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Journey Man 5th April 2019 08:55


VERY nice collegues in general
tomuchwork - great, detailed post that really adds to the thread.

I think it says quite a lot when the "pros" are generally what I would take as a given for any operation - but that might just be me!

Dan the weegie 13th April 2019 21:40

Worked there for almost 6 years, mostly it was a happy time. The hotels were pretty great the last couple of years save a few choice ones and they were starting to send long haul proceedings biz class (within reason). Everything else is pretty normal stuff, the working hours are pretty intense but then again they don’t hide it or lie at the interview and if it gets too much you can have a sensible discussion about it,

They provided me with some nice type ratings and second to none experience in exchange for my efforts I’m really grateful for the opportunity they gave me if they had offered me more money or some real vacation time I’d have been very happy to stay. The reality was I couldn’t really afford to stay.

The thing is, most people leave a job with an axe to grind and you only hear about the bad experiences or folks like Nibs who are just incredibly committed to it and don’t like the bad stuff being aired.

I miss the people a lot, the work isn’t much different. I get paid more and I booked my first 2 week foreign vacation for my family in nearly 7 years I could not have done this at Vista, It is not perfect but I most certainly don’t look back all angry at being mistreated, I had a ball.

Leo45 17th April 2019 17:44

I have an assessment with VistaJet coming up soon and would appreciate any information on what to expect (interview, tech quizz, simride).

bleeke 7th May 2019 10:36

Can I ask how many hours a typical Global captain would fly every month?

Setting 13th May 2019 03:52


Originally Posted by bleeke (Post 10465289)
Can I ask how many hours a typical Global captain would fly every month?

It did vary and would be impossible to say on monthly basis. In the old days you used to fly a comfortable 350-450 hours per year. These days it's more 500-600 per year, more close to 600 I've heard and if the management reach what they want it will increase even further. Duties were typical very long with pick up around 2 hours before the flight and 1 hr post flight duties plus transport. Add the time zone changes on top of that. Not a holiday.

tomuchwork 14th May 2019 21:50


Originally Posted by Humpmedumpme (Post 10470708)


Very true! But then it is advertised as a job.....and also depends on the hostie ��


Well, they are not getting better. Nice ladies when I started with them, many many years ago. It became worse over the time till I left. So no luck there either. Fully agree on flight times, minimum rest (on Global which is the worst, but as well other fleets). Not sure why someone with a Global rating would really go there(however I have friends which left as well and for some strange reason see the company in a better light - I always assume there must be something in their water to keep them happy ^^).

So or so - very careful consideration is required if thinking about joining. If you have no job it is obvious, go for it. But IF you have a job careful considerations must be applied. Do not go for the shiny office, chicks in high heels running around in Malta during training days or the shiny, but sometimes stinky silver jets. There is a very dark side behind all the silver lining. Enough said.

skysx33 30th June 2019 04:27

Hi all,

what about F/O sakary on GL fleet ?
what about upgrade to left hand seat ? It's based on seniority ? Experience ? How long it might take ?

Am considering leaving major airline Capt big aircraft for 17/13 contract

thks

Klimax 30th June 2019 08:50

Look at is as a stepping stone, if leaving an airline job, entering the corporate world. Get the type rating and corporate experience and some hours on type, and then leave when something better comes up. Just like in the airline world far from all of the business jet companies look at their employees as an asset, so no reason why you as that employee should treat them any differently. I left the airline world more than a decade ago and canīt see myself ever going back.

Setting 3rd July 2019 23:02


Originally Posted by skysx33 (Post 10505939)
Hi all,

what about F/O sakary on GL fleet ?
what about upgrade to left hand seat ? It's based on seniority ? Experience ? How long it might take ?

Am considering leaving major airline Capt big aircraft for 17/13 contract

thks

FO Salary Global 48000 EUR / Year. But you start with 45000 EUR / year until 6 months after you have passed your final line check = Office week + Type Rating + Base Training + Line training (depending on how lucky and good you are expect around 2-4 months) + Final Line check + 6 months @ 45 000 EUR. So in reality around a year before you will see the "big money"....

Upgrade was strictly seniority based for FOs. The trick is to not join as a First Officer at all. Join as a DEC if it becomes available again. Joining the Global fleet now will lock you in the FO seat for at least 5 years. VJ has an order of Global 7500 that might arrive next year but even if they forced all FOs over to the 7500 you would not reach a command position before the expansion finish. After the 7500 deliveries it won't be any more expansion, at least what is known for now. It means FOs will never reach a command position unless people leave, and historically it has been mainly FOs leaving so the waiting time would be long. Probably quicker command at Netjets at the moment....
Experience..... I think you needed 4500 hours total time to be considered for command.

Why would you leave a major airlines as a captain for Vistajet as a First Officer?

Daddy Fantastic 5th July 2019 09:41

I see VJ is hiring on all fleets again which leads one to assume they have lost a few pilots recently as well as some possible expansion going on. Something will have to give there as they will lose to many pilots I suspect which is not sustainable long term.

They dont even pay well, have rubbish 17 on 13 off schedules which is terrible for family life, have bullying management so there does not seem to be much incentive to go there.

Preacher_Av 11th December 2019 09:08

Guess the morning coffee wasn't strong enough. Aircraft overshot runway this morning in EGGP

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-50740693


https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/231312

Klimax 11th December 2019 12:01

Defo Vistajet. Both ATC callsign and paint scheme on photos, points to a Vistajet incident.

Jet Jockey A4 12th December 2019 00:33

Went off the side of a RET it seems... see photo of the taxiway in the other post I did on this incident.

Pilotkid 3rd January 2020 23:49

Good day guys, does anyone know of any operators looking for CL604 Type rated FO’s. Please let me know, I’m interested

cheers

Klimax 11th January 2020 14:49

Any updates on the Vistajet Liverpool incident with the aircraft of the runway. Is there a preliminary report out yet? thank you.

Daddy Fantastic 4th March 2020 10:29

They are probably trying to cover it up...

WanderingAround 4th March 2020 11:04

Rumors are the steering failed on landing.

Daddy Fantastic 4th March 2020 18:24

Has their scheduling changed by the way or do they still do 17 on and 13 off? I believe you also commute on your off days, is that correct?

Skyshare 4th March 2020 21:35

Negative .. you commute on day 1 and 17..... cheers

EatMyShorts! 5th March 2020 09:30

You do everything on your days OFF: several training events per year, commuting, Visa etc..


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