Edinburgh Airport (Biz and G/A)
What on earth is going on at the Edinburgh Airport ?
An airport that used to have three runways... now down to just one. A runway was recently closed and after a fence was put across it, and is now an overspill for customer parking. This is meant to be the Airport serving the capital city of Scotland and I would like to think attract business. Now to my main point all Business aircraft are required to re-position away from Edinburgh as overnight parking is not allowed. Most are going to Glasgow (lucky them with this extra revenue). Why would anyone want to come to Edinburgh where it seems businessmen with their own aircraft do not seem that welcome. Most of them can probably afford the extra expense of the re-positioning etc but what is Edinburgh Airport up to ? There is not a dedicated G/A area so obviously trying to drive Businessmen and G/A traffic away Helipixman. |
It's not a runway with a shopping centre.
It's a shopping centre with a runway. |
Oh forgot to mention about the plans for a Business park and housing etc between the terminals and Gogar roundabout ! Give the new home owners a couple of months after moving in and I guess they will be complaining about aircraft noise. Its not that great a shopping centre either last time I flew out of there I could'nt get a seat at the only restaurant unless I wanted some raw fish at another bar.
Helipixman |
Perhaps there's more revenue from commercial passengers spending in the shops and car parking. Sounds like they have run out of overnight parking space for anything other than based commercial airlines. Not unusual for fast growing airports.
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Agree its all about revenue from airline traffic, they drove out flying schools many years ago, now its the turn of GA. As to its rapid growth they regularly have problems with gate allocations in the mornings. With so many long haul flights arriving... 3 x United 1 x American, 1 x Delta, 1x Air Canada Rouge, 1 x Qatar (some mornings), 1 x Etihad and soon to be 1 x Emirates aircraft have in the past had to wait for an available gate. Who wants to travel for hours on long haul and then have to wait for a gate ? There are only so many at Edinburgh able to handle jets of the larger type. Its the ramp area that also needs expansion to cope.
Helipixman |
I would hope the FBO up there (Signature) is lobbying like crazy for a resolution, likewise with the BBGA, BACA, EBAA and other representatie bodies to directly communicate with EDI authorities and assess future resolutions/options for GA/Business Aviation. Suspect that probably isn't happening.
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Edinburgh eating Glasgow
Well, air passenger traffic wise at the airport anyway.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.gmf...64b0de08aa.png Here are some figures. sorry pprune doesn't allow decent formatting with reasonable effort, but if you paste it into word it might look OK. [Now fixed above with chart, it was NOT a REASONABLE amount of effort]. If memory serves me correctly Edin was even further behind earlier. Thousands of passengers per year. Year 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 Edinburgh 8,449 8,607 9,037 8,992 9,043 8,594 9,384 9,194 9,775 10,159 11,113 Glasgow 8,775 8,820 8,726 8,135 7,213 6,522 6,858 7,150 7,358 7,709 8,710 Or get it from the horses mouth. https://www.transport.gov.scot/publi...1171871341-11/ About 6 screens down. Also [1] 2017 Edin 13,432,485 Glw 9,902,239 I guess they don't have room for GA and that millions of Costa or Klosters bound Edinburgherers are more profitable. It's very annoying if you live further west and try to get a Furrin holiday grrrrrrrr! [1] http://www.thenational.scot/news/158...enger_numbers/ |
Edinburgh eating Glasgow for decades
More fun with Excel, getting v rusty.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.gmf...6a9df22fa8.png Year Edin Pass. Glw Pass. 1985 1,578,000 1986 1,651,000 1987 1,852,000 1988 2,080,000 1989 2,369,000 1990 2,495,000 1991 2,343,000 1992 2,539,000 1993 2,721,000 1994 3,001,000 1995 3,280,000 1996 3,810,000 1997 4,214,919 6,117,006 1998 4,588,507 6,566,927 1999 5,119,258 6,813,955 2000 5,519,372 6,965,500 2001 6,067,333 7,292,327 2002 6,930,649 7,803,627 2003 7,481,454 8,129,713 2004 8,017,547 8,575,039 2005 8,456,739 8,792,915 2006 8,611,345 8,848,755 2007 9,047,558 8,795,653 2008 9,006,702 8,178,891 2009 9,049,355 7,225,021 2010 8,596,715 6,548,865 2011 9,385,245 6,880,217 2012 9,195,061 7,157,859 2013 9,775,443 7,363,764 2014 10,160,004 7,715,988 2015 11,114,587 8,714,307 2016 12,348,425 9,327,193 2017 13,410,256 9,902,239 From - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edinbu...senger_Numbers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasgo...l_traffic_data |
Having been there last week, Its a mess for BizJets. The security was a fiasco and the jobsworths unbelievable.
