Edinburgh Airport (Biz and G/A)
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Edinburgh Airport (Biz and G/A)
What on earth is going on at the Edinburgh Airport ?
An airport that used to have three runways... now down to just one. A runway was recently closed and after a fence was put across it, and is now an overspill for customer parking. This is meant to be the Airport serving the capital city of Scotland and I would like to think attract business.
Now to my main point all Business aircraft are required to re-position away from Edinburgh as overnight parking is not allowed. Most are going to Glasgow (lucky them with this extra revenue). Why would anyone want to come to Edinburgh where it seems businessmen with their own aircraft do not seem that welcome. Most of them can probably afford the extra expense of the re-positioning etc but what is Edinburgh Airport up to ? There is not a dedicated G/A area so obviously trying to drive Businessmen and G/A traffic away
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An airport that used to have three runways... now down to just one. A runway was recently closed and after a fence was put across it, and is now an overspill for customer parking. This is meant to be the Airport serving the capital city of Scotland and I would like to think attract business.
Now to my main point all Business aircraft are required to re-position away from Edinburgh as overnight parking is not allowed. Most are going to Glasgow (lucky them with this extra revenue). Why would anyone want to come to Edinburgh where it seems businessmen with their own aircraft do not seem that welcome. Most of them can probably afford the extra expense of the re-positioning etc but what is Edinburgh Airport up to ? There is not a dedicated G/A area so obviously trying to drive Businessmen and G/A traffic away
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Oh forgot to mention about the plans for a Business park and housing etc between the terminals and Gogar roundabout ! Give the new home owners a couple of months after moving in and I guess they will be complaining about aircraft noise. Its not that great a shopping centre either last time I flew out of there I could'nt get a seat at the only restaurant unless I wanted some raw fish at another bar.
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Perhaps there's more revenue from commercial passengers spending in the shops and car parking. Sounds like they have run out of overnight parking space for anything other than based commercial airlines. Not unusual for fast growing airports.
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Agree its all about revenue from airline traffic, they drove out flying schools many years ago, now its the turn of GA. As to its rapid growth they regularly have problems with gate allocations in the mornings. With so many long haul flights arriving... 3 x United 1 x American, 1 x Delta, 1x Air Canada Rouge, 1 x Qatar (some mornings), 1 x Etihad and soon to be 1 x Emirates aircraft have in the past had to wait for an available gate. Who wants to travel for hours on long haul and then have to wait for a gate ? There are only so many at Edinburgh able to handle jets of the larger type. Its the ramp area that also needs expansion to cope.
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I would hope the FBO up there (Signature) is lobbying like crazy for a resolution, likewise with the BBGA, BACA, EBAA and other representatie bodies to directly communicate with EDI authorities and assess future resolutions/options for GA/Business Aviation. Suspect that probably isn't happening.
Edinburgh eating Glasgow
Well, air passenger traffic wise at the airport anyway.
Here are some figures. sorry pprune doesn't allow decent formatting with reasonable effort, but if you paste it into word it might look OK. [Now fixed above with chart, it was NOT a REASONABLE amount of effort].
If memory serves me correctly Edin was even further behind earlier.
Thousands of passengers per year.
Year 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015
Edinburgh 8,449 8,607 9,037 8,992 9,043 8,594 9,384 9,194 9,775 10,159 11,113
Glasgow 8,775 8,820 8,726 8,135 7,213 6,522 6,858 7,150 7,358 7,709 8,710
Or get it from the horses mouth.
https://www.transport.gov.scot/publi...1171871341-11/
About 6 screens down.
Also [1]
2017 Edin 13,432,485
Glw 9,902,239
I guess they don't have room for GA and that millions of Costa or Klosters bound Edinburgherers are more profitable.
It's very annoying if you live further west and try to get a Furrin holiday grrrrrrrr!
[1] http://www.thenational.scot/news/158...enger_numbers/
Here are some figures. sorry pprune doesn't allow decent formatting with reasonable effort, but if you paste it into word it might look OK. [Now fixed above with chart, it was NOT a REASONABLE amount of effort].
If memory serves me correctly Edin was even further behind earlier.
Thousands of passengers per year.
