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Old 16th Oct 2003, 05:25
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Cabin Crew. Just a job for a few years or a Career???!???

Hey!

I have been Cabin Crew now for nearly 3 years. I can say that I love my job.

I get so annoyed with people that say it is just a thank less job, you can only do it for a few years and then get a real job.

I have a degree in Nursing and I hated being a Nurse, now that was a thankless job.

I see lots of great career moves within an airline.
Such as recruitment and training etc.

At the end of the day we are highly trained safety and service personnel aren't we??????????????????????????

What do you think??
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Old 16th Oct 2003, 06:20
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At the risk of sounding pompous, you do say you have a degree in nursing. How long did that take to complete compared to your cabin crew training? Would you consider cabin crew to be highly trained in comparison?
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Well yes Hand Solo, you do sound pompous - would you give up yr job as a pilot tommorow to become cabin crew - NO.

Probably because you know its b****y hard work - yes it maybe 6 weeks training , but we are no less intelligent than your good self.

You maybe able to bring down 300 tons of aluminium in a gusting x-wind , but on an everyday basis , cabin crew come across a facet of situations that would daunt most people .

They are chosen for the unique qualities built into them - not the ones added on during months/yrs of training.
I guess that swhy the pilots invariably want them to join them on a night out

DON'T undervalue them - If there were no cabin crew , you wouldn't have a job

You have easy days, sometimes we do too, but in general , it is a job that requires a high modicum of flexibilty , good customer service skills, some tech know how and alot more.

If you actually compare what we physically do compared to your good self, well , there is no comparison

And besides, many flight crew are asked to join the cabin crew for disembarkation and actually come face to face with their salary paying customers - i'd sau you were lucky if 10% did

So, just because you qualify yourself as a professional ,doesn't make you any better than the person who brings you your lunch every day
Infact,judging by the conversations held amongst nightstopping crews, i'd say that the cabin crew were a heck of alot happier with their lives in general, or at least at times more exciting
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Well I expected to get at least one response like that. I'm not belittling cabin crew, and you're right I wouldn't trade my job because I'd make lousy cabin crew. But, the question was:

At the end of the day we are highly trained safety and service personnel aren't we??????????????????????????

What do you think??
The only honest answer to that is no! You practically make that point yourself when you say:

They are chosen for the unique qualities built into them - not the ones added on during months/yrs of training.
I'm not saying cabin crew are unskilled, thats just not true, but in the grand scheme of things a 6 week course does not constitute 'highly trained'. Certainly not compared to a nurse, or a copper, or a teacher (flown with all of these recently). The best cabin crew bring personal experience and a level head to the job. Unfortunately 6 weeks of training does not level the field for those who don't already posess those.

Infact,judging by the conversations held amongst nightstopping crews, i'd say that the cabin crew were a heck of alot happier with their lives in general, or at least at times more exciting
I can only conclude you don't work for my mob at LHR - or you get an unhealthy level of excitement from keeping cats!

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Just what do you do, with one hand by yourself ??
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In answer to your question CabinP89 ..... "Highly trained safety and service personnel" .... erm ... I would say not! Perhaps so with the service side of things, all lipstick and smiles but as far as safety is concerned, in a crisis, I wouldnt trust half the cabin crew to save my butt.

When boarding, I do my own check on where the life saving equipment is, nearest exit and all other relevant equipment within the vacinity of my seat .... and that includes the crews PBE ... if need be, I'm gonna get to it first.

A thank less job? Most definately, especially the charter side. Personally it was quite an insight and one that I would chose not to repeat.

Just my opinion and the terms "Trolley Dolly" & "Cart Tart" seem quite apt for a large percentage .... and that comes from one who is ex crew!
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Does it matter? What I mean is, if you enjoy the job then stay and make a career of it. If you don't, or find that it wears thin, then move on. Attempting comparisons with other jobs, and assessing relative worth or value gets you nowhere, fast - you either like it or you don't!

