Emirates - Wannabes & Recruitment VII

[EJD]

Help!

Hey there everyone,

I was wondering if someone could help me.

I applied online to attend an Open day and registered. I received an email saying that they have my application and will be in touch if they are interested.

I then logged into my account again today and it says I have not applied for any jobs. Is this normal???

I went to register it again and all the info was blank???

Do I have to re- register?? I'm a bit confused?

Thanks in advance.

[elsbeth]

layovers

Wow, they are quite a lot! I think I would rather go to main fleet... I reckon is good I cant choose because I wouldnt be sure of whats the best option...
Thanks Mari, you are priceless in this forum!

[winend]

Text speak

[Text speak]

Read the first sticky thread at the top of the forum.

[Javmvd]

EJD:

Maybe the website is not functioning correcly. I would wait for an answer and/or tray again later.


elsbeth

Agree with you about Mari.

[pokes]

GC

Hi everyone! I got my Golden Call today. 11:53am GMT! To be frank, I don't remember what my coordinator said. All I remember is that I will be sent an email in a couple of days. Anyone with DOJ 19th July?

Mari, should I wait for the email or i can start with medicals as soon as possible? Thanks for all your answers. They are awesome!

[elsbeth]

Sorry I forgot to ask; how long are the layovers? I heard most of them are 24h or minimum rest even! Is it true? Do you have any 48 or more? And if you do, do you get them ocasionally or it would just be a miracle?
Thanksss sso much!

[Milena]

congrats!

Congratulations Pokes!!

[Milena]

layovers

Hi elsbeth, the layover duration depends on your flight hours. It is ilegal to send you for example on a 14 hours flight and not giving you a rest. So you can realize that if you are going to a far place you will get more hours to rest than going to a near place. There are exceptions also, and you are going to learn all at the college.

[MirlanB]

Hi Everybody!
I got like this message when I opened my account
"You will be contacted by your Recruitment coordinator at the earliest"
Does anybody know after how long they will contact?

[Javmvd]

@ MirlanB

MirlanB

It is just a matter of days. It depends on your availability to leave, and how busy they are.

Hope you get the call super soon!

Layovers: So exciting !!

[pokes]

Milena

Thanks Milena!

Anyone with DOJ 19th July? Do let me know!

[HiflierEK]

Can anyone tell me how they give you your final approval ? Is it a call, e-mail or through the portal ? Thanks

[blue____]

why ek?

Nightstops are indeed minimum rest, and you will be doing only A380, ie lhr man jed etc etc... on the plane, you are simply a slave, hat if a pax asks you to lick their feet, you have to do it... The company recruits constantly because they say they are expanding (and yes they do), but the real reason is that hundreds of crew are leaving every day because of the rediculous working conditions. No matter how high in sh.zayed your flat is and how glitzzy the life style, well nothing is free, you pay for it when you are onboard...

before you go I would advise you to check a few posts in the EK cabin crew forum, so you will be prepared for what is waiting for you...and have another thought...( read the post about the irish girl that got fired after giving birth in her crew hotel in JNB, or about the indian couple that got jailed because they exchanged sms that revealed intentions to commit sin and offend islam)

Please write your comments after your suppy, or after you do a BOM turnaround! can't wait!

you are bonded for the first 6 months so you cannot go unless you pay them.

[elsbeth]

Blue, you are clearly unhappy, so if you are still ek crew I recommend you to leave as people like you bring bad karma to the aircraft...
Im crew flying in the middle east and I know all the sides of the job, but you are clearly discouraging the wannabies with your comments as everything you say is just negative.
I have never lick any feet and not planning to do it, as is not my duty.

[Mari]

why Emirates?

Blue from Great-Britain,

Living in Dubai and working for Emirates is quite shocking for some people. I think around 10% of new-joiners resign during the training and another 20% during the probation.

It's well-known that the turnover rate at Emirates is highest among Australians and British. However, lots of them work as a cabin crew for years and become purser, trainer, recruiter or cabin crew manager.

I hope you will find a much better job in your home country and you won't be treated like a slave in your new position and... Oh, I just read back your posts. Very interesting! So, you wrote in 2008 that you used to work for Emirates 5 years before (around 2002-3 then) and got fired after working 18 months for the company. And you were interested to re-join Emirates in 2008. So, what happened??? (You were quite concerned about your old file in your post. Why?) Did you expact better treatment due to your flying experience or your age??? Did you think that conditions got better since you left? Honestly, you should have known better... After all, you are 32 and a cabin crew for so many years. Working conditions are worsening every day world wild in the aviation industry.

