Elrehab,
So sorry to hear! Just 4 days before finishing........ what an absolute BUMMER. Did they say why you weren't "cut out"? Good on you though for accepting your faults and not letting it get in the way of your dream. Thanks to everyone for sharing all their experiences, but I certainly have lost all hope with myself haha I'm just not hearing anything, I don't know what's going on and they certainly didn't follow up the email I received over a month ago (that I'd know the outcome of the application by mid December....) It's so dis-heartening. I hope they're more organised to work for! haha

Wft does one need to do to get an invite to an AD??? Got invited last year turned it down - sent a very nice e-mail explaining I would rather give my spot to another (due to yet another inconsiderate airline)now I can't even get a F#%*ing look in :mad:
Not worth my time or energy to even try again - obviously pissed somebody off so why bother with such a petty company!! Trying to get back into aviation is proving even harder than it was 12 years ago - :ugh: I'm done!! Think its time to find a new career? I think airlines need to stop treating potential employees like **** like tashopeful waiting 7 weeks for a no or elrehab 4 days before graduation getting told your not suited - we all deserve more than that, who do they think they are???? :mad:
Good luck everybody think this bird hashad its day & time to clip those wings - cannot deal with the BS!

I just think they know that they are always going to have an overwhelming response through job applications, and that it doesn't matter what they do..because ultimately it is their choice, and they hold the power.

If I could recommend anything to them, it would be communication because so many people out there just have no idea what is going on..and living in a sense of hope for so long..just to have it broken is disheartening.

Keep trying I guess..there are other airlines out there..albeit maybe not as good as Virgin..but everyone has to start somewhere.

Thank you but no thank you
 

Hay Shelbs

Got the same lettler today, do not know what they are looking for, I hope they do.
Next application I am going to pretened that I am absolute airhead that has no clue on anything. Maybe they like young airheads (no offense to the airheads out there) that can't even spell cabin crew member .
They obviously do not want intellegent experienced confident crew members.

It must just be Melbourne, seriously haha I mean Marly you have managed to get an answer from TWO applications, in the time that I am still waiting to hear back from my first. And by the way your airhead comment made me laugh!! :) It's what I really need right now, so thank you. But yet again am so sorry to hear :( You seem very genuine and motivated - You would be an asset

Hi,
I also got no thank you.:*
Marly I really like your comment regarding airheads. It is so true! I flew with Virgin on Monday and spoke to the crew and was quite shocked how immature some of the crew were.
Can somebody please tell me how long do I have to wait before I can try again?
Thanks

Applied last week and am wanting to know if they even send out unsuccessful emails anymore??? Haven't got anything email wise but logged into my profile is virgin site and says status: application unsuccessful. So that means I didn't make it through? Will they even email?

I have no idea what they are looking for. I think it depends what type of recruiter looks at applications and just being lucky. As people I know have no people skills or experience and have got the job like that. I didn't get it and have everything they are looking for. Maybe they have enough applicants for this round already.

Would appreciate an email though virgin, also stating when I can re apply. Got absolutely nothing.

G'day cobba!

You shouldn't live in hope for any job, there are no guarantees.
Move on, there is more than one airline in Australia.
As for airheads, every member of the Virgin cabin crew I've talked to has been able to maintain a normal adult conversation, so I doubt they're all airheads.

Yay!
 

I've just been emailed an assessment day invitation here in sydney (yay finally) and had to choose a time-slot that was allocated to me in my profile on their careers website. I chose the 11th, anybody else attending on this day? Also, i'm just wondering, for those that have been to one, are they able to give me a lowdown (descriptive please) about it.
Nervous VERY NERVOUS.