Year 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015
Edinburgh 8,449 8,607 9,037 8,992 9,043 8,594 9,384 9,194 9,775 10,159 11,113
Glasgow 8,775 8,820 8,726 8,135 7,213 6,522 6,858 7,150 7,358 7,709 8,710
Or get it from the horses mouth.
https://www.transport.gov.scot/publi...1171871341-11/
About 6 screens down.
Also [1]
2017 Edin 13,432,485
Glw 9,902,239
I guess they don't have room for GA and that millions of Costa or Klosters bound Edinburgherers are more profitable.
It's very annoying if you live further west and try to get a Furrin holiday grrrrrrrr!
[1] http://www.thenational.scot/news/158...enger_numbers/
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Edinburgh eating Glasgow for decades
More fun with Excel, getting v rusty.
Year Edin Pass. Glw Pass.
1985 1,578,000
1986 1,651,000
1987 1,852,000
1988 2,080,000
1989 2,369,000
1990 2,495,000
1991 2,343,000
1992 2,539,000
1993 2,721,000
1994 3,001,000
1995 3,280,000
1996 3,810,000
1997 4,214,919 6,117,006
1998 4,588,507 6,566,927
1999 5,119,258 6,813,955
2000 5,519,372 6,965,500
2001 6,067,333 7,292,327
2002 6,930,649 7,803,627
2003 7,481,454 8,129,713
2004 8,017,547 8,575,039
2005 8,456,739 8,792,915
2006 8,611,345 8,848,755
2007 9,047,558 8,795,653
2008 9,006,702 8,178,891
2009 9,049,355 7,225,021
2010 8,596,715 6,548,865
2011 9,385,245 6,880,217
2012 9,195,061 7,157,859
2013 9,775,443 7,363,764
2014 10,160,004 7,715,988
2015 11,114,587 8,714,307
2016 12,348,425 9,327,193
2017 13,410,256 9,902,239
From -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edinbu...senger_Numbers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasgo...l_traffic_data
Year Edin Pass. Glw Pass.
1985 1,578,000
1986 1,651,000
1987 1,852,000
1988 2,080,000
1989 2,369,000
1990 2,495,000
1991 2,343,000
1992 2,539,000
1993 2,721,000
1994 3,001,000
1995 3,280,000
1996 3,810,000
1997 4,214,919 6,117,006
1998 4,588,507 6,566,927
1999 5,119,258 6,813,955
2000 5,519,372 6,965,500
2001 6,067,333 7,292,327
2002 6,930,649 7,803,627
2003 7,481,454 8,129,713
2004 8,017,547 8,575,039
2005 8,456,739 8,792,915
2006 8,611,345 8,848,755
2007 9,047,558 8,795,653
2008 9,006,702 8,178,891
2009 9,049,355 7,225,021
2010 8,596,715 6,548,865
2011 9,385,245 6,880,217
2012 9,195,061 7,157,859
2013 9,775,443 7,363,764
2014 10,160,004 7,715,988
2015 11,114,587 8,714,307
2016 12,348,425 9,327,193
2017 13,410,256 9,902,239
From -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edinbu...senger_Numbers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasgo...l_traffic_data
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The runway that was 'recently' closed (had been closed by NOTAM for quite some time) was not a parallel runway and would not have increased capacity had it been re-instated. In fact, had it not been partially used for aircraft parking, the overnight issue would have reared its head sooner.
The person owning their own bizjet aircraft will likely not be bothered too much by having the crew do 2x 25min positioning - again, if you have to ask how much they cost to run, you can't afford it in the first place!
For us - sure, a nuisance, but nothing worse than at so many other airports around the world...
The person owning their own bizjet aircraft will likely not be bothered too much by having the crew do 2x 25min positioning - again, if you have to ask how much they cost to run, you can't afford it in the first place!
For us - sure, a nuisance, but nothing worse than at so many other airports around the world...
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The runway that was 'recently' closed (had been closed by NOTAM for quite some time) was not a parallel runway and would not have increased capacity had it been re-instated. In fact, had it not been partially used for aircraft parking, the overnight issue would have reared its head sooner.
The person owning their own bizjet aircraft will likely not be bothered too much by having the crew do 2x 25min positioning - again, if you have to ask how much they cost to run, you can't afford it in the first place!
For us - sure, a nuisance, but nothing worse than at so many other airports around the world...
The person owning their own bizjet aircraft will likely not be bothered too much by having the crew do 2x 25min positioning - again, if you have to ask how much they cost to run, you can't afford it in the first place!
