conservative office environment having to feed the egos of men with equally monochromatic personalities who insist on complaining about how the market's affecting their multitude of investments .....(ad infinitum) SOUNDS GOOD TO ME!!!
Regards,
604chic
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From: Queensland, Australia
If you want to look at AO EBA go to www.faaa.net .. click on Australian airlines section... then click on EBA
Although we can be blocked to a maximum of 125 hours in a 28 day period , in reality it is a lot less...
Quote from EBA 25.2.1
"The total duty hours for any cabin crew shall not exceed 1365 duty hours per annum; this is an average of 105 duty hours per roster..................................."
My last two 28 day rosters have been 94 duty hours (75 stick) and 102 duty hours (79 stick)
sound good to me
Although we can be blocked to a maximum of 125 hours in a 28 day period , in reality it is a lot less...
Quote from EBA 25.2.1
"The total duty hours for any cabin crew shall not exceed 1365 duty hours per annum; this is an average of 105 duty hours per roster..................................."
My last two 28 day rosters have been 94 duty hours (75 stick) and 102 duty hours (79 stick)
sound good to me
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From: Sydney
AO
Hi 604chic
Just to add to the information you are gathering..... I've never worked over 105 hours in 28 days in my last 15 rosters. We also have days that aren't assigned a duty and you may or may not work (it's up to you generally). You can't bid for trips, but you can request a specific block of days home once every 12 weeks. Leave is 4 weeks every 8 months (6 weeks/year).
Red Rat
our 763s aren't "majorly old", they came off the production line in the 90s which in aircraft terms isn't old. There's 737s flying around that were 1980s production a/c
Cart_tart
take it easy girlfriend, don't work too hard if you can help it and remember slippery..... in expensive land
Just to add to the information you are gathering..... I've never worked over 105 hours in 28 days in my last 15 rosters. We also have days that aren't assigned a duty and you may or may not work (it's up to you generally). You can't bid for trips, but you can request a specific block of days home once every 12 weeks. Leave is 4 weeks every 8 months (6 weeks/year).
Red Rat
our 763s aren't "majorly old", they came off the production line in the 90s which in aircraft terms isn't old. There's 737s flying around that were 1980s production a/c
Cart_tart
take it easy girlfriend, don't work too hard if you can help it and remember slippery..... in expensive land
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Yes flitegirl, there are slippery things in expensive land!
I also know that there are loud and excited people there too!
I think you lot have it easy at AO! Oh for your life! I'd love to swan around Sabah for 4 days! Instead i'm stuck doing the do in Paraburdoo!
Eastern sounds like it sux...remind me not to join there!
I also know that there are loud and excited people there too!
I think you lot have it easy at AO! Oh for your life! I'd love to swan around Sabah for 4 days! Instead i'm stuck doing the do in Paraburdoo!
Eastern sounds like it sux...remind me not to join there!
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From: Sydney
Just so the prospect of working 125hrs a month doesn't scare anyone off, I have have never been blocked more than 90. Anyway, if you were to be blocked the 125 cap, so what, you still get your secured days off and if you are flying more it means more $$$ in allowances. Unless they were really under crewed I would find it hard to see anyones roster blocked at 125. My average has been 70-90 hrs.
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From: AUSTRALIA
Cart_tart - I think you should give AO a shot - the Japanese pax would definetley love a "very loud excited girl" at 0300hrs on the way to CNS from KIX. But just watch out for that french lady in the bathrobe and hairrollers - I heard she likes to knock on doors and complain 
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mid assist
"Eveybody is equal at AO (except Cabin Managers) "
As Pauline would say >>> Please explain!
And working hours.. Lets be realistic here.. Try 90something a month for good measure.
9 days plus 2-3 avail/IPD days
"Eveybody is equal at AO (except Cabin Managers) "
As Pauline would say >>> Please explain!
And working hours.. Lets be realistic here.. Try 90something a month for good measure.
9 days plus 2-3 avail/IPD days
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From: MEL via SYD via PER.
Cab Mgr's at Australian
So, is there a perception that F/A and CM's are rostered inequally?? Paid disproportionately?
What's the story?
Thanks to everyone so far for their responses - helped enormously.
What's the story?
Thanks to everyone so far for their responses - helped enormously.
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From: Sydney
ao
guys, guys..... let's not get so pedantic now!
Cabin Managers get paid more (obviously).
But there is no "seniority" or "bidding" among crew regarding rosters.
Sometimes official 2nd language speakers may get rosters with a greater distribution of trips to the countries where their language is needed.... ie hong kong/cantonese
flitegirl, found this post as a "new thread" on the forum. I think you meant it to be here instead, so I merged it in. Hope that was your intention.
Regards
f40
Cabin Managers get paid more (obviously).
But there is no "seniority" or "bidding" among crew regarding rosters.
Sometimes official 2nd language speakers may get rosters with a greater distribution of trips to the countries where their language is needed.... ie hong kong/cantonese
flitegirl, found this post as a "new thread" on the forum. I think you meant it to be here instead, so I merged it in. Hope that was your intention.
Regards
f40
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From: Australia
New destination
I heard today that AO has a new destination......Darwin!
Flying Darwin to Singapore (I believe....can't remember all the details).
Hope you guys get some more exciting destinations soon.
Cheers
Flying Darwin to Singapore (I believe....can't remember all the details).
Hope you guys get some more exciting destinations soon.
Cheers
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From: fnq
yes that is correct vdd.
we will be flying a cns-drw-sin shuttle twice a week from May 2004.
next training school is scheduled for Jan 5th 2004, with another to follow after that ( no confirmed dates as yet ).
good luck all!
L1P
we will be flying a cns-drw-sin shuttle twice a week from May 2004.
next training school is scheduled for Jan 5th 2004, with another to follow after that ( no confirmed dates as yet ).
good luck all!
L1P