Thanks HEAPS !! The 7 weeks wait was worth it, even if i don't get in, being positive helps!

im sure i can provide some useful knowledge and i have had my feet a little in the industry. Im not saying all airlines are the same, but im told that virgin and jetstar spoon feed their people hence the airheads present. now this certain airline i just recently was dismissed from a few days before graduation, runs training 'boot camp' style..its a budget airline, take a guess what it is.....from what the trainer told me, whatever age you may be, if you are not 'academically' smart you wont make it and they dont provide help to you, they want to weed you out...its more like handing you a manual of the airline operations and telling you to go figure it out, no practical experience. this airline is on my ban list because its crappola.

as i mentioned before i was on a months on end wait list...these people dont care, you need to abide by their rules. they can be unfair to you, but they wont allow you to make any mistakes. i think the spoon feed comment they made about virgin is taking things too far, im sure virgin treat their training crew in a much more humane way than i was treated..i was made to sign documents when im there bawling my eyes out, no offer of providing tissues to me was made, they threw cheap shots at me, they used other training crew to get information about me...the airline industry is cut throat, if you dont meet to their standards, they will cut you off before you even know it..its nasty. and its funny that they are all about safety, but hiring kids fresh out of school does nothing to enhance safety..

the reason i was dismissed is because i apparently didnt grasp the information fast enough, i was expected to grasp the imformation after being only 1 day in their actual aircraft. this budget airline company can go to hell.

i wanted to send them a email of my unfair treatment however im scared because the lowest human being of a trainer has been in the airline industry for 30 years or so...if i do complain, she will pass word to every airline about me, so i just sit here shutting my mouth in anger at how brutal people can be

shelbs, your comments are spot on. There is no fairness in the airline industry. you are controlled. any attempt at fairness leads to dismissal. so im burnt by my experience, but a hell of a lot wiser. why do you think they have so many training groups. because say of a total of 40 in say two training groups, a small percentage will make it. in my situation, we started with 15 people and at the moment prior to exams, its now 6 (and thats before exams have taken place. !

I have a lot of experience in the industry.

Word of advise, join the FAAA (union) immediately on starting with any airline. In fact call the FAAA just before your commencement date and ask for an application form.

Its about $10 per week (tax deduction) and they are on the other end of the phone when anything happens (i.e. elrehab) and will negotiate on your behalf if you are accused of something as well as group negotiation of salary and benefits.

In Oz there are two divisions:

Long Haul International FAAA: Flight Attendants' Association of Australia

Short Haul / Domestic FAAA: FAAA Domestic - Flight Attendants Association of Australia Domestic Regional Division

thankyou very much somewhereat1l
i will say to people that when you are doing training, trust no one. absolutely no-one, even if you think you do. keep people at a distance, there are a lot of nasty people out there who will tell on you..kinda like primary school when someone dobbed on you. people will tell on you for many things, for example if you don't like the trainer, if you don't like the way its taught. be careful. because i complained about the teaching methods and it got me fired because people decided to be teachers pet with the trainer, so spied on us all. if you think, how could people do this to you. it happens and its the way of the world. its funny that im not suitable, but i was dismissed from an airline that told us that its ok to flirt, exchange phone numbers with passengers. I'm absolutely shocked and cannot believe i put months on hold for this ****e airline.

It's the industry
 

elerhab

Do you think you had the right/knowledge to complain about the training methods? I think ANY AIRLINE trainer would take offence and use their power to get rid of someone who spoke out of line. Certainly don't agree with the flirting or exchanging of phone numbers with pax:= .Maybe this industry is not for you, believe me it can be very harsh at times and you need to watch your back ALL the time.

good luck for the future
GC1

i have been a teacher for nearly 8 years so i complained about the style of training to other training crew members....combined with stress, fatigue and other things, i was very edgy, and people say things under pressure. when all this happened, id been up at 3am in the morning, until 3 am the next day, and doing at least 15 hrs sleep monday-friday. the training was all completely theory based, which was an issue for me, because i learn in a practical way.

goldcoast 1 when you said to watch your back all the time, you are so right. i learnt the hard way unfortunately. the issue is im too nice, im very customer service orientated, i care about people too much. because im not bbitchy or loud like some of the people in my training group that the scum of a trainer loved, because they are like her.... that was a strike against me..they wanted loud people. it doesnt matter that in my past i have saved 3 people ...under pressure , i turn into a safety superhero. the reason was they saw im one of the quiet ones and on face value they just dont want that. under pressure the loud ones can be weak and the quiet ones can be strong. So they discriminated against me.