For us - sure, a nuisance, but nothing worse than at so many other airports around the world...
This always seems to follow the same rules, first its one or two airports and all of a sudden its quite a lot of em employing "measures"... thinking back to the introduction of airport slots, A-CDM, Eurocontrol flow control measures etcetc.
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........., if you have to ask how much they cost to run, you can't afford it in the first place!
Running aircraft about empty is a waste of resources and as the public perceives it a huge negative of this industry, so calling for move of it is super dumb.
Ga/Biz Av need fair and reasonable access to all airports...it's as simple as that.
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The runway that was 'recently' closed (had been closed by NOTAM for quite some time) was not a parallel runway and would not have increased capacity had it been re-instated. In fact, had it not been partially used for aircraft parking, the overnight issue would have reared its head sooner.
The person owning their own bizjet aircraft will likely not be bothered too much by having the crew do 2x 25min positioning - again, if you have to ask how much they cost to run, you can't afford it in the first place!
For us - sure, a nuisance, but nothing worse than at so many other airports around the world...
The person owning their own bizjet aircraft will likely not be bothered too much by having the crew do 2x 25min positioning - again, if you have to ask how much they cost to run, you can't afford it in the first place!
For us - sure, a nuisance, but nothing worse than at so many other airports around the world...
The runway that was 'recently' closed (had been closed by NOTAM for quite some time) was not a parallel runway and would not have increased capacity had it been re-instated. In fact, had it not been partially used for aircraft parking, the overnight issue would have reared its head sooner.
The person owning their own bizjet aircraft will likely not be bothered too much by having the crew do 2x 25min positioning - again, if you have to ask how much they cost to run, you can't afford it in the first place!
For us - sure, a nuisance, but nothing worse than at so many other airports around the world...
The person owning their own bizjet aircraft will likely not be bothered too much by having the crew do 2x 25min positioning - again, if you have to ask how much they cost to run, you can't afford it in the first place!
For us - sure, a nuisance, but nothing worse than at so many other airports around the world...
To think that rich people don't inquire about the cost of anything or if they do then it means they aren't really rich is ridiculous.
On a somewhat related not, I also am shocked at the treatment private aviation customers receive from security staff at an increasing number of UK airports. Idiotic rules, enforced to the letter, often in a less than friendly fashion and not a bit of common sense applied.
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I've had two lead pax over recent years vow never to return through EDI specifically down to the ridiculous security checks they have to go through.
On one occasion, when arriving at the FBO their bags were taken immediately to be screened as hold bags - even given baggage tags. When one pax needed an item from their bag prior to going airside this crated a huge drama with security because the bags were now 'quarantined'. This same occasion the lead pax had their (expensive) lighter confiscated before being allowed to pass through to airside. The FBO were obliged to provide boarding passes for each pax, which had to be checked by security... (do they still do this??).
The other lead pax in question refused to come through EDI again because of the same farcical procedure to gain access to their own aircraft. All this takes place in the dedicated GA area of the airport - so it is not like you are mixing with any airline traffic.
Both visits took place a few years ago now, I found it farcical they way the show is run there. I sympathise with Signature for having to put up with such BS from security while also getting it in the neck from very disgruntled pax.
When we passed through as crew the very surly security 'official' pointed to a security camera in the corner and said that was directly linked to the DFT and everyone was being 'watched' hence the strict implementation of security
round and round we go.......
On one occasion, when arriving at the FBO their bags were taken immediately to be screened as hold bags - even given baggage tags. When one pax needed an item from their bag prior to going airside this crated a huge drama with security because the bags were now 'quarantined'. This same occasion the lead pax had their (expensive) lighter confiscated before being allowed to pass through to airside. The FBO were obliged to provide boarding passes for each pax, which had to be checked by security... (do they still do this??).
The other lead pax in question refused to come through EDI again because of the same farcical procedure to gain access to their own aircraft. All this takes place in the dedicated GA area of the airport - so it is not like you are mixing with any airline traffic.
Both visits took place a few years ago now, I found it farcical they way the show is run there. I sympathise with Signature for having to put up with such BS from security while also getting it in the neck from very disgruntled pax.
When we passed through as crew the very surly security 'official' pointed to a security camera in the corner and said that was directly linked to the DFT and everyone was being 'watched' hence the strict implementation of security
round and round we go.......