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Private jet crashed at Moscow Airport Vnukovo: 4 killed
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It had been reported that due to fog some 10 flights had been diverted to DME.
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Biz jet crash Moscow Oct 20 2014
RT News currently reporting 4 dead in bizjet crash Moscow - awaiting details
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"Rescuers can not begin to extinguish a private plane that crashed in "Vnukovo " . SOS signal from the ship, entered when the plane was still in the air . Pilots reported the fire engine and fuselage damage. After a few minutes the plane sat rigidly . Because of the impact he had buckled the chassis and it overturned. Almost immediately he was completely in flames . Rescuers cannot begin to extinguish the fire for fear of explosion of the fuel tanks. According to preliminary data, killing all four people on board."
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Crude Google translate,
Rescuers can not begin to extinguish a private plane that crashed in "Vnukovo". SOS signal from the ship, entered when the plane was still in the air. Pilots reported the fire engine and fuselage damage. After a few minutes the plane sat rigidly. Because of the impact he had buckled the chassis and it overturned. Almost immediately he was completely in flames. Rescuers can not begin to extinguish the fire for fear of explosion of the fuel tanks. According to preliminary data, killing all four people on board. |
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A private plane crashed on the night of Tuesday, October 21, at Moscow's Vnukovo. Killing three crew members and passengers aboard, reports "Interfax" referring to a source at the airport. Dassault Falcon 50 plane crashed during takeoff. It clarifies the RIA Novosti news agency, the plane flying from Vnukovo-3 in Paris. Cause of the crash, as a source told "Interfax", was a collision with a snowblower. Source Tass said that the crash occurred in heavy fog. At the same time Lifenews argues that the cause of the accident was a fire in one of the engines. None of the passengers and crew survived. Airport due to PE closed: on the runway are the wreckage, which was burnt down. Now working at the scene rescue services. Dassault Falcon 50 - reactive three-motor plane business class long range. He is able to take on board up to nine passengers. The plane was made of the French Dassault Aviation Corporation from 1976 to 2008. |
Collided with either a Snow Plow or Follow Me car on the RW during takeoff in fog.
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Initial reports are confusing but they say it's a Falcon 50 with 3 crew members and one passenger and they are all dead.
There was heavy fog and the airplane would have hit either a snowplow of a Follow Me car on takeoff. |
French News TV BFM TV says the CEO of Total petrol company may have been on board.
Apparently collided with snow removal vehicule on takeoff run. |
Some big cheese at Total Oil Co..
As always, tragic. !!! |
RT is saying that it was a Falcon 50, but showing a Falcon 900.
http://rt.com/news/197648-moscow-vnukovo-jet-crash/ It appears that they hit a snowplow on takeoff, managed to get airborne and then crashed while attempting to land. But then again, it is "appears", so take nothing as firm. |
I hope this wasn't a case of foreign language ATC vs. english-only proficient pilots. If LVP was enforced and controllers were talking to ground movement in a different language, SA could be greatly & negatively influenced. Crew might not even know what was/still is/will be on the runway!
Yes this shouldn't have happened, but i stand wishing that we all can one day just speak one language so that all can be understood. Until then, gear up techies! TCAS for ground movement too? If there was such a thing. |
official info from Vnukovo airport. use google translate
corp.vnukovo.ru/press/news/ob-aviatsionnom-proisshestvii-proizoshedshem-v-noch-s-20-na-21-oktyabrya-2014-goda/ |
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Took off from RW06 in a fog.
Hit the snow removal truck. The reason still unclear, there is no info at the moment, stop the speculations. |
It appears that the Falcon involved is 50EX F-GLSA operated by Unijet.
image - HostingPics.net - Hébergement d'images gratuit Aircraft Registration Photos - F-GLSA - JetPhotos.Net Aviation Photos |
Total boss dies in Moscow air crash
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29699733
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Sky just carried report that the snow plough driver drunk.....:ugh:
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French press are reporting that the plane hit a snowplough on the runway. The snowplough driver (who was drunk) survived.
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Do they have ground radar there?
“Some of the main theories being investigated at this time are a mistake by air traffic control and the actions of the snowplow driver. Bad weather conditions and the possibility of a mistake by the pilot will also be considered” |
A drunk Russian snowplough driver.......