the only reason i write this , is so people can be aware, that its not all a bed of roses. start of training was all cute and nice. then the scum of a trainer ruined it for me..so i feel relieved and am going to move on from it with a sigh of relief and hopefully onto a better company

Wow......:(

The old saying is so correct

People can be nice to your face but can also stab you in the back

Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer :(

marly, very correct. a lot of backstabbing bbitchiness, and people who you think are your friends are not. out of the people there, only two at the end gave me dignity and respect, one person stood up for me and said yes, they wanted to be my friend no matter what. they treated me like a criminal like i killed someone, one of the trainers even said that "i will notice that the people i added on ffacebook are going to delete me'. everybody else would've shat on me, if given the chance. if you do training, just shut your mouth and dont focus on opening up to other people. A lot of people perceive being a flight attendant to be glamorous, cool, you get to meet pilots, blah, blah, . it was nice and shiny and cool when i first started, then reality hits. did i ever get taught to serve coffe, hell no. training will be a shock to the face to many people. you have to learn commands word perfect, and i mean WORD perfect or its a failure. You HAVE to know pilots commands WORD perfect. you have to know EVACUATION drills WORD PERFECT and everything else. its fine if you have a while to study , but after 3 weeks your brain is all over the place and combined with lack of sleep due to study, its more than the body can handle.

anyway i talk about one particular airline, but if any virgin people are out there, can you post how your training was like and what to expect?

thanks marley , you wrote that emirates is back in australia, i will check them out :)

elrehab - which airline did you start at? PM it to me if you don't want to say on the forum.

You should know that almost every one of the 6 airlines I have worked for require you to know word for word commands and/or drills or some kind. For 6 weeks you give your life to study, study and more study. Once you've passed and online things fall into place.

Flight Attendants are there for safety. Service comes second so don't expect to spend much time on service training at the majority of airlines.

I know some of you are annoyed right now, but seriously if it's something you really want to do you just have to keep trying. I don't know many people who got in on their first try. I can tell you I was stuffed around by Qantas for over a YEAR before they said 'no', got no further than the application stage the first time I applied for Virgin, and then eventually got in. About 3 years all up! Not saying it's "right" or "fair" but it is what it is, so either enjoy the ride or get off. As far as training is concerned not everyone gets through. It's hard! I have a degree, and found the sheer volume of information rammed down your throat really hard to take. But if you study your guts out you'll get there. As far as dealing with trainers you may not get along with, you need to deal with them the same way you would with a passenger on the aircraft... keep smiling and keep your true feelings to yourself! If you can't do that during training, maybe you'll have trouble on the aircraft... and trust me you'll have many days dealing with people who are just plain nasty to you. Sorry for the rant, but it just saddens me to see people getting so negative about the whole thing. If you really want it, and have the personality for it, you'll get there eventually :)

Shortfinal737
You have some valid points & I never meant to open the flood gates to the negative natter but it seems a few of us are just a bit annoyed!! But it is what it is & we cannot change the process and your right if we really want this then we must be willing to take the good with the bad! In my case I don't think virgin got my e-mail apologizing so I may be black listed for a no-show on the AD? Cause I have what it takes (have worked with 2 different company's) to be great in the role. Your correct with the training & trainers it's really tough & you got to suck it up & go with it. I do apologize to all for my negativity - I just really want to work as a cc again & thought I'd at least get a chance like many of us. Oh well I must stop & be grateful that I have had opportunities to experience life in the role and in this case it's just not my time to work for virgin & really not sure I'm going to try again?? But for all of the others - don't give up it is really a Great job - tough in the beginning as its all new & can be overwhelming but you get through it and then it will become a truly awesome job that you'll enjoy and love

I am going to try again, they will get the hint that I want to work for them if they keep seeing my application. Never know third time lucky. It's something that I want and I always get what I want because I make it happen, by sheer guts and determination. I will be flying for them.