It is certainly true to say that the job is thankless. You will quickly discover that most customers, a few pilots and all of your managers can do your job better than you can, and usually without the benefit of all that expensive training and hard earned experience. This is also true for most other jobs/careers in a front-line, customer facing or operational field, no matter what industry. Life's a bitch.

Personally speaking, I enjoy flying, and always have. I'm paid to chat and smile at babies and view exotic bits of the world that the locals have carpeted in concrete: There's the odd moment of excitement, and mostly the sheer thrill of flying (yes, I know, but I'm weird!). There is more time off than I need in Winter, and less in Summer, but on average, I spend more time with my kids than any other (employed) father I know. The money isn't great, but then it never is anywhere these days - and it would be worth one hell of a lot more if we weren't taxed to the point where our eyes water! In return for all this, I have to sweat over an annual exam, deal with occasional abuse, take the occasional fright, and most commonly of all, wade through the endless BS that the people who own the aircraft see fit to plague my life with. I figure it's a fair swap, more or less, so I'll stay until they eventually find a way to make me redundant.
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Making friends...?

It was brought to my attention that one of our female flight deck recently on a nightstop turned to the cabin crew and asked, "Don't you wish did better at school?"!

This sort of remark is both cruel and ignorant. Many of our cabin crew are well educated, many with degrees in teaching and business studies. Many come to this job out of necessity while others (amongst a multitude of reasons) consider it to be a challenging and rewarding job/career with the opportunity to travel.

Each to their own but what is important is that we respect each other regardless of our position or job. Without respect what hope do we have of pulling together when the s**t hits the fan?

Some people are too opinionated and too quick to judge to be in this industry.
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Old 16th Oct 2003, 20:02
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It's all relative.

My take is that it can be great fun for 12-18 months (max 2 years), but I don't want to be earning £12k for the rest of my life, so no is my answer to the career option. Yes, you could earn more than that with BA, but it's not just a question of the money - the job itself isn't a long-term option for everyone.

However pompous Hand Solo may sound to some of you, I agree with him. My CC course took only 4 weeks, not 6 and compared to the university exams I was subjected to previously, the training/exams at the airline were pretty basic stuff really.

Highly trained: no. Competently trained to do the job at hand: yes.

No offence, just one person's opinion. Each one to their own, I'm not criticising anyone who genuinely loves the job.
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My 2cents worth

For my mind its all relative - I have two degrees (law and jurisprudence) and I have a pilots licence.

However, I'm happily waiting for QF to offer me a job in Cabin Crew.

I could no more do the job of a flight attendant tomorrow without training than a flight attendant could be a lawyer without training - its all relative.

Yep sure you can get paid a lot more elsewhere using your "degree skills" but at the end of the day you gotta love what you do for a living or its all a bit pointless.....

My motto - "Work to live, not live to work".....

And at the risk of being swiped at, its sometimes a little easy to forget that not all can afford a tertiary education or a pilots licence.

Anyway, thats just my thoughts.....
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Whether the job is a job or a career is really up to the individual isn't it?

I initially decided to be a flight attendant "for a year or two". Eleven years and two airlines later I'm still flying. Do I consider myself to be a professional? Yep I sure do. I have been a trainer, a mentor, an instructor, a manager, a colleague and a friend. Five years at uni and a degree later would never have given me those opportunities and experiences.

Add to that I've also seen a lot of the world, stayed at overpriced hotels for virtually nothing, travelled First Class on almost every major international carrier and been offloaded in a foreign speaking country at 2am in the morning. How could I get that experience by just being a nurse or any other qualified profession?

No disrespect intended at all - flying is about opportunities and experiences. Yes it's a job, and not brilliantly paid - but I've made a career out of coming to work and having a good time!

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Better at school

Man flex i like your comments

I too work for the airline with the female flight deck member concerned .

All I can say is cabin crew are chosen for their personalities and people skills.