I see you were interested in NetJets Europe, as well. Did you miss the news about the economy crisis and the conditions in private flying?

If you are with Emriates and you are not able to leave because you need this job, you MUST change your attitude. You are way too bitter and life is short.

[ThatRedHatGirl]

Blue, of course there will be unpleasant aspects of the job. There are bad points to every job. No matter where you work there will be bad days, a job is what you make it. If you come to work not being negative, do what you are required and have your fun on your time off then there is not much more you can do.

As for the girl who got fired, well it is a well known fact that if you live in an Islamic countryyou are not allowed to have a baby if you are unmarried, that was her choice so of course the consequences must follow. Ignorance of the rules is not an excuse so we should do our best to read about what is expected of us before we go.

I am so tired of people from Western countries complaining because they don't like the rules of other cultures. It's called respect and without getting into a huge debate (that is not my intention) we are not being forced to work for Emirates. As Mari says, some people are not suited to the job. We cannot know this until we try. Maybe you did not like it there but you cannot speak for everyone. By all means give your viewpoint but do not discourage others from trying it, it is a decision up to all of us.

I am planning to go to Dubai with an open mind and give it a chance by my own personal experience before I just write the place off as a 'third world country' like so many other people do. Maybe it is, but I'd like to know it for myself instead of just believing everything we read.

You can leave during probation, just be prepared to pay back some costs. I don't think that is so unreasonable considering the amount of money EK are spending on accommodation, training etc.

[blue____]

First of all, I did not get fired, I left as my wife got pregnant and at the time there was no maternity leave. After four years, my wife got her job back, so I was considering rejoining. But thank god I didnt as I got promoted to the company that i work for now.

What i say it may be negative but true. And I challenge anyone who has done the 504 or 001 to come and tell me if it is fun... I know the truth hurts...

come on guys! any pleasant experiences from the lhr 001, bom, or even worse dac? come on bring it on!

I would never encourage anyone to apply for them, unless I did not like them.

Anyway, i was just posting my opinion but since Mari very kindly has made me look ridiculous by laughing ironically when publishing my posts, i had to defend myself.

To all of you who go, good luck and see you back in europe soon

[dumor]

etihad, or emirates?

Hello!
Can anybody help me?
I currently got offer to work with Emirates, at the same time as with Etihad. I need to decide as soon as possible. Can anyone help me somehow regarding this?
It might not seem so important question for you, but it is significant decision, because it will determin the next few years of my life.

You can send me even pm.

Thank you in advance!

[blue____]

Choose EY... better salary, and you are not restricted to one aircraft type. You get to live quite far from the city centre, but the atmosphere is much better, accomodation larger and in general you spend more time downroute... if you want log on to skytrax and check passengers comments for both airlines... it may help you decide... just an idea! good luck...


TO MARI:

Sweetheart, although I never intended, I have read your posts and yourself, were looking for info on netjets in 2008, then amiri on 2009 and you failed to get the job... Why did you even bother, since you seem soooo happy in EK???

[Mari]

For the money!!!!!!! I was only interested in the Middle-East (and only one airline) but I like to know about other airlines as well. Yes, right now I'm happy with Emirates. I don't say that I wouldn't be happier with a bigger pay-rise but there's not much to do.

I know people from Etihad and my friend just spent a week with us here, in Dubai. She shared with me lots of gossips but I'm not going to write down everything, obviously.

I'm not sure if the money is better at Etihad but if people say so... I think the basic is 2500 dhs during propation and 3500 dhs afterwards. The hourly pay is 44 dhs if I remember well. The meal allowance is NOT paid in cash outstations - like at Emirates - but it comes with your salary. (The amount depends on the hours you spent abroad.) Upgrades are slow - as far as I've heard - if you don't have previous flying experience. Anyways, they are planning to change the upgrade-system or something... One of my friends is F and B manager (one of the first ones!), her salary has not gone up in the last 2 and a half years. There is no profit share as a bonus but there used to be 13th month salary. It was not given to cabin crew in 2009. (Bonus was paid to all other employees, I heard.) Cost-cutting kicked in at Etihad, as well.