Awesome attitude Marly
Guess in a way we make our own destiny & the best things are often those things we have had to fight to get!! In my case I think I need to wait until July cause that was 12mths since I first applied (reakon the email was not read til after the AD & I was put down as a no-show) think i will mention that when I next apply - just weird I did the on- line tests etc passed them both & as always do the right thing by pulling out as I was in the process with another airline and now I don't even get past the First round??? Boy have I pissed them off :rolleyes: lol. Oh well maybe next time 3rd times a charm :)
Time to let it go & see where I end up - may see you in ground school sometime this year hehe

shelbs i dont think u were black listed..remember its the airline business, you're just a number and they get thousands of applications.. and dont mention it when u apply, you would do yourself a bad favour. ! i have to wait till about june to apply with virgin as i made it through the final interview last time...though stuffed it up coz i didnt appear confident.

all in all from my year of getting into the airline industry, applied for emirates, got an invitation for an interview, missed it coz i didnt want to work overseas, then i started off with this airline i wont mention, . my training was put on hold for months. in the process i applied for virgin, made it to the final interview. not successful. the next thing i did was apply for jetstar, made it to group interviews, but not to the final. then the airlines who's name i wont mention contacted me for training school. started training school, And as a few days ago my, i was literally terminated from that...alll in all, a pretty s****y year, unfortunate year but hey, i've learnt a lot, been burned, been fatigued, cried, but i'll try to make a come back or maybe its not for me,,,,i guess i will have to see

Too true, and guys I don't think we should be worrying about ground school should we get the chance.... It is a little but of hard work for a long term gain of a great career. And so what if the trainers are harsh, you probably won't see them much after completion anyway. It's the people you will WORK with for the rest of your working life that should make all the difference :) It is no different to any other industry, what goes around will always come around. So as long as we are friendly, don't share TOO much and only talk to people's faces, we will be okay. It's just the general rule of people skills I think, which we use everywhere. Good luck to everyone, love the determination! :ok:

Hi Emma-Loo,

There is another AD on the 12th of Jan, so i would say next GS would be late Jan, early Feb?

resume and coverling letter
 

Is there anybody out there that is currently working for VA ?

I was wondering if someone could look over my resume and coverling letter and the answers that I am putting on the application, there must be something there that is stopping me getting past the application and not progressing?

It would be truly appriceiated as I really want to work for Virgin

:ok:

ATEL76....
 

Thanks ATEL76

I'm still hoping that I will have contact soon but still have not heard a peep from Virgin. They did tell me back in November at my assessment day that they would be holding another groundschool around January time. I thought my references would have been contacted at least by now though.

All I can now think of is that they are waiting till they have the hopefuls from the 12th Jan AD and then will contact all references for this next groundschool for Perth (20th/21st Dec and any November ones too?)

;)

Hey Marly
You could try a different approach? I have an idea that could work but nothing to lose! If you go on the Virgin career page it has expression of interest & it says you can apply for whatever position - what if you register there or if you look at the cabin crew section & the job description there is a tab called refer somebody or something like that - you could get a manager or somebody similar to fill the form in and recommend you?? I am hoping to get a job with Skywest on the ground but if that fails - this is the path I'm going to take. Not sure how helpful this info is....You sound like you so want this hense why last time I didn't attend the AD was to let somebody like you who really wanted it take my spot! I find it amusing now - I was good enough 6 months ago & now won't even get a look in!!! I really hope you get an invite next time around ;) fingers crossed for you ;)

Hi Emma-Loo
I have just graduated in the Nov 17 group... Apparently the new group is starting in a couple of weeks time... Which email address do you have for recruitment?
V.

Marly,

PER are currently looking for a huge number of staff.

It is a new base and is expanding very quickly...

Don't be worried... If you are suited to the role, you will become part of the group.

V.

Elrehab,

My DJ GS was 8 weeks.