Why are those of us who frequent this awful place not surprised? |
There are several companies that provide positional maps for powered ground equipment. They use GPS to show position on the airport and also show movement. The version I know also gives details of type of equipment, drivers name etc etc.
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Why are those of us who frequent this awful place not surprised? BTW, you should have been there 20+ years ago, back then it really was awful... |
How very convenient for the Russian authorities to have discovered so quickly that the snow plough driver was drunk!
Report concluded............some poor lamb has been thrown to slaughter to cover up the numerous deficiencies at that dump of an airpport! |
Information of MAK (in Russian):
Falcon 50EX F-GLSA 20.10.2014 FDR and CVR are already in their possession and currently read out. French investigators are on the way and will join the investigation. Fields of enquiry are (apart from the recorders): ground control and tower recordings, CCTV recordings, radar recordings, weather conditions, condition of aircraft (before and after crash), actions of airport staff, controllers, pilots. |
How very convenient for the Russian authorities to have discovered so quickly that the snow plough driver was drunk! Report concluded............some poor lamb has been thrown to slaughter to cover up the numerous deficiencies at that dump of an airport! |
BTW, you should have been there 20+ years ago, back then it really was awful... Too early to speculate, but knowing the place I wouldn't be surprised if the reason for this will be established as a failure of one single person. In Russia, it can never be an organization or larger group that takes responsibility for a failure of any kind. Bear that in mind and be careful out there. Winter and bad weather are coming. |
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@deefer dog:
Typical conspiracy theory ! It is a fact that test results for alcohol intoxication of survivors who played a role in an accident are quickly available. This intoxication may or may not be a causal factor. |
Testing the guy who cleared the plow driver out onto the runway would be another thing to do. As well as the testing those who employed and trained them all. Now THAT would be sobering for some who have never been there.
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:suspect:
Russian prosecutors claim the driver of the snowplow which crashed with Total CEO Christophe de Margerie’s jet was drunk. His lawyer, however, says he was completely sober, due to a heart condition preventing him from drinking. “My client is suffering from an acute heart condition; he does not drink at all and his relatives and friends can testify to that,” Aleksandr Karabanov, the lawyer, said. “He was sober at the time of the crash,” he also said, adding that a number of lawyers will be involved in Martynenkov’s defense. “We don’t want the blame for the accident to fall on an ordinary man,” he added. Karabanov also made clear that he will insist on an independent expertise to determine the presence of alcohol in his client's bloodstream. |
BBC quoting the Govt - sounds like a fair summary of the various factors they need to look at
Russia's emergencies ministry said in a statement the accident had involved a Falcon-50 plane shortly before midnight local time (20:00 GMT) on Monday. "Among the chief versions for what happened, investigators are looking at a mistake by the air traffic controllers and the actions of the driver of the snow plough. Apart from that, they will also check the versions of poor weather conditions and mistake by the crew," said Russia's Investigative Committee, a federal agency that answers to President Putin. "At the current time, it has already been established that the driver of the snow plough was drunk." Pictures from the scene show the driver looking shocked, but walking unaided and without any obvious serious injury. Reports say the visibility at airport was 350m (1,150ft |
I hope the French investigators will take a real good look at the bloodtest and it's results of this snowplough driver.
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Le Figaro:
EN DIRECT - Mort de Margerie : la France perd «un grand capitaine d'industrie» A "criminal negligence" in causing the accident The plane crash in which perished the head of French oil giant Total, Christophe de Margerie, the Vnokouvo Moscow airport is due to "criminal negligence" in the direction of the airport, said Tuesday the committee Russian investigation. "This is not a tragic set of circumstances, but criminal negligence of officials" failed to properly coordinate the work of their employees, the committee said, adding that some members of the management Vnukovo who might try to obstruct the investigation would soon be "suspended from duty." |
And the press just keep on giving (or grasping at straws).
Here RT, that well known yet hardly respected Russian broadcaster, says ... well look at the graphic at 3'52". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmkH3h-tbGk If I was the owner of this 900, I'd be making a beeline for my rolladeck and 'L' for lawyer ... |
Wow, they are really fast in drawing the conclusions. Crazy fingerpointing?
Did they fully analyze the tapes already in such a short time? |
Very unfortunate.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/..._looks_at_.jpg |
I hope the French investigators will take a real good look at the bloodtest and it's results of this snowplough driver |
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