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The runway that was 'recently' closed (had been closed by NOTAM for quite some time) was not a parallel runway and would not have increased capacity had it been re-instated. In fact, had it not been partially used for aircraft parking, the overnight issue would have reared its head sooner.
The person owning their own bizjet aircraft will likely not be bothered too much by having the crew do 2x 25min positioning - again, if you have to ask how much they cost to run, you can't afford it in the first place! For us - sure, a nuisance, but nothing worse than at so many other airports around the world... |
Originally Posted by Empty Cruise
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The runway that was 'recently' closed (had been closed by NOTAM for quite some time) was not a parallel runway and would not have increased capacity had it been re-instated. In fact, had it not been partially used for aircraft parking, the overnight issue would have reared its head sooner.
The person owning their own bizjet aircraft will likely not be bothered too much by having the crew do 2x 25min positioning - again, if you have to ask how much they cost to run, you can't afford it in the first place! For us - sure, a nuisance, but nothing worse than at so many other airports around the world... This always seems to follow the same rules, first its one or two airports and all of a sudden its quite a lot of em employing "measures"... thinking back to the introduction of airport slots, A-CDM, Eurocontrol flow control measures etcetc. |
........., if you have to ask how much they cost to run, you can't afford it in the first place! Running aircraft about empty is a waste of resources and as the public perceives it a huge negative of this industry, so calling for move of it is super dumb. Ga/Biz Av need fair and reasonable access to all airports...it's as simple as that. . |
Originally Posted by Empty Cruise
(Post 10245078)
The runway that was 'recently' closed (had been closed by NOTAM for quite some time) was not a parallel runway and would not have increased capacity had it been re-instated. In fact, had it not been partially used for aircraft parking, the overnight issue would have reared its head sooner.
The person owning their own bizjet aircraft will likely not be bothered too much by having the crew do 2x 25min positioning - again, if you have to ask how much they cost to run, you can't afford it in the first place! For us - sure, a nuisance, but nothing worse than at so many other airports around the world... |
Originally Posted by Empty Cruise
(Post 10245078)
The runway that was 'recently' closed (had been closed by NOTAM for quite some time) was not a parallel runway and would not have increased capacity had it been re-instated. In fact, had it not been partially used for aircraft parking, the overnight issue would have reared its head sooner.
The person owning their own bizjet aircraft will likely not be bothered too much by having the crew do 2x 25min positioning - again, if you have to ask how much they cost to run, you can't afford it in the first place! For us - sure, a nuisance, but nothing worse than at so many other airports around the world... To think that rich people don't inquire about the cost of anything or if they do then it means they aren't really rich is ridiculous. On a somewhat related not, I also am shocked at the treatment private aviation customers receive from security staff at an increasing number of UK airports. Idiotic rules, enforced to the letter, often in a less than friendly fashion and not a bit of common sense applied. |
I've had two lead pax over recent years vow never to return through EDI specifically down to the ridiculous security checks they have to go through.
On one occasion, when arriving at the FBO their bags were taken immediately to be screened as hold bags - even given baggage tags. When one pax needed an item from their bag prior to going airside this crated a huge drama with security because the bags were now 'quarantined'. This same occasion the lead pax had their (expensive) lighter confiscated before being allowed to pass through to airside. The FBO were obliged to provide boarding passes for each pax, which had to be checked by security... (do they still do this??). The other lead pax in question refused to come through EDI again because of the same farcical procedure to gain access to their own aircraft. All this takes place in the dedicated GA area of the airport - so it is not like you are mixing with any airline traffic. Both visits took place a few years ago now, I found it farcical they way the show is run there. I sympathise with Signature for having to put up with such BS from security while also getting it in the neck from very disgruntled pax. When we passed through as crew the very surly security 'official' pointed to a security camera in the corner and said that was directly linked to the DFT and everyone was being 'watched' hence the strict implementation of security :rolleyes: round and round we go....... :ugh: |
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