SCL-AKL feasible with any long-range business jets?
SCL-AKL is one of the most challenging routes in the world in terms of ETOPS needs. LATAM flies it non-stop on a most-direct routing with some very high ETOPS rating (>>180min). There is a longer non-stop routing staying a bit north that keeps you within range of IPC and PPT and probably can be just accomplished within ETOPS 180.
Questions: - Do any long-range business jets available for charter have >180min ETOPS? - Which business jets have the range to do this route west-bound non-stop with 6-8 people and luggage? - and_a_dog |
I believe Global Aviation in Hillsboro, Oregon, might have 2 Gulfstream Vs with either ETOPS-207 or -240 approval.
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A Falcon 8X should be able to do it, maybe also a 7X.
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The new Global 7500...
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Never been involved in biz jet ops but why would they need to comply with ETOPS ?
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Why not plan more north, by using a waypoint like 30W50.
That is 5760 Nm instead of 5230 NM directly. |
Originally Posted by Global Aviator
(Post 10861250)
The new Global 7500...
Current flight time is approx 14.5 hours at M0.85. It'll cost ya, though! |
Originally Posted by stilton
(Post 10861265)
Never been involved in biz jet ops but why would they need to comply with ETOPS ?
GC dist is approx 5220nm - staying within the ETOPS rings adds another 1000nm or so... |
A Falcon 8X should be able to do it, maybe also a 7X. |
...not to mention the engines. 180min comes as standard with 3, so less of a need....
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That's why I suggested to use a three engined Falcon, it avoids the etops requirement. Not sure if other rules come into play if flying so far from a suitable airport
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Thanks all. Hoping it won't become necessary for the situation I'm monitoring if LATAM resumes SCL-AKL in early 2021. (It would be *costly* as josephfeatherweight points out!) But, good to know it seems feasible with a reasonably available jet (Falcon), not just hypothetical. -aad
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And making an intermediate stop is no option? Tahiti is nice.
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They also can stop in Easter Island/Isla de pascua/Rapa Nui - I did this last year and we had a nice 5:30 trip as the first leg
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You can usually qualify for non-ETOPs EROPs with 2 engines out to 180 minutes, but 3 engines, 4 engines or 5 engines, if your cabin depressurises approaching your final ETP/CP and you're heading for a remote airport or Island destination, you're probably going to wish you had less engines.
As a Commercial Op, you'd plan for this scenario. Part 91, you just keep your fingers crossed. |
Originally Posted by Noeyedear
(Post 10862704)
Part 91, you just keep your fingers crossed.
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Originally Posted by josephfeatherweight
(Post 10862833)
You're not wrong! :uhoh:
Pretty sure ETOPS has no application to FAR Part 91, and only would apply to FAR Part 135 in excess of 180+ minutes. A little different than FAR Part 121. Good operating practices would dictate operational planing that would not expose you to either a EO or Decompression scenario regardless of regulatory oversight. |
Originally Posted by Spooky 2
(Post 10864496)
Good operating practices would dictate operational planing that would not expose you to either a EO or Decompression scenario regardless of regulatory oversight.
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