If the delightful Miss P was recruited for these qualities she would have never got the job!
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Old 19th Oct 2003, 04:22
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Smile Professional Cabin Staff

As one of the self loading freight, I recently loaded myself on a Virgin Atlantic 747 for a trip across the pond. Although I am still an MCP who may use the term 'Trolley Dolly' it is not in malice.

There were mixed sex cabin crews on board, and yes they are a professional bunch. Having to put up with some of the passengers is something that took a considerable effort on my part, yet the CC were always pleasant, polite and very effective in what they did. Everything was done with a smile. They were very smart as well.

It is not possible to single out any particular person, as they all just worked as a team.

I have flown BA in the past, and never had any problems with their staff either.

So 'Trolley Dollies', of whichever airline you work for, please keep up your good work. Some of us out here really do appreciate your proffesionalism and good efforts.
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Firstly to answer the original question - For me it's a career. It's the way I've always wanted it.

Secondly - Calamity Jane - with an attitude like yours I wouldn't want to save you. We may look pretty but YOU don't know our background just by looking at us. We have FA's who were once lawyers, teachers, nurses, university lecturers, pilots, hotel managers, we even have one who after training for 4 years to become a Dr threw it all in and became a FA. Between the lot of us there is an enormous wealth of knowledge. Although inital training may only be 6 weeks, the training is on going. There are EP's every 6 mths where we don that pbe, use that fire extinguisher, evacuate aircraft, deal with a bomb threat etc etc. You are constantly learning on the job - there may be a medical emergency and you have never come across the particular symptoms before but another FA has, so you learn from them what to do & the next time it happens you are able to deal with that situation.
Hopefully I never have to encounter you or one of your relatives in an emergency - you'll be the one trying to take control and turning it all to $hit, and the one responsible for lives lost. For goodness sake let the FA's do their job and don't try and be the bloody hero.

I love my job. Yes it is thankless most of the time, (esp w/ pax who think they should be doing our job, like Jane!!) but i find it very rewarding. There is the odd occasion where you will find a parcel for you in the crew room and it's a box of chocs from a pax who you helped out - you were just doing your job but to them you went above and beyond.

I do this job because I love it. Not because I want praise everytime I go to work. And I'm going to keep doing it until my old bones won't let me do it anymore!!
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SydGirl - you are an amazing person - I couldn't have said it better myself. You are a true role model to many people like myself who want to become career flight attendants. It is obvious you have cherished every moment ( the good and the bad ) and learn't from them, growing each time to become even better at what you do. I hope that I can still have the same positive attitude and happy character you display when I reach my eleven years in the industry.

I am a career flight attendant and proud - the thought of doing something else makes me want to grab a bottle of absolut vodka. I work with people who have completed all sorts of degrees and I am an ex law student myself who couldn't possibly think about not hopping on my tiny little turboprop and taking to the skies for work each day. I have noticed a different opinion of the job from people in other countries - speaking on behalf of the aussies I think you will that a very high percentage of aussies are career flight attendants due to our good conditions here. I guess some of us would have a different opinion though if we were faced with employers who offer seasonal contracts on charter airlines etc.

Calamity Jane - your lack of trust for flight attendants reflects your lack of confidence in yourself as former flight attendant. You obviously doubted yourself and your knowledge and ability to act in the role and therefore you are tarring everyone else with the same brush as unsafe just because you were.


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.... whoa just one minute you defence dollies, that is to say QF Skywalker & Cart Tart ..... I'm entitled to my opinion ok. As for your comment "CT", I take exception to your wish not to have to deal with one of my relatives in an emergency. You sound like a real nice genuine type .... NOT .... especially in view that a member of my family is in a wheelchair ... lets just hope there aint too many of your type in the skies eh?

"QF" - As for my lack of confidence as former CC, absolute b cks .... listen luvvie, confidence is my middle name .... now away and feed your kangaroo

As for all this crap about ex-laywers, ex-brain surgeons etc etc blah, blah, who have chucked it all away to serve tea & scones ... SO WHAT ..... dosent mean jack s t. Lots of people train and pass exams at all levels and for all practises but it dosent mean that they will be good at their job.