There is no maternity leave at Etihad. At Emirates: unpaid maternity leave is from pregnancy until 5 month after childbirth.

Athmosphere at Etihad? I'm sure that some people are happy, some are not that happy. Those couple hundred people (I think 3-400, just rumours) who got fired - contracts were not extended - are not very pleased now... I don't think that this move creates a nice athmosphere.

Athmosphere at Emirates? Well, I'm happy but... What I see and hear: the most complaints from new-joiners: 1. Horrible accomodation - meaning: area, shared bathroom, bad flatmates, thin walls etc. 2. The job is dirty, passengers are very demanding, work is very tiring, too many call bells, seniors are strict etc. 3. It's hot, it's desert, it's dusty. The other stuff - handling sick days and other issues by management, delayed upgrades - is coming later. It could be shocking to live in a muslim country, as well. Actually, Abu Dhabi is said to be more conservative than Dubai.

About the accomodation at Etihad: they emptied and closed 8 crew buildings in the city already. Everyone has to move - sooner or later - to the new compaund right next to the airport. No idea how the new apartments are.

You can get discounted tickets at both companies. At Etihad, you get 10 id90s and you can give them to friends. At Emirates, you can have 10 wider eligibility id90s for relatives (cousins etc.), you can order them when there is promotion (3-4 times a year for some weeks). Those tickets are valid on Emirates for 3 months. At Emirates, you get 2 id50 and 2 id90 per year for the parents, brother/sister. It's unlimited id and flyzed tickets for husband and kids - only after 1 year of service.

Etihad has A320s, as well. Small, cute aircraft. Emirates only flies big aircrafts. There won't be any more A330s soon (well, let's say in 3-4 years), more A380s are arriving (more long-haul destinations!!!) and later (from 2014-16?) the new A350s are coming. The Airbus fleet will be bigger in the future than the Boeing fleet. Big aircraft: LOTS OF PASSENGERS, LOTS OF WORK.

Actually, I think the passenger profile is totally the same. Not much difference, honestly: very demanding people. My friend has just done a Chicago flight - crewing didn't even called her that her original flight was taken - because of a 12-hour-delay. She was out of her mind after the flight... On the top of everything: they had 14 hours rest in Chicago, in the Airport hotel. Easily could happen with Emirates, as well. Nowadays, it's considered totally normal that you get ONE off day after a SYD-AKL flight (it's a 6-day-trip and you arrive back to Dubai in the morning).

At Etihad CMs (Cabin Manager) and F and B managers fly a lot right now, there is not enough. One of my friends (FA) who works in pearl class complains all the time that she doesn't fly enough. (I love her rosters!!! She doesn't...) She usually fly 60-80 hours per month, nice layovers, 1-3 turnarounds. They have shorter European layovers as well, sometimes they do back to back Londons or Frankfurts etc. They have standby duties - 1-5 days usually - in the roster. (NOT like Emirates: every 7th month is Reserve at EK when you get a blank roster.) Rosters could change quite often.

At Emirates: everybody fly a lot. However, my flatmate had one single flight during her Reserve month. Generally, we fly 85-110 hours in a full (no leave, no sick) month.

Etihad doesn't have such a Cabin Crew Portal like Emirates, most of the stuff goes on paper. There is less crew, less employees, if you know the right people, you can have great rosters. I think they take Sick days more seriously than Emirates. If you have a no-show, you are marked absent and they remove your whole roster as a punishment.

According to my friend they are not hiring any more married people but maybe it's a rumour... However, you can get married any time. You can move out but you only get living-out allowance if you are married. (Like at Emirates.) You need to live in Abu Dhabi, living in Dubai is not allowed any more. If you are in company accomodation, no visitors are allowed after 1am. (Cabin crew - male and female - can stay over at each other's accomodation at Emirates, it's not allowed any more at Etihad.)

Consider where you want to live, as well. Some people love Abu Dhabi, some people don't. I think it's much more to do in Dubai but it's only my opinion. Emirates cabin crew get lots of discounts in Dubai (FACE card, crew24 card, Emirates ID) but I never heard that Etihad crew gets discounts in bars, restaurants and clubs in Abu Dhabi. (Maybe they have, I just don't know. Actually, lots of them don't know that they can use the crew24 card and receive discounts in many places in Dubai.)

- Etihad crew might correct some of the written above. Feel free to comment. -

Good luck with your decision!