I have read your comments and I know that you will not like mine.

You assume that your trainers are there to make your life miserable. They are. How else is the airline going to desensitise you to the pressures put onto you by guests? How about commands? Sweetheart, you will have to evacuate an aircraft in 90 seconds... Those commands have been proven to be the most effective.

Sleep... I'm sorry, but do you realise that CC are required to be fully attentive whenever on duty? Everytime you are on duty, you are an actress... If your trainers feel you can't stand the heat, you're out. Plain and simple.

Sorry to be so harsh, but if you understand the industry, you won't have any issues.

V.

Hi, don't know if anyone can help. Had my AD in december, was contacted before christmas to say i was successful with the interviews but had to complete some online assesment which was all done before christmas. Then I was asked if I could dtart on 30th Jan which was all good, just needed to give 3 weeks notice to employer which is today. As to now I have not had any further correspondance regarding medical reference checks etc, anyone know whats going on

citiboi83 8 weeks Ground school, is different to me having to learn a whole airline manual in 3 weeks. 8 weeks is bliss. theres a big difference between 8 weeks, verses what i had. fair enough about commands, but learning them in a day without any practical experience is a hard task.

as i'd like to say i dont know what other airlines ground school is like, but mine was all theory based , no practical experiences...only 3 hours to see inside of a plane and having to know it all.

Citiboi83

Thanks for the insight into Perth Base I hope they are recruiting really soon, I really want to work for them. Hopefully my next application will be the winner have totally pulled apart my resume and kept it simple and plain, (boy does it look boring) (no colour I mean) . Never know third time lucky.

I think I could handle ground school and the shifts when flying - already do horror shift now, late/early still kills, no matter how many times you do them. Don't let me start on night shift. But as you said in another reply you are an actress and you just have to suck it up on get on with the job no matter how tired you are. I work in a private hospital and they are also into making money, so our nursing care has to be different and hospitality comes into it a big way (not like public system). The big smiles and if there is anything I can get you let me know. And boy do they let you know (can you reach that glass of water over to me, my pillow is lumpy, these sheets are itchy and so on and so on.

I am look forward to a change and to do something different in customer service would be great and hay the added bonus of flying everwhere even better. :ok:

hey guys! i can understand its really frustrating to not get told but just hang in there and one day you will get your call =)

i went through the same thing and believe me it drove me crazy! i was constantly checking my emails every half hour, even one time i used my work phone to call my mobile to make sure it was working ok!

in the end i got my golden call and will be training with Qantas (MAM) in a few weeks! i tried all the major airlines.. jetstar (got to final interview), virgin (like many of youse, never heard a word from them), emirates (went to open day, didnt get call for an interview) and then Qantas.

Shelbs - it can be frustrating not hearing from them for AD, its just too bad you turned down the last one but im sure they're just overwhelmed with applications, i don't think they blacklisted you or anything. Remember getting to AD is great but once you get to AD there are about 60 applicants there and they cut it down to about 15-20.. getting to that is the hard part!

i never thought i was able to make it through.. im shorter than the minimum height, my complexion is not the clearest, and i don't think im the prettiest girl. but it was my attitude, personality and experience that got me through it. Just remember to keep your head up high and don't think about the negative thoughts.. keep trying and one day they'll see how determined you are and will contact you.. venting out on here wont do anything.

i see that there are a lot of perth people on here. try the new airline airaustralia.com they're desperately looking for cabin crew for perth base (immediate start as stated on their website) its not a major airline and doesnt fly to many destinations, but it'll get your foot in the door atleast... you gotta start somewhere!

good luck to everyone!

and just remember... if you do ever make it to AD.. don't ever say 'cos im a people person and i love to fly' when they ask you why you want to be CC haha

if anyone has any questions (about AD, final interviews, medicals etc) then feel free to ask me =)

Virgin Australia - Mel base
 

has anyone heard anything for Melbourne Base i applied ed of november? still nothing? anyone know when they will roughly contacting people? or how many training groups they will be doing for melb?