My opinion at the end of the day, of which I'm entitled to and which I'll stick to, thanks all the same.
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Just CHARMING....NOT!!

calamityjane,

Yes, you are entitled to your opinion, but so are we.......

Perhaps next time, you would like to do that in a more pleasant manner - I can clearly see why you flew charter and aren't flying anymore!!

I am currently a f/a (and most recently was a teacher for many years-and a damn good one at that) and have chosen a career change so as to increase my chances of promotion within a big company (training, management etc) among other things. Just as in every type of employment, there are good and, not-so-good employees. I know here in Australia, we are (for now anyway) paid quite well, it is quite difficult to get into the job here and yes, many GOOD teachers, nurses, police choose to slide across (and this applies to salaries as well) and try something new.

If confidence is your middle name, then there is no need to use that so-called "confidence"in that "charming" way you just have.

Please tell us all what you are now doing, you intelligent, witty, opinionated individual as it must be fantastic......

I really don't think that any of us would wish you to be CC by the sound of you - glad you chose not to be.

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calamity jane sounds a little bitter.
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Well i will be joining you QF SKYWALKER for the bottle of vodka if, i lost my job as a F/A, i love my job and i have to pinch myself sometimes, to realise how lucky i am to be here...

For as long as i can remember it was all i ever wanted to do. In year 10, for work experience, i did a week at Ansett, and that confirmed to me that being a "air hostess" was my ambition.

I turned 21, in ground school, my first trip was up to LA, I was in heaven, then at 23 i was flying domestic, i always had more $$$$$ than all my friends, i generally seemed to have a different life style, and i soon found that a lot of my new found friends were fellow crew members!

Just recently i was devastated, when a QF friend of mine admitted to cutting off the "gold" buttons on her old uniform and handing them over to ST VINNIES. I couldn't believe that she didn't keep one outfit just to hang onto for memories.... Mine is proudly hanging up in my wardrobe, so when my daughter grows up i can show her what i wore "back then"
I wouldn't do anything else, it's a fantastic job, sure i have my bad days , but the good days seem to out way the bad...

My advice to the ones out there who hate the job, and they are bitter and twisted "leave, get out", so someone who really wants to be there can...
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"If I were forced to choose between being locked in a small room with a Cabin Crew member or a Techie, I know which one I would choose instantly. I don't think I could handle 12 hours of Real Estate, Finances, personalised number plates, polo shirts and slip on shoes.. "

EXCELLENT statement BiscuitChucker lol!

Its about right, i just hate it when they talk down to You ,"oh what car do you drive"..."Oh, you didn't have a private education".... " Oh , i was just checking the weather in Aspen this morning, might take the wife & kids this weekend"......ZZZzzzzz yawn

Some of the guys are great, but some , jeez-talkabout sleep inducing. We've got loads of new hires at the mo, and i just wonder how some 22/23 yr old girl/guy puts up with this drivel on a 12 hr day

The funniest thing i saw was on a MIA n/stop about 12 yrs ago , when a capt (famous for being a *******e ) and who had the u/d girl in tears twice en route being vile, was seen at 'our' bar on the bay,downing bottles of beer.
None of us was going to talk to him, and after a few hrs he fell off his bar stool backwards
We followed him back to the hotel, and he tottered up the boardwalk getting close to the waters edge, (of course we should have warned him) then , our prayers were answered and SPLASH - he fell in-
There were plenty of locals on hand , who immediately dredged him out, certainly sobered him up.

Talkabout divine retribution - tho he was still a p-i-g on the return sector, but we put someone upstairs who had the gift of the gab, and said "i'm sure i saw you going for a swim last night captain , why didnt you use the pool?!"
I would LOVED to have seen his face , he was very quiet for the rest of